[2005] SC Untwinked MF Tourney [by Hrus]

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This tournament has already ended. It was originally started by Hrus on Sep 7, 2005. The last post was made Oct 25, 2005.
(link to original thread on diabloii.net)

SC Untwinked MF Tourney - SIGNUP!

Untwinked MF Tourney (SC)

This tournament is for the players who want to start fresh (for example in 1.11 ladder), or are just starting fresh (welcome noobs or converted bnetters!), or want to have fun with filling the holes in the empty grail table again (like me).

BASIC IDEA: Start an untwinked character, and try to find as much set and uniques as you can in one month. The winner will be the player who will have the highest (grail count + bonus for his best five items). All entrants will donate 15 PGems as the signup donation. Winner will take all of them.
I am sure we can make the final answer for the favorite noob question: "Which character should I start with?"

RULES:
1. Allowed Versions: 1.10,1.11; allowed mods: RRM,1.10FE, you can use RWM mod, but you can't make/use any BNET runewords.

2. Untwinked SC (can be HC too, but HC chars are seriously disadvantaged). You can mule the items off to special stash, from which you can mule back on your char. Trading is not allowed. MP is not allowed.

3. Only 1 character.

4. No build restrictions, but you can't use a synergy bug (from items with charges) if you are playing 1.10.

5. You can run any area any difficulty anytime. Whatever player settings you like.

6. You can't use maphack and seed command to recover maps.

7. SCORES:
Base score will be the number of different set/uniques found with your character. The same as in the Grail thread, we have a great tools as Flavie and Medieval Mart to count them.
Bonus score will be counted for your best 5 items according to MFO lvl 85 scoresheet.

Example: You will have 225 (different) uniques/sets found at the end of the tournament, the rarest will be The Redeemer(19.5), Death'S Fathom (16.8), Windforce (9.3), another Windforce (9.3) and Eaglehorn (5.7). Your Final Score will be 285.6

8. START DATE 09-17-2005, END DATE 10-16-2005 (local times)

9. The signup PGEM donation should be sent in an atma-stash called forumname_umf until 09-30-2005 [edit] to my mail: hrus(at)hrus(dot)net. If you play RWM mod normally , you have to collect your gems with the tournament character, so the gems are not tainted by the mod.
If you don't have 15 PGems, you can start to play and collect them before the deadline. Any PGems are acceptable, I think you know how to use them if you win.

10. If the interest will be low, the tourney will not start.

I look forward to find out which build will be the most effective MF starter. Gogo, sign now!
 
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SCORESHEET:
Immortal King's Stone Crusher|1|
Dangoon's Teaching|1.3|
Laying of Hands|1.4|
Dark Adherent|1.6|
Natalya's Shadow|1.7|
Credendum|1.7|
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer|1.9|
Arioc's Needle|2.3|
Wizardspike|2.3|
Ondal's Almighty|2.3|
Bonehew|2.3|
M'avina's Embrace|2.3|
Shadow Killer|2.4|
Windhammer|2.5|
Ethereal Edge|2.5|
Hellslayer|2.6|
Viperfork|2.6|
Hellrack|2.6|
Gimmershred|2.8|
Demon Limb|2.8|
Jade Talon|3|
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator|3.1|
Lightsabre|3.1|
Naj's Light Plate|3.1|
Naj's Puzzler|3.1|
Trang-Oul's Girth|3.2|
Tal Rasha's Guardianship|3.2|
Baranar's Star|3.2|
Rune Master|3.2|
Djinn Slayer|3.2|
Flamebellow|3.3|
The Reaper's Toll|3.3|
Demon's Arch|3.3|
Taebaek's Glory|3.3|
Trang-Oul's Guise|3.3|
Aldur's Deception|3.3|
Bloodmoon|3.3|
Nord's Tenderizer|3.5|
Razor's Edge|3.6|
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge|3.8|
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian|3.8|
Ormus' Robes|3.9|
Sandstorm Trek|3.9|
Harlequin Crest|4.1|
Natalya's Mark|4.3|
Tomb Reaver|4.3|
Cranebeak|4.3|
Wraith Flight|4.3|
Widowmaker|4.3|
Lacerator|4.3|
Andariel's Visage|4.3|
Verdungo's Hearty Cord|4.3|
Immortal King's Soul Cage|4.3|
M'avina's True Sight|4.3|
Griswold's Valor|4.3|
Eschuta's Temper|4.6|
Messerschmidt's Reaver|4.6|
Frostwind|4.6|
Fleshripper|4.6|
Gut Siphon|4.6|
Thunderstroke|4.7|
The Gladiator's Bane|4.9|
Marrowwalk|5|
Stormshield|5|
Firelizard's Talons|5.2|
M'avina's Caster|5.2|
Medusa's Gaze|5.7|
Doombringer|5.7|
Warshrike|5.7|
Eaglehorn|5.7|
Leviathan|5.7|
Stone Crusher|5.8|
Arachnid Mesh|5.9|
Blackoak Shield|5.9|
Dracul's Grasp|5.9|
Stoneraven|6|
Steel Shade|6.6|
Nosferatu's Coil|6.6|
Spike Thorn|6.6|
Soul Drainer|6.6|
Blood Raven's Charge|6.7|
Horizon's Tornado|6.8|
Wolfhowl|7.3|
Arkaine's Valor|7.8|
Head Hunter's Glory|7.8|
Ondal's Wisdom|7.8|
Boneshade|7.9|
Demonhorn's Edge|7.9|
Steel Carapace|8.1|
Giant Skull|8.1|
Spirit Ward|8.1|
Alma Negra|9.1|
The Grandfather|9.3|
Death Cleaver|9.3|
Windforce|9.3|
Ghostflame|9.3|
Executioner's Justice|9.3|
Stormspire|9.3|
Gargoyle's Bite|9.3|
Steel Pillar|9.3|
Griswold's Honor|9.8|
Halaberd's Reign|10.4|
Boneflame|10.4|
Steelrend|10.7|
Griffon's Eye|10.7|
Shadow Dancer|10.7|
Crown of Ages|10.7|
Cerebus' Bite|11|
Griswold's Redemption|11.3|
Nightwing's Veil|11.4|
Veil of Steel|11.4|
Templar's Might|12|
Spirit Keeper|14.2|
Dragonscale|14.6|
Ravenlore|14.6|
Azurewrath|15.6|
Death's Fathom|16.8|
The Cranium Basher|18.6|
Earth Shifter|18.6|
Darkforce Spawn|19.3|
The Redeemer|19.5|
Heaven's Light|19.5|
Schaefer's Hammer|23.1|
Mang Song's Lesson|27.8|
Astreon's Iron Ward|27.8|
Death's Web|27.9|
Stormlash|34|
Tyrael's Might|96.4|
 
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Signup/score table
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Signup/score table
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
Me! Me!
Edit: Ahh screwed up the table. one sec. let me edit.
Signup/score table
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0


Sorry for the name Hijack Hrus, I was really searching and just couldn't think of anything original. Sounds fun, and reasonably intersting.
Nice idea. How come not any of the exceptional uniques or the TC3 items have any special scores? There must be plenty of exceptional uniques that are harder to find than Laying of Hands.

I won´t particpate, though. I do have enough perfect gems on my retired characters, but my grailing doesn´t allow for repeated killing of areas/bosses. That would put me at a serious disadvantage (no kidding!). I am better off just playing in other tournaments.


'No-repeat' MF-ing would be a nice tournament idea, though. Especially in HC. How much MF do I dare to put on at the various stages of the game? Stategies to accomplish so that the merc can deal the killing blow to act bosses. Can I do the Pit on players 7 wearing 400% MF without dying? Etc.
Well, I might as well sign up, but since I completely wiped all my D2 characters and stashes, I don't have the 15 perfect gems required. Actually, I have nothing, since I haven't started SP in 1.11 yet. I've been playing on bnet since the ladder reset and since I've now fought the ubers, it's time to get back to the SPF (and start anew). I'll try and get 15 pgems by the Sept. 17th deadline...that's 10 days away, so I should be able to.

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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Signup/score table
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Wow this sound like fun sign me up. 👍


I'm really confused about this part.
9. The signup PGEM donation should be sent in an atma-stash called forumname_umf until 09-30-2005 [edit] to my mail: hrus(at)hrus(dot)net. If you play RWM mod normally , you have to collect your gems with the tournament character, so the gems are not tainted by the mod.
If you don't have 15 PGems, you can start to play and collect them before the deadline. Any PGems are acceptable, I think you know how to use them if you win.
Are you saying that RWM is not allowed? :confused:
Butz said:
Are you saying that RWM is not allowed? :confused:
I believe he's saying that the RWM is allowed in the tourney but PGems tainted by the RWM are not allowed as the entry fee. You would have to farm a few PGems (or perhaps trade for some non RWM PGems) before the deadline.
jjscud said:
I believe he's saying that the RWM is allowed in the tourney but PGems tainted by the RWM are not allowed as the entry fee. You would have to farm a few PGems (or perhaps trade for some non RWM PGems) before the deadline.
Exactly! And as I said before, you can collect the PGems with the tournament characer and send them until the end of September (09-30-2005).
EDIT: Basically the RWM is not allowed, but if you have RWM already installed, you can play with it if you don't create any non-vanilla runewords. So the RWM users are not forced to uninstall the mod if they want to join this tourney.
EDIT: @jiansonz: I wanted to include some other items, including TC3 and jewelry, but I didn't find a way how to calculate the score. Some TC3 for example are rarer than Stormlash in lvl 85 areas, but are more common if you run the right targets in normal Act 1 (Coldcrow). The same with jewelry (NM Andy)
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0

I needed to find an excuse to make a softcore Skelymancer, I just love that build. I also need to find a way tog et some more items without getting bored to death. Since I love competition, this is the best way for both.

I will probably send my perfect gems by mail later this month, I'm sure I have 15, but I will probably try to get them from this guy.
DuesNox said:
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Hrus Astreon Hammerdin 0 0 0
Sedna SC-CoolTrix Blizzard 0 0 0
jjscud Stormlash Zealer 0 0 0
Edmond Dantes Miss-Blizz Blizzard 0 0 0
Butz JonnyGreenwood Conc/WW Barb 0 0 0
Duesnox Dionysus Fishymancer 0 0 0
Billybgame Unknown Javazon
I needed to find an excuse to make a softcore Skelymancer, I just love that build. I also need to find a way tog et some more items without getting bored to death. Since I love competition, this is the best way for both.

I will probably send my perfect gems by mail later this month, I'm sure I have 15, but I will probably try to get them from this guy.
I have a character I've yet to make on SP/Open/IP, that I'd like to do, so sign me up. I've also not played any of my prior Open/IP characters in 1.11 RWM yet, even though I've downloaded it. So, I'm sure I can scare up 15 perfect gems, in mere minutes.

Edit: Can someone please educate me on updating these tables properly, without screwing them up? Not only am I having problems aligning, but when I post, it changes it to italics. Thanks!
Billybgame said:
Edit: Can someone please educate me on updating these tables properly, without screwing them up? Not only am I having problems aligning, but when I post, it changes it to italics. Thanks!
You have to take the (Quote) tags away. The message should start with (code). Same in the end, take the (/Quote) away.
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0

Ok, here's another try.

Still, though, how do you know for sure that you've got your letters in alignment with the current table? The few times I've done this, I have to keep editing, to get it to line up.
This looks like fun, if I get my laptop back in time I will sign up too. Not sure what build, I don't want to make one I've made before, maybe I'll restart my bonemancer.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0

Looks like fun. I'm not decided yet what build I will use, probably a sorc or maybe something completely different (more likely).

Edit: an idea for the jewlery/TC3 items, would be like I was going to do with my gambling olympics idea.

You grade the score of the item against the ISKCrusher as if dropped by Baal in Hell setting. Use the appropriate drop chance from the difficulty setting the item dropped in. Score cards could be made for each of the 3 difficulties, and as the difficulty increases, so should the score for finding the item (especially TC3).

Edit 2: I think I have worked out a usable formula for this:

Easiest set item for Hell Baal to drop is IKSC (1:485 0% MF)

Hardest TC3 to find from Baal is Knell Stricker -

1:21453 @ Normal, 1: 27953 @ Nightmare, 1: 31940 @ Hell - 0% MF

Use the current formula to get the following score:

Hell = 65.85 points
Nightmare = 57.63 points
Normal = 44.23 points

Ok, now the thing to even things up. Multiply this score * .item level (ML).

Hell Baal = ML 99, so the score would be:

65.85 * 0.99 = 65.19 points

Normal Coldcrow = ML 7

44.23 * 0.07 = 3.09

It's a bit of work, but it's the best I could come up with for including these items. You can use this formula to include other items such as jewlery too.

I am willing to do up the score cards if you like & I can post them here & on my web page before the tourney starts. Let me know what you think.
In order to include things like jewelry or TC3 items, you could try a comparison based on their most frequently run targets (let's say normal coldcrow for tc3 and NM andy for jewelry, etc,) and make the base item value the most common item in that particular group (probably nagelring for the jewelry, no idea what the most common TC3 is.) This wouldn't give a perfect rarity comparison, but it would likely prevent people who find any TC3 in A1Norm from beating out the people who find a stormlash after farming hell meph/pindle.

Incorporating a modifier based on the found TC3/jewelry's ilvl could also work. A TC3 from hell pindle is much rarer than a TC3 from norm coldcrow.

Just ideas.
-Isch
Ischade said:
In order to include things like jewelry or TC3 items, you could try a comparison based on their most frequently run targets (let's say normal coldcrow for tc3 and NM andy for jewelry, etc,) and make the base item value the most common item in that particular group (probably nagelring for the jewelry, no idea what the most common TC3 is.) This wouldn't give a perfect rarity comparison, but it would likely prevent people who find any TC3 in A1Norm from beating out the people who find a stormlash after farming hell meph/pindle.

Incorporating a modifier based on the found TC3/jewelry's ilvl could also work. A TC3 from hell pindle is much rarer than a TC3 from norm coldcrow.

Just ideas.
-Isch
Have a look at my post above, and see what you think of that. very similair to your ideas!! :lol:
Basic idea for the scoresheet is "wherever you find the item doesn't matter, you have X points for it". Comparing rarity with ilvl is complicated IMHO.

I have tried to make it simplier: Get the odds for jewelry (for lvl 85 area boss), multiply by qlvl/100 and divide by odds for IKSC (for lvl 85 area boss).
It looks better, but still Wisp projector is around 26, SoJ 12, Mara's 12 - that is still more points than I have expected, that would give serious advantage to Meph runners and I want people to try to hunt some TC87 instead.
For TC3 this would give Torch of Iro around 5.9 and Hotspur for example 2.5
That's on the other hand little low.
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0

GOing to enter in a blizzard sorc, this will be my first attempt at one in SP. Should be fun.


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Billybgame said:
Still, though, how do you know for sure that you've got your letters in alignment with the current table? The few times I've done this, I have to keep editing, to get it to line up.
If I enter myself in the table, I copy another line (CTRL+C) to a place I want to be (CTRL+V). Then I hit INS key and rewrite the data. If I edit more lines, I just copy the whole table to a notepad, edit there and then copy back to code tags in reply window.
Billybgame said:
Still, though, how do you know for sure that you've got your letters in alignment with the current table? The few times I've done this, I have to keep editing, to get it to line up.
In the 'reply to topic' screen, you have the option of previewing your post before submitting it, that's what I usually do to make sure I didn't screw the table up before posting it :)

Hrus, the tournament sounds like a great idea, a shame I'll be starting my classes in two weeks and I won't be anywhere near a comp then, hope it turns out great
I'd prefer it if I didn't have to keep track of which area/boss dropped which item (unless it's something simple like looking at the ilvl, cos I can just find that from ATMA), that would be a nightmare. Just my 2 cents though.
Billybgame said:
Ok, here's another try.

Still, though, how do you know for sure that you've got your letters in alignment with the current table? The few times I've done this, I have to keep editing, to get it to line up.
I took this idea from someone else, but I cannot remember who, so I can't give any credit to him or her. Copy and paste the code into a notepad and it shows what it will look like when posted. Edited it, then copy and paste it back into your reply.
This sounds like fun. I'm ready to try a Hammerdin (like Hrus) so this will be a good opportunity.

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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
LoD is installed on this computer after all (my gf thought she had only got classic), so I'm in for sure.
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            ?                ?               0            0      0
Yeah.. allright :) Nice chance to revive that old sorcy huh?

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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            ?                ?               0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            ?                ?               0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0


going to revive my first mfer who was a meteorb. but sadly was lost in a pc crash *sniff*:hanky:
a major bumperei, and i'm in


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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            ?                ?               0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0
factory             ?                ?               0            0      0


i'm considering a zon and a sorc atm, but i'll figure it out asah


hrus, let me just note this, in my opinion the score system is biased a lot towards the five rarest elites, i think you/we should tone down the score from the best5 - so to speak (i don't know, maybe halving the scores from those should do the trick for example), to actually emphasise the grailing a bit more, don't you think?


don't wanna be picky here, you know, it's just my 2cs
factory said:
hrus, let me just note this, in my opinion the score system is biased a lot towards the five rarest elites, i think you/we should tone down the score from the best5 - so to speak (i don't know, maybe halving the scores from those should do the trick for example), to actually emphasise the grailing a bit more, don't you think?
I wanted other MF runners to have a chance against Meph runners, who can grail very fast. I do expect something like 300 grail items and 50 points from top 5 bonus from the better of us. I like it as it is.
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Edmond Dantes       Miss-Blizz       Blizzard        0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ?                ?               0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            ?                ?               0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0
factory             ?                ?               0            0      0
abarlament          Vone             Trapsin         0            0      0

I guess I'll join in, Started a new character today, untwinked, of course, since I gave away my stash before I went to college. Anyways, it's my first trapsin, around lvl 21 or so, hooray. Not very far, gotta get to NM meph to get some stuff!
abarlament said:
Anyways, it's my first trapsin, around lvl 21 or so, hooray. Not very far, gotta get to NM meph to get some stuff!
Yeah, me too, once the tournements starts on Saturday.
jjscud said:
Yeah, me too, once the tournements starts on Saturday.
LOL... Here's to reading comprehension... Count me out then! :)
@abarlament, FYI your stash is currently on my laptop which is away being repaired. I hope I get it back....

Edit: just realised I still have the e-mail from when it was e-mailed to me. So, definatly not lost, which is good.
abarlament said:
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Hrus Astreon Hammerdin 0 0 0
Sedna SC-CoolTrix Blizzard 0 0 0
jjscud Stormlash Zealer 0 0 0
Butz JonnyGreenwood Conc/WW Barb 0 0 0
Duesnox Dionysus Fishymancer 0 0 0
Billybgame JavvyLovesBilly Javazon 0 0 0
Tasdaz ? ? 0 0 0
Immortal_Slayer Shiverlia Blizzard 0 0 0
Quickdeath Carpenter Hammerdin 0 0 0
Humphrey ? ? 0 0 0
Sint Crutch FW/Orb Sorc 0 0 0
Corax ? Meteorb Sorc 0 0 0
factory ? ? 0 0 0
abarlament Vone Trapsin 0 0 0
I guess I'll join in, Started a new character today, untwinked, of course, since I gave away my stash before I went to college. Anyways, it's my first trapsin, around lvl 21 or so, hooray. Not very far, gotta get to NM meph to get some stuff!
I'm going to have to withdraw as well...some things have come up in RL and won't be playing so much for awhile.
abarlament said:
LOL... Here's to reading comprehension... Count me out then! :)
You pretty much can just start over right? .. I mean, 21 isn't that far and if you're really worried you can even keep the char :)
Sint Nikolaas said:
You pretty much can just start over right? .. I mean, 21 isn't that far and if you're really worried you can even keep the char :)
2 characters?! too extreme!!
Hrus said:
I wanted other MF runners to have a chance against Meph runners, who can grail very fast. I do expect something like 300 grail items and 50 points from top 5 bonus from the better of us. I like it as it is.
great, thnx for clarify that out, let's start this mess, would we?
Hrus said:
I wanted other MF runners to have a chance against Meph runners, who can grail very fast. I do expect something like 300 grail items and 50 points from top 5 bonus from the better of us. I like it as it is.
300 different grail items in one month? Starting with a Level 1 untwinked character? Wow, that seems very hard to do. Its going to take quite some time just getting through normal, nightmare and Hell while leveling up! And I think we'll all have had 20 green breastplates and 30 green rings drop before we have 300 different grail items! Given that most of us will skip a few days during the month for RL, I'm betting that the winning total will be closer to 200.

I do agree that anyone finding a Tyrael's Might deserves a huge point bonus. I don't think we'll see any Tyrael's or very many of the top 5. A Sander's Paragon cap probably deserves bonus points as well, though.
RULES UPDATE!
Start on saturday 17-09-2005, 00:00 your local time. (Or later.)
Signup of new players is possible until the end of month.
New sideways events:
Freekje's delight: Collect the most Cathan's ring.
TC3 Hunt: Collect the most different TC3 items.
The leetest items: Everyone chooses the best of his non-unique, non-set, non-rune, non-runeword item. The winner will be the player with an item I like at most.

Winner of each event will be rewarded with free item choose from my tournament stash (appart from grailers).

Update here in this thread as much as you can. Brag about your finds.

I didn't get any entry fees yet! Who will not send me the entry fee until the end of month will be disqualified.
Starting tomorrow! Have a nice month.

EDIT: And one more thing. Please estimate your playing time. We can say how much effort it really takes to get some wealth. "Month of playing" could be very different for those having too much free time than for us working people.
 
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Hrus said:
I didn't get any entry fees yet! Who will not send me the entry fee until the end of month will be disqualified.
I'll send you them as soon as I have them.
Of course you haven't received any participation fees yet. The tourny hasn't even started!
Hrus said:
RULES UPDATE!
Start on saturday 17-09-2005, 00:00 your local time. (Or later.)
Signup of new players is possible until the end of month.
New sideways events:
Freekje's delight: Collect the most Cathan's ring.
TC3 Hunt: Collect the most different TC3 items.
The leetest items: Everyone chooses the best of his non-unique, non-set, non-rune, non-runeword item. The winner will be the player with an item I like at most.

Winner of each event will be rewarded with free item choose from my tournament stash (appart from grailers).

Update here in this thread as much as you can. Brag about your finds.

I didn't get any entry fees yet! Who will not send me the entry fee until the end of month will be disqualified.
Starting tomorrow! Have a nice month.

EDIT: And one more thing. Please estimate your playing time. We can say how much effort it really takes to get some wealth. "Month of playing" could be very different for those having too much free time than for us working people.
I'll send mine along, as soon as the tourney starts, as well. My playing time varies, as I work swing shifts. But, given that, there are some days when sitting at the computer is all the energy I can muster! So, I get long playing sessions in, at times. Today for instance, I'd say 7 or 8 hours in, in my on midnights half comatose state. Of course, this is with my Single Skill Tourney HC character. So, that will impact my SC time, until she bites the dust. But, we'll fit Javvy in.
Billybgame said:
My playing time varies, as I work swing shifts. But, given that, there are some days when sitting at the computer is all the energy I can muster! So, I get long playing sessions in, at times. Today for instance, I'd say 7 or 8 hours in, in my on midnights half comatose state. Of course, this is with my Single Skill Tourney HC character. So, that will impact my SC time, until she bites the dust. But, we'll fit Javvy in.
I had an idea that each competitor will estimate his total time played with the tournament character, so we can compare - for example one char will get 125 grailers in 50 hours played while another will get 200 grailers in 50 hours played - we can compare our results better then. So I will just do some notes for myself how long will be each playing session long. (It hasn't to be super accurate...)
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            ?                ?               0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0
factory             ?                ?               0            0      0

Ok, decided to finally get around to making a Blizzsorc. Hopefully it'll go alright. It's Saturday here so I'll be starting her up when I get to work.

Good luck all! 👍

(Will send the entry fee from work to)
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            ?                ?               0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        0            0      0


looks like we'll have a overtune of what you call a blizzsorc i suppose, anyway i'm half an hour away to begin this odd quest, let's just... hey you... go!
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        0            0      0

An hour to go!
What, only one meteorb!? :D

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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        0            0      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         0            0      0

Still a few hours left for me :)
Hrus said:
I didn't get any entry fees yet! Who will not send me the entry fee until the end of month will be disqualified.
Starting tomorrow! Have a nice month.
Hrus, I emailed a stash with 15 pgems to you on Monday, using the email address at the beginning of the thread. Did you not receive it?
javcek said:
What, only one meteorb!?
I am never again leveling an untweaked sorc. It was boring enough with a tweaked one!
Quickdeath said:
Hrus, I emailed a stash with 15 pgems to you on Monday, using the email address at the beginning of the thread. Did you not receive it?
I didn't receive it. I've got receieved only stash from jjscud yesterday.
Hrus said:
I didn't get any entry fees yet! Who will not send me the entry fee until the end of month will be disqualified.
Starting tomorrow! Have a nice month.
Whoops I new I forgot to do something. I will send the 15 pgems ASAP.
Omg, I just looked at the end date, and realised that while the tourny is taking place, my eoy are too. Hence I decided to withdraw from this tourny.
Hrus - stash with gems sent, let me know if there are any problems.

Levelled ColdHeart to 14 now. No unique/set drops so far. About to take the Underground Passage and rescue Cain so I can id for free. So far no problems & the cold spells are proving quite powerful, though mana intensive.
im going to be a big sook and withdraw too.

while be out of state for half the tourney. GL
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factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
Sedna               SC-CoolTrix      Blizzard        0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
Corax               ?                Meteorb Sorc    0            0      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         0            0      0


taking an early lead, you never know, anyway Mace (Crushflange) down, clvl13 atm at Jail No. 2, just the perfect thang for the mess i'm in right now, ok.
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factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       0            0      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         0            0      0

Up to Act 2 Normal, with ColdHeart at level 22. Found 1 unique so far, a Nagelring (17%MF) from Andariel 👏

Removed Corax & SeDnA
I'll start this tomorrow.. too buisy today :)

I'll also have to send in my entry stash later on, probably at the end of next week... heh lazy.
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factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         0            0      0

Killed Normal Andariel, and made it to Lut Gholein. Found one item, an Infernal Cranium. I think this is a TC3. Hrus, will you post a list of the TC3s for us?
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Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        1            1      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       0            0      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         0            0      0

Found Pelta L, done up to Cain. I think I have the score thing right? All items are worth 1 except for the ones listed on the second post?
 
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Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        1            1      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         0            0      0
I found set quilted armor.

@Humphrey: YES

List of TC3:
weap3:Short Sword,Dagger,Hand Axe,Club,Scepter,Short Staff,Wand,Short Bow,Javelin,Throwing Knife,Katar,Eagle Orb
armo3:Quilted Armor,Leather Armor,Buckler,Sash,Leather Gloves,Boots,Cap
Ok. I'm new to this stuff. I just got Flavie emailed to me, but have yet to use it. I'm used to ATMA, but have never created a stash before. I just received a stash via email, for the first time this week, in a giveaway.

I see how to create a stash, in the pulldown menu, but once I create it....? I figured out I can just drag things from the stash, and vice versa. But, is this the only way? I know there has to be an easier way. Otherwise, making stashes of umpteen characters would be a nightmare.
Billybgame said:
I figured out I can just drag things from the stash, and vice versa. But, is this the only way?
I think Autogather takes everything off a character and puts it in a stash, but apart from that dragging things is the only way.
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Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        1            1      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         1            1      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

Found unique short sword. Ladia is now at the start of Lut Gholien, lvl 18.

PS: Hrus, I sent the pgems. LMK when you have them.
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Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      2            2      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         1            1      0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealer          0            0      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

Found Harus's Iron Stay. Act 2, just got cube.

Hrus, you will have to wait a bit for the gems. Not got any PGems (thought I had enough lower ones to cube up, but I've just cubed them all and flawless is the highest). Probably will have enough by the end of the month though.
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jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          3            3      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      2            2      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         1            1      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

After a slow start last night, I just picked up my third, Sander's Taboo, just before entering the Arcane Sanctuary. Also found Deathspade and Artic Binding.
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jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          3            3      0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        3            3      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      2            2      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         1            1      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

Gotten a bit further, am now up to the palace in Act 2. Found two more items so a total of three now. Total MF is now 101%, total play time around 8 hours (very rough guess).

A couple of nice finds a long the way, a ring with 3% Life Stolen/+14% MF & an amulet with 12% LR/+25% MF.

My falvie report for UMFO is here
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Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        3            3      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      2            2      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         2            2      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        1            1      0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         1            1      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

Got my Javazon rolling. Real good luck, so far, with minimal MF. Had none, as a matter of fact, when Bonebreaker dropped the Pelta Lunata in the Crypt. 27% just now, when a Blood Hawk dropped Cleglaws Claw in the Black Marsh. Onward, ho!
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jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          3            3      0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      2            2      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         2            2      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         1            1      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

Been a good day for progress. Diablo has just fallen & things still go smoothly for ColdHeart. I can see why this is a popular build. No problems at all so far. I'm using a prayer Merc which keeps my health up nicely. Currently level 34 and just starting Act 5. No great finds yet, but I have a Meph map with Durance 3 one teleport from the waypoint. Might run him a bit later. MF is now 115%. Hours, um about 12. I love these lazy Sundays with no kids!
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Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer      2            2      0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon         2            2      0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin       1            1      0
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       1            1      0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         1            1      0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW  Barb   0            0      0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     0            0      0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard        0            0      0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

Just killed Baal in normal. Ancients took about 10 seconds on P1, Baals' minions were a walk in the park & Baal only proved marginally painful on P8. Nice drop from him to. 3 Uniques and 1 set item to now bring my total of different items to 17. The noteable drop:

Skin of the Vipermagi
Serpentskin Armor
Defense: 279
Durability: 20 of 24
Required Strength: 43
Required Level: 29
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 60
Fingerprint: 0x42b7a47a
+120% Enhanced Defense
Magic Damage Reduced by 10
All Resistances +25
30% Faster Cast Rate
+1 to All Skill Levels

Will do some more Baal runs before moving onto Nightmare & Mephisto.
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

A long play period brought me into Duriel's embrace - the blue slug now lies dead and Carpenter is at the Kurast Docks. I saved my chipped topazs and went right for the Cube in A2, then cubed them up -my MF % is getting up there by socketing nothing below a Topaz in quality.

Found the following in A2 (nothing really exciting):
Arctic Binding
Stoutnail
Isenhart's Lightbrand
Isenhart's Horns
Civerb's Ward
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I slayed Baal on level 35. I think that my first regular target will be NM countess. I am not good at killing bosses. The only one grail item that I use is Vidala's Fetlock, 30% FRW is very nice. I used also Deathspade for some time, +4 man per level is good for low level hammerdin. I made a 3x Tir crystal sword later.
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0


Dionysus is level 37 and somewhere in act5, haven't played him in a few hours, so I don't remember. He is currently wearing 128 mf and has 172 mf with his mercenary. Going through the game has been easy, I am mostly worrying about my mf and am trying to bring it higher.
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Still in act 2, been running countess for eth runes. Got a etheth helm, and stealth now, mana regen is bearable now. Onwards!
Sure would love to know how Duesnox got 21 items at level 37. I'm just in an irritated mood, I guess. Got those two in early to mid act 1. Andariel drops nothing. That irritates me, anytime. Exit game. Restart. Andariel drops nothing. Onward into act 2, as my MF increases, along the way. Got up to 80% fairly early on. 103% from the Far Oasis through the Claw Viper Temple, clearing every single thing, and opening every chest. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Bupkus. Level 25, still with a total of two. Ridiculous. At the rate I'm going, by level 37, maybe I'll have 5. If I'm lucky. :rant:

This kind of bad luck Is getting me disillusioned. Especially in a tourney such as this. I'm thinking I'm going to kill Andariel as many times as it take to get the anger out of my system! Then maybe I'll get one or two. :mad:

Edit: Maybe even bigger, and more reason to be pissed, I've played the whole way on players 7.
Billybgame said:
Sure would love to know how Duesnox got 21 items at level 37. I'm just in an irritated mood, I guess. Got those two in early to mid act 1. Andariel drops nothing. That irritates me, anytime. Exit game. Restart. Andariel drops nothing. Onward into act 2, as my MF increases, along the way. Got up to 80% fairly early on. 103% from the Far Oasis through the Claw Viper Temple, clearing every single thing, and opening every chest. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Bupkus. Level 25, still with a total of two. Ridiculous. At the rate I'm going, by level 37, maybe I'll have 5. If I'm lucky. :rant:

This kind of bad luck Is getting me disillusioned. Especially in a tourney such as this. I'm thinking I'm going to kill Andariel as many times as it take to get the anger out of my system! Then maybe I'll get one or two. :mad:

Edit: Maybe even bigger, and more reason to be pissed, I've played the whole way on players 7.
Take heart, no one is finding lots of grail items in Act 1. Just keep leveling up and it will get easier.

I'm playing on players 7 as well. I found one grail item in Act 1, and 5 items in Act 2! And, right now, I'm finding even more in Act 3!
Billybgame said:
This kind of bad luck Is getting me disillusioned. Especially in a tourney such as this. I'm thinking I'm going to kill Andariel as many times as it take to get the anger out of my system! Then maybe I'll get one or two. :mad:
Think you are just unlucky. My Mf is about 50 or so, and the only runs I have done were about 6 countess ones, looking for runes. Killed Andy on 3 of those runs too. Got 9 items now. 2 of them were from one of the little rooms on the side before countess, in the same run. That was nice. And she only dropped two els, and dropped 3 runes most times. So that was good too. Can't remember what level he is, just got bone prison this level if you know what level that is (24?).
Humphrey said:
Think you are just unlucky. My Mf is about 50 or so, and the only runs I have done were about 6 countess ones, looking for runes. Killed Andy on 3 of those runs too. Got 9 items now. 2 of them were from one of the little rooms on the side before countess, in the same run. That was nice. And she only dropped two els, and dropped 3 runes most times. So that was good too. Can't remember what level he is, just got bone prison this level if you know what level that is (24?).
Wow. We're at about the same level, and you have 9, and I had 2? Crazy. Well, at least make it 3, now. Did my first anger run, and got a Berzerker's Helm in the side entry room to the Countess. Andariel=0 for 3

Back for another one. I'm running Andariel until she gives me one, or I die trying! Grr.
="Billybgame said:
Back for another one. I'm running Andariel until she gives me one, or I die trying! Grr.
Well good luck! I'm not doing any more runs til NM Andy I think. Maybe bloody foothills or baal if I need to level but I don't think so.
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Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer     21           21     0
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     0            0      0

Up to ACT 2 nightmare now, with Mephisto firmly in my sights.

My flavie list of finds is here. A couple of interesting screenshots along the way are here.
 
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Well, that's a little bit more like it. Andariel, on the 4th effort, dropped me the Arctic Binding. One half of a good MF pair, if I can find another part of the set. Started getting annoying again, though, as I cleared the Canyon of Magi completely, and got nothing. Nearly cleared Tal's tomb, and got nothing. But, Duriel himself gave me the best drop from him I can remember. 3 uniques. And, one of them........Chance Guards! Nice find, for this tourney, for sure. Kind of messes up finding the Arctic Mitts to pair with the belt, but, that may not happen for awhile, anyhow.

Also got Dirk's Diggler(tee-hee), and Steelgoad Voulge. Not great, but good to be up to 7, now.
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Just 7 finds and starting into act 5. I suspect that what's found before reaching final run targets won't be very important so I'm not too concerned. As for the actual gear, Sanders boots with 40 fwr and +100 AR, Sander's gloves with 20% ias are both nice. I also found a Crushflange. The actual damage from it is wimpy but the 33% CB is great against bosses, I couldn't believe how quick Meph fell. It's plenty useable as endgame gear if I don't find anything better.
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Well I've just finished Act 1 normal and I'm in Act 2. I've already found 1 set item and it was arctic binding. I'm still going to continue today and hopefully I will get to act 5 tonight or tomorrow at least.

@Hrus: I've sent the 15 pgems please let me know if you received them.
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      0            0     0

Just entered Act 4 normal. Only 2 Set Breast Plates so far! (and I've got an item I needed for my grail, unq light belt, snakecord. And is the table better like this, with all the units lined up?
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      0            0     0

Ladia is lvl 31 now, just starting act 5. Things are really going fast now that she has frozen orb. Most precious item so far: The Eye of Etlich (from diablo, no less! :D ). I'm hoping to finish normal later tonight.
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      0            0     0

Finished Act 3, I actually got one unique by gambling - a Raven Claw!
Quickdeath said:
Finished Act 3, I actually got one unique by gambling - a Raven Claw!
Noooo! Now I'll start trying to gamble magefists again! I had just managed to stop! You bad person!

(btw what level do I have to be to gamble magefists? or where can I find this out?)
Humphrey said:
Noooo! Now I'll start trying to gamble magefists again! I had just managed to stop! You bad person!

(btw what level do I have to be to gamble magefists? or where can I find this out?)
According to http://www.d2data.net, Magefist have qlvl 31, so you have to be at least lvl 27 to have a chance to get one, and lvl 36 to be sure. Personally, I would use the gold to gamble circlets, but that's just me :)
javcek said:
According to http://www.d2data.net, Magefist have qlvl 31, so you have to be at least lvl 27 to have a chance to get one, and lvl 36 to be sure. Personally, I would use the gold to gamble circlets, but that's just me :)
Cool, thanks. circlets are so much more expensive, and I've not got good gloves atm so I need to get some anyway. circlets are probably the better choice.
Things are turning around great for me, now! Hee hee, ha ha. The Chance Guards, and all my other MF gear had me at 144, with my merc making it 179.

Into Act 3: Getting a little frustrated again, not seeing anything. Out of a chest comes the Berserkers Helm, again. Shucks. But, at least it's something green, and a good sign that the MF is working. Into the Flayer Jungle, and the rare ;) Isenharts Case drops. I did need it though. Something tells me I'll see more of them. But, the best is yet to come, and not many monsters later. A unique ring drops! Could it be a Nagelring? Yes! With 21%. Woohoo! The MF is really on the right track now.

Just wanted to share my good luck with you. Back at it.
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Moved up a bit. I also found two doubles already, two Sanders boots and two Raven Claws. And those were one after the other, that was frustrating. Currently in Act 1 NM. I'm not a big fan of runing anything in Normal so I'll probably push to NM Meph as quick as I can, Hopefully I'll be up to lvl 45 or so by then. :D

As for the finds, the only one worth mentioning was a Tarnhelm. It had 43% MF, not perfect but I may still socket it with a PTopaz once I have one.
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Got too tired last night to post and update. Found three last night: the Nagelring, my own Ravenclaw and the aforementioned Isenharts Case. Did a quick run through Lower Kurast and Kurast Bazaar, before work. Found a Death's Touch today. Back for more tonight, and a meeting with Mephisto.
I've found nothing in all of act 4, which is odd. Going to kill Diablo next. He'll kill me lots, he always does. Is it worth level to 30 (I'm 29 1/2 now) to get bone spirit before I fight him? I'll probably level from the seal guardians actually.
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Got myself to Nightmare Meph on Monday (now Wednesday here). No Diablo yesterday and I re-rolled the map a few times this morning & got one a few steps walk, a Teleport and I'm at the entrance to Durance 3. Will do some serious running when I get the time. My MF is somewhere over the 200 mark due to Perfect and Flawless Topaz's in a 3 socket helm and 3 socket body armour.
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      0            0     0

Finished Act 3 (with a bad map) on P7. Had 6 more items drop -so far no duplicates. An Eye Of Etlich was one of the drops -that's one I'm unlikely to duplicate.

Notes: Seems like a lot of Raven Claws are dropping! Can anyone catch Tasdaz? I think I'm doing great -rapid progress, lots of drops, one gambled item -and I'm 29 items behind!
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Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      0            0     0

Finished act 4 normal (only one death to Diablo!). Got two useful uniques I was missing from my grail, spectral shard and Twitchthroe. Going to run bloody foothills and Eldritch until I stop getting at least a level per run or until I can do it easily on players 8.
Quickdeath said:
Notes: Seems like a lot of Raven Claws are dropping! Can anyone catch Tasdaz? I think I'm doing great -rapid progress, lots of drops, one gambled item -and I'm 29 items behind!
I hope not! :lol: I have an advantage at this stage anyway, because it started at local time, I am quite a few hours ahead of most because of the time difference. Game play over the next few days will be minimal too, so that should give you all a good chance to catch/overtake me.
Tasdaz said:
Game play over the next few days will be minimal too, so that should give you all a good chance to catch/overtake me.
I'll give it a good try! (don't think I'll win with a bonemancer, but it's all good fun).

The Bloody Foothills runs got boring quickly, I only did one and two thirds. They are much more fun in nightmare and hell. Got three levels though. I'll kill just Shenk and Eldritch til I get bored now, or til I stop getting lots of exp.
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Finished normal. NM Andy runs next. Not been getting too many duplicates which is good, and only 2 green breast plates!
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Started back up, where I left off, in the Kurast Bazaar. Found Berzerkers axe in one of the dungeons. Also got the Arctic Mitts, to group up with the belt, for MF! Nothing else, until I hit the Durance. But, the MF was rearing it's head in amazing fashion. I got 3 set items, all in one screen! Problem was, one was that darned Isenharts Case again. But, the other two I needed in the Angelic Sickle and Isenharts Horns.

But, that's where the MF party ended. :mad: Quickly found my way to Mephisto. And, what do I get, with players 7 on, with 174MF/209merc, for my first kill, that Blizz told us was a Super drop nowadays? Two rares, one ethereal, and a blue. Give me a freaking break. That always gets my blood boiling, and makes me run that boss until I feel avenged. It took me 5 ^&)(&%)*&^ runs to get anything! And, what do I get, finally? Another Isenharts Case. I might be staying up all night to do Meph runs, if one of his bosses in the side room hadn't dropped Iratha's Coil, that same run. You can bet your butt, I'll be back at him tomorrow, though, after those crappy drops.
 
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Astreon killed NM Duriel and then he did around 20 Andariel runs and got several grailers. I have found some nice gear including Milbrega's Scepter, Peasent Crown,Whitstan's Guard,Sigon's shield, white gothic plate with ilvl 45 and some nice amulets. This is all puzzle. I have to combine FRW/FCR/+skills/MF/resists/mana to be effective.

EDIT: I did find a Io rune and can make a Black runeword, but I guess smiting with this runeword on switch will not be more efficient than just hammering bosses?
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Did a few Mephisto runs & also killed Diablo to get a few levels and start to get ready for the step into Hell. Got my 2nd Skin of the Vipermagi off Diablo, but nothing else noteable from him. Found a goldwrap and a +4% & +5% MF small charms. MF is now around the 250 mark. My killing speed will slow in hell without better items, so back to Meph it is.

Taken a bit of an early lead here, but this will all even out soon as I am getting a lot of doubles, triples, etc. now. Getting the items in hell, and also finding good Top 5 items will be very important. In the mean time - catch me if you can!!!! :D

Having heaps of fun with the Blizzard sorc too 👍
Tasdaz said:
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Did a few Mephisto runs & also killed Diablo to get a few levels and start to get ready for the step into Hell. Got my 2nd Skin of the Vipermagi off Diablo, but nothing else noteable from him. Found a goldwrap and a +4% & +5% MF small charms. MF is now around the 250 mark. My killing speed will slow in hell without better items, so back to Meph it is.

Taken a bit of an early lead here, but this will all even out soon as I am getting a lot of doubles, triples, etc. now. Getting the items in hell, and also finding good Top 5 items will be very important. In the mean time - catch me if you can!!!! :D

Having heaps of fun with the Blizzard sorc too 👍
Yowza! 73. I guess that's a bit of a lead.

But, hey, what's your plan for Cold Immunes, or even worse, Cold/Fire Immunes, in Hell? I have an Open sorc that I finally got equipped with Full Tal's, and she struggles a bit vs those latter guys. TStorm doesn't do a heck of a lot, and the other lightning skills just don't seem on par with Fire and Cold skills at killing speed. I've wondered about this, when people talk about Sorc's being the MF queens.

I recall my Sorc's first journey into Hell, meeting a Devil Kin Boss who was Fire/Cold Immune. I can't remember his 3rd mod, but he was basically unkillable, and I ran for my life.
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Wow, nice lead. I still think that it'll be the long term running that will win it but that's still a nice lead. I'm currently sitting in Act 3 NM. The Zealot is not bad, its my first melee build and I'm starting to have a little trouble from not having a real powerful weapon, though even mediocre isn't too bad with might and Fanat auras. I think both for the purpose of this tourney and just to help my char get a bit better gear (my armor is from act 2 normal) I will be running NM meph for a few days.

Edit: RE: Blizz sorcs. Blizz sorc are spectacular for MF'ing, but the do suffer a bit when questing in Hell. Fire immune means nothing to a pure blizz build, only cold immune matters. Most of those can just be skipped. Standard practice for a Blizz sorc is to struggle past the CI's and remain pure, and then rock the MF targets. Meph is never CI, Pindle is rarely CI (I pack my merc with enough MF that when pindle is CI and my merc make the kill, its with about 900% MF so that doesn't really bother me) Ancient tunnels is a lvl 85 area that is often close to the waypoint and has no CI's.

So, yes, Blizz Sorc do have it a bit rough questing, even more so when untwinked, but the are still spectacular at MF'ing.
Billybgame said:
But, hey, what's your plan for Cold Immunes, or even worse, Cold/Fire Immunes, in Hell?
Skilled players know how to use teleport. Why kill them, if you can ignore them? The only tricky part for Blizzsorc is dodging/killing Frozenstein's pack when freeing Anya (to get portal to Pindle). I think Blizzsorc is the fastest MF char, the only reason, why I didn't choose one in this tourney, is that I already have one very good Blizzsorc MF character. And I wanted to build fast Pit/Baal runner.

EDIT: My blizz' merc is equipped with Tomb Reaver - added MF and damage against undead. 900 MF? isn't that overkill? My has around 750 with merc kill.
Hrus said:
EDIT: My blizz' merc is equipped with Tomb Reaver - added MF and damage against undead. 900 MF? isn't that overkill? My has around 750 with merc kill.
Perhaps, but after a while of pindle running I realized that my merc wasn't usually doing anything at all, pindle's pack would run at him and die in the process. The only one he ever faced was Pindle and one on one that wasn't a problem, so I tossed a Ptopaz Skulder's Ire and PTopaz SteelSkull on him, didn't slow him down any so why not. Overkill is fun.
Hm.. yeah I got to the outer cloister normal so far.. :D
jjscud said:
Wow, nice lead. I still think that it'll be the long term running that will win it but that's still a nice lead.
Yes it's a nice lead, looks good, but in reality it's not that big a deal. It's going to be down to who starts to get the good items in hell, and that is more luck than anything. I am enjoying the lead & the toruney & especially the killing speed of the chcracter, but most of all I'm having fun that that's what it's all about. The lead is just a bonus!

Hrus said:
Skilled players know how to use teleport. Why kill them, if you can ignore them?

Exactly. If it will take too long for the Merc to kill then run or teleport on by. Have faced a few cold immunes in Nightmare and an untwinked merc is definately no mean killing machine and takes a while to deal with the CI, hate to think what it's like in Hell.

My character is currently level 67. I have 7 skill points free and I'm not sure what to do here. Never having played a Blizz sorc before I'm in two minds. One is to go pure Blizzard and max the synergys, the other is to put extra points into Static Field for a better radius. I have maxed Ice Blast, Blizzard & Cold Mastery. Any thoughts? Finally, does FCR affect Blizzard casting times?

Sint Nikloaas said:
Hm.. yeah I got to the outer cloister normal so far..

I'm trembling in fear!! :D
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Uh-oh, Tasdaz is pwning us. What a pacesetter! I'll need to find a Tyrael's just to get close! I just finished killing Baal (normal) and added four more items to my list (I also got my first duplicate -a piece of Isenhart's Underwear). And I found my first exceptional item, Skystrike.
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Just took Javvy from the River of Flame WP through Diablo, on P7. Nice. Two green ones(one from Diablo's seal guardians, and one from a regular boss) enroute, and another one from Diablo. They were Cleglaws Tooth, Infernal Torch and Vidala's Fetlocks from Diablo himself. He also dropped the Bladebuckle belt, albeit ethereal.

Then did Mephisto, thinking, hmmmm might be nice to find the Vidala's ammy now. And, what does whatever his name, the council boss at the doorway drop? Amazingly, Vidala's Snare! And, Meph dropped Cathans' Battle Staff.

I've already got 3 duplicate set items.

So, do ethereal's count?
Billybgame said:
So, do ethereal's count?
Absolutely, at least they count in normal grail counts and MF tourneys and those seem to be the guidelines here.

I have also found an eth item that actually counts in my real eth grail (and this tourney).
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Decided to take her further tonight, and the MF was working great still, getting three more items, in the Frigid Highlands. But, as usual, these parts of act 5 don't seem to give me diddly. Even though your killing so many monsters quick, in those annoying sprites, or whatever the heck, I never get squat from them. Lots of cash, usually. All the way to the Arreat's Plateau WP, with no more finds. Ah, well, at least I pulled into second, for the time being.

Finds: Sigon's Visor, Dimoaks Hew bardiche, Greyform armor
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There were too many people above me, so I had to update. Got the outer closter WP (Nightmare), and just found a pair of frostburns. The 40% extra mana is great. Insight would be so much use with this character I tell you. NM Andy running next!
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Ladia is lvl 64 now, up to NM hellforge. I did a few Meph runs; nothing remarkable for her, but the merc got a Guillaume's and a TRHC. Current MF: 182% (4 PTopaz gothic plate, rare circlet with 17%, nagelring with 19%, and sigon's boots + belt + gloves for a 50% mf bonus). Now I need more PTopazes so I can make a three PTopaz mask...
Report if someone wants to check it out :D
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Astreon is level 58 running NM Meph, Lower Kurast chests and Andariel. I have 4socketed gothic plate, but only 3 Ptopazes, because of that I run LK. I have found nagelring (27%) and Rattlecage (gave it to my merc).

I have a strange habit when running bosses. I do runs even if I have full stash and inventory and when I find something, I store the item in cursor slot. Last time I did that, Andariel decided to give me three grailers at once - Kuko, Bonesnap and Hellcast - all three 2x4. It required some serious decisions what to save and what to sell.
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Things are starting to get a bit more competitive now! Did a few Mephisto runs today & got my score up a bit more. Best find was a Stealskull for my merc. Will hopefully do a few runs at work tomorrow and Saturday, as it has been quiet there & the boss is away!
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Wow, I thought this would move me up there a bit more. I guess its getting interesting now. I ran NM Meph a bit tonight and of course picked up some better gear, most notably Islestrike, decent speed, damage, and Crushing Blow, quite good for my Zealot.

Otherwise I'm happy with my progress, I've never moved though adifficulty level in less that a week and I should make two acts by the time this weeks out.
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these are one hell of a beautiful numbers, i'll tellya, uh, i'm goin' slooow atm, clvl 45 and just entered act3 NM. All this coupled qith some 14 grailers down, not much, but hey, these were all cruising incidents of chasing quests and speeding around. the main targets are still there, but with these numbers, hey guys...

p.s.: notable find; an eth string :lol:
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Did a Cow level run and started on Act 1 Nightmare. The tourney numbers are apparently exploding but I'll do the best I can. I found only 6 new items - but one was a Tancred's Hobnail - a grailer for me that completes the Classic Set Items on my overall grail.
 
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Made it to triple figures! About to take on the Ancients which could be fun if any spawn CI. NM Meph has been OK, but stingy so will probably move onto Baal for a bit to get some exp as well.
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Haven't really played much lately, been sick. But I thought I'd update before I'm in last. :)

I am currently in the jails in act1 nightmare, level 50.

Only noticable find was ethereal Torch of Iro, I'm not using it anymore, but it will help any new necros I decide to make.
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More competition for Tasdaz!

Cathans:3
TC3:3
cool item (though I will exclude myself from this event)
Fine Small Charm of Fortune
Keep in Inventory to Gain Bonus
Required Level: 21
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 49
Fingerprint: 0x60821304
+16 to Attack Rating
+3 to Maximum Damage
3% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Tasdaz said:
I'm trembling in fear!! :D
You better be.

I leveled to 35 on meph and to 38 trough act 4. Got my ''mf gear'' apart from ''fighting gear'' going and FW is now a steady monster masher at p8. :)
Sadly enough, I still have very limited time to play her..

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Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard         0            0     0
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       107          107    0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        101          101    0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb          81           81    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          28           28    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        28           28    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0 
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      1            1    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0

Oh my. Lots of mfing has been going on. I think I need to play some more. I've got Skin of the Vipermagi from normal Baal now, which I am very pleased about.
I put the scoresheet in alphabetical order for my own reference, so I thought I'd post it here too in case it is useful for others. This is still the correct one right?

SCORESHEET:
Arioc's Needle|2.3|
Arkaine's Valor|7.8|
Aldur's Deception|3.3|
Alma Negra|9.1|
Andariel's Visage|4.3|
Arachnid Mesh|5.9|
Astreon's Iron Ward|27.8|
Azurewrath|15.6|
Baranar's Star|3.2|
Blackoak Shield|5.9|
Bloodmoon|3.3|
Blood Raven's Charge|6.7|
Boneflame|10.4|
Bonehew|2.3|
Boneshade|7.9|
Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge|3.8|
Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian|3.8|
Cerebus' Bite|11|
Cranebeak|4.3|
Credendum|1.7|
Crown of Ages|10.7|
Dangoon's Teaching|1.3|
Dark Adherent|1.6|
Darkforce Spawn|19.3|
Demonhorn's Edge|7.9|
Demon's Arch|3.3|
Demon Limb|2.8|
Death Cleaver|9.3|
Death's Fathom|16.8|
Death's Web|27.9|
Djinn Slayer|3.2|
Doombringer|5.7|
Dracul's Grasp|5.9|
Dragonscale|14.6|
Eaglehorn|5.7|
Earth Shifter|18.6|
Eschuta's Temper|4.6|
Ethereal Edge|2.5|
Executioner's Justice|9.3|
Firelizard's Talons|5.2|
Flamebellow|3.3|
Fleshripper|4.6|
Frostwind|4.6|
Gargoyle's Bite|9.3|
Ghostflame|9.3|
Giant Skull|8.1|
Gimmershred|2.8|
Griffon's Eye|10.7|
Griswold's Honor|9.8|
Griswold's Redemption|11.3|
Griswold's Valor|4.3|
Gut Siphon|4.6|
Halaberd's Reign|10.4|
Harlequin Crest|4.1|
Head Hunter's Glory|7.8|
Heaven's Light|19.5|
Hellrack|2.6|
Hellslayer|2.6|
Horizon's Tornado|6.8|
Immortal King's Soul Cage|4.3|
Immortal King's Stone Crusher|1|
Jade Talon|3|
Lacerator|4.3|
Laying of Hands|1.4|
Leviathan|5.7|
Lightsabre|3.1|
Mang Song's Lesson|27.8|
Marrowwalk|5|
M'avina's Caster|5.2|
M'avina's Embrace|2.3|
M'avina's True Sight|4.3|
Medusa's Gaze|5.7|
Messerschmidt's Reaver|4.6|
Naj's Light Plate|3.1|
Naj's Puzzler|3.1|
Natalya's Mark|4.3|
Natalya's Shadow|1.7|
Nightwing's Veil|11.4|
Nord's Tenderizer|3.5|
Nosferatu's Coil|6.6|
Ondal's Almighty|2.3|
Ondal's Wisdom|7.8|
Ormus' Robes|3.9|
Ravenlore|14.6|
Razor's Edge|3.6|
Rune Master|3.2|
Sandstorm Trek|3.9|
Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer|1.9|
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator|3.1|
Schaefer's Hammer|23.1|
Shadow Dancer|10.7|
Shadow Killer|2.4|
Soul Drainer|6.6|
Spike Thorn|6.6|
Spirit Keeper|14.2|
Spirit Ward|8.1|
Steel Carapace|8.1|
Steel Pillar|9.3|
Steelrend|10.7|
Steel Shade|6.6|
Stone Crusher|5.8|
Stoneraven|6|
Stormlash|34|
Stormshield|5|
Stormspire|9.3|
Taebaek's Glory|3.3|
Tal Rasha's Guardianship|3.2|
Templar's Might|12|
The Cranium Basher|18.6|
The Gladiator's Bane|4.9|
The Grandfather|9.3|
The Reaper's Toll|3.3|
The Redeemer|19.5|
Thunderstroke|4.7|
Tomb Reaver|4.3|
Trang-Oul's Girth|3.2|
Trang-Oul's Guise|3.3|
Tyrael's Might|96.4|
Veil of Steel|11.4|
Verdungo's Hearty Cord|4.3|
Viperfork|2.6|
Warshrike|5.7|
Widowmaker|4.3|
Windforce|9.3|
Windhammer|2.5|
Wizardspike|2.3|
Wolfhowl|7.3|
Wraith Flight|4.3|
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       107          107    0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb          81           81    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          28           28    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        28           28    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0 
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      1            1    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0

Did a bit of levelling & Meph running at work. Killed Baal & tried my first hell run, oh those CI monsters. Cleared the Den of Evil for the extra skill point & will go back to Meph & Baal for a bit more and will then hit the Masoleum. Have been forgetting to include my Class Specific items, but it was zero anyway :eek:

Got a tummy bug yesterday & instead of paying Diablo, spent the night sleeping & being sick. :(
The Stone of Jordan
Ring
Required Level: 29
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 66
Fingerprint: 0x4b0c87ad
+20 to Mana
Adds 1-12 lightning damage
Increase Maximum Mana 25%
+1 to All Skill Levels

And i even didn't run Andy... It was from random monster in WSK.
Eh, Humphrey? What's the scoresheet all about? It doesn't appear to be a complete list of all of the items, for sure. I don't think you've played far enough yet to get the missing Trang Oul's items, for instance, so it's not what you need to get to complete your Grail.
Billybgame said:
Eh, Humphrey? What's the scoresheet all about? It doesn't appear to be a complete list of all of the items, for sure. I don't think you've played far enough yet to get the missing Trang Oul's items, for instance, so it's not what you need to get to complete your Grail.
See the 2nd post in this thread.
Humphrey said:
See the 2nd post in this thread.
Oh, ok. Gotcha. So far off for me, hadn't given it a thought yet.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       107          107    0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb          81           81    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        38           38    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          28           28    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0 
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      1            1    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0

I'm amazed at how well the rest of the field is doing. I've killed Andariel NM and found 10 non-duplicate items -my best day so far. But I've moved up to only 6th (for the moment) and I have 1/3 as many items as the leader!

I now have 2 Cathans and 2 TC3s. ( I think.) I have an Hsarus Iron Fist and an Infernal Cranium. Are they TC3s? Could someone please post the list of set and unique TC3s - and how many are there in total? The TC3 competition may be my only chance to win something.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       133.5        130    3.5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb          81           81    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        38           38    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          28           28    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0 
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      1            1    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0
I did reroll my nice Meph map by accident so I quested, leveled and did few pit runs. First elite unique is Nord's Tenderizer.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       133.5        130    3.5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb          81           81    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        38           38    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          28           28    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0 
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      6            6    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0
Well I haven't been able to play much but so far I'm in act 5 norm. I haven't found much stuff, but I did find a unique ammy in act 3 from a normal monster which I was surprise, and it happen to be Nokozan Relic which is a pretty decent item. None of the boss drop anything great really except maybe meph which was only one grailer though.
Quickdeath said:
Could someone please post the list of set and unique TC3s - and how many are there in total? The TC3 competition may be my only chance to win something.
Got Flavie? The report includes TCs of all the items.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       133.5        130    3.5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        38           38    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          28           28    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0 
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      6            6    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0

Ladia is lvl 76, just rescued Cain in Hell. Two elites so far: Demon limb (eth) and bloodmoon. Most valuable find: HoZ from nm Meph.
Current equipment:
Tal's Helm, Belt and Orb ( for the life, mana, resists, and mf)
Rare amulet with +1 to Sorceress Skill levels
Two rare rings
37% Chance guards
4 PTopaz gothic plate
visceratuant socketed with a perfect diamond
Rare boots with resists, frw and mf

Merc: TRHC, Crow Caw, Unique Bill

Cathan's rings: 2
TC3: 2
1337 ITAMZ :D
Actually, two candidates so far, both in the char at the moment:

Plague Grip
Ring
Required Level: 48
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 58
Fingerprint: 0xf08b8700
+87 to Attack Rating
Fire Resist +11%
Lightning Resist +11%
Cold Resist +17%
Poison Resist +11%
4% Life stolen per hit
2% Mana stolen per hit
Replenish Life +5

Raven Nails
Chain Boots
Defense: 13
Durability: 16 of 16
Required Strength: 30
Required Level: 29
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 59
Fingerprint: 0xb7fd3e50
+34% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +14%
Cold Resist +14%
24% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
30% Faster Run/Walk
14% Chance to cast Level 5 Nova when struck

Going to be running Countess and Mausoleum / Pits for a while, looking for a Lum for smoke and more grailers.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       133.5        130    3.5   0    0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        46           46    0     3    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          28           28    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      6            6    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

I've added columns for TC3s and Cathan Seals, if that's okay with everyone. Please enter your data for those whne you update.

Javcek was lying in the weeds! Nice MF-ing Javcek.

If anying else out there is in the tournament, it would help if you added yourself to the table -even if you haven't started. Let us at least know that there's someone else we're competing with.

As for me, I'm creeping along. Just finished A2 NM and have 8 new items. Biggest news was that I gambled my 2nd item of the tourney -Tancred's hobnails -a TC3 (No, Humphrey, I don't have Flavie, I would really appreciate a list of TC3s.)
Quickdeath said:
(No, Humphrey, I don't have Flavie, I would really appreciate a list of TC3s.)
Nor do I on this comp, that's why I didn't post one. I'm sure someone else does though.
SeDnA said:
Alreay found a mistake on that and I only looked at the TC3s... (Torch of Iro is listed as 'Iros Torch'.)
 
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Quickdeath said:
(No, Humphrey, I don't have Flavie, I would really appreciate a list of TC3s.)
Nor do I have Flavie. Well, I have it. I downloaded it, but it won't work. I get some error, when trying to create a report. Emailed Randall about it, but no reply.

So, I live without it.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       133.5        130    3.5   0    0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        46           46    0     3    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          35           35    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      6            6    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Quick update. Finished Normal. Got pretty good MF results. Getting far too many duplicates, though, for this early. 6 of them already, one unique. On the good side, I did get my first exceptional unique, a Kuko Shakaku in Tristram. A nice alternate, for now, for my lightning javazon.

I have a database with the 1.09 uniques, that has the TC 3's on it. But, not for set items. Are any set items TC 3's?
Billybgame said:
I have a database with the 1.09 uniques, that has the TC 3's on it. But, not for set items. Are any set items TC 3's?
There are a few TC3 set items. If you like, you can always view my Flavie report here (which actually prints out quite nicely, which is what I have on my desk for reference).
Billybgame said:
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       133.5        130    3.5   0    0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        46           46    0     3    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          35           35    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         14           14    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
A small update. I just finshed normal and I might play act 1 nm tomorrow if I have time. Also here is my flavie report http://www.freewebs.com/jonny-greenwood/UMF Flavie Report/UMF Flavie Report.html
TC3s

Here are the 23 TC3s, along with their drop odds (for Hell Baal, MF=0, P1)

Sets (8)
Hsarus' Iron Fist (1 in 6,594)
Arctic Furs (1 in 6,594)
Death's Guard (1 in 6,648)
Vidala's Ambush (1 in 6,648)
Tancred's Hobnails (1 in 6,648)
Death's Hand (1 in 6,648)
Infernal Cranium (1 in 9,420)
Sander's Paragon (1 in 21,979)

Uniques(15)
Pluckeye (1 in 10,578)
Rixot's Keen (1 in 10,578)
Felloak (1 in 10,578)
Gull (1 in 10,647)
The Gnasher (1 in 10,647)
Pelta Lunata (1 in 16,455)
Greyform (1 in 16,455)
Biggin's Bonnet (1 in 16,455)
Blinkbats Form (1 in 16,562)
Hotspur (1 in 16,562)
The Hand of Broc (1 in 16,562)
Lenymo (1 in 16,562)
Bane Ash (1 in 31,735)
Torch of Iro (1 in 31,838)
Knell Striker (1 in 31,940)
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       133.5        130    3.5   0    0
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        46           46    0     3    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          35           35    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0


quick update here, i'm about to draw some first blood down in hell, as i began to breath more liberally, struggleing to get where i am now, anyway clvl70 and 43 friggin' gems down, go!
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       179.5        176    3.5   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        46           46    0     3    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          35           35    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
I went back to NM to level Atreon, but I rolled a really nice Meph map, so I decided to run him until he gives me something valuable (praying fo Viperskin,HoZ,Suicide Branch,Trangs gloves,WarTravs)
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       179.5        176    3.5   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        54           54    0     4    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          35           35    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Slow and steady.... Just finished Act2, NM. Found a Tancred's Hobnail, a TC3, otherwise nothing very rare. I'm still questing, but with about 200MF. But I am pwning Immortal Slayer :lol:
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       179.5        176    3.5   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        54           54    0     4    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          44           44    0     2    1
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Thanks for Flavie links and the TC 3 lists, guys.

Well, speaking of Meph maps, I went back to Normal to do my Hellforge run(Tal), and ran Baal, Diablo, Mephisto, etc. Boy, I got a quick Mephisto map. So, ran that a bunch of times last night. Got quite a few set items I needed, including a couple of Sanders. Didn't move me up the rankings too far, but we're getting there.
Think I might drop out of this, not having much fun with the character.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       179.5        176    3.5   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        116          116    0     0    0
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        54           54    0     4    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

My Javazon is reaching MF glory. Getting lots of greens and golds, now. Found like 10-15 of them, from the Inner Cloister, through Radament in NM. A second Nagelring and a Kelpie Snare for my merc were some neat finds. For a bit there, starting with the Cathedral, chests were awesome. After clearing out the special unique(forget his name), and all the regular monsters, open a chest, and bang, a Kelpie Snare. In the Jail, opened two more, and got two more uniques, and another got me Hwanin's Justice. If it hadn't been for finding the Kelpie, my merc would be using that. Andariel dropped me the Nagelring and another lesser unique. Plus a boss pack in Andy's lair dropped a Hellcast. Lots of fun, and yet to die once!
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Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       179.5        176    3.5   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        140          140    0     3    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        54           54    0     4    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Not much Diablo 2 lately but progressed a little. Did a bit of hell questing and it's not easy. Killed the Countess earlier and got an Eth. Woo Hoo. :(

Gone back to some Nightmare Meph running and will try and get some better gear before venturing on. Will need to reduce my MF for questing gear to make any great progress in Hell.

Have found a total of 4 Skin of the Vipermagi so far. The last one was a perfect roll so that was nice. Other noteable find was 2 Hone Sundan. No elite items yet.

Notable item find:

Corruption Master
Ring
Required Level: 48
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 60
Fingerprint: 0xc405d021
+14 to Dexterity
+9 to Life
Fire Resist +21%
Lightning Resist +37%
Cold Resist +11%
Poison Resist +11%
15% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        140          140    0     3    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        54           54    0     4    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           51           51    0     0    0
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
After some NM Meph runs, I found Trang's gloves, made a Rhyme in +31resall pally shield and advanced to pit. I have to use no-MF gear (only around 50MF), because the archers pwn me hard. Astreon is lvl 77 only so I hope it will get better.
Found another elite in the pit - Trangs belt.
@Tasdaz: I have no damn Vipermagi. It's silly.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        140          140    0     3    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        54           54    0     4    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      32           32    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Well, things have gotten a bit nasty for my Zealot. Of course If I made an post and said I've got a lvl 59 Zealot in Hell with 10 unspent skill points and 80 unspent stat points and she's taking a beeting, I already know what the response would be. I did mostly leveling the past two days and looked a bit at my strategy and then spent al my skill and alot of my stat points (I've only a hunderd left now but I picked up a number of levels). He's now 74 and is stolling through the first few areas of Act 1 Hell with little concern.

Of course I knew a melee build would be rough in this touney but decided to do it just for fun. I did finally get another piece of help, I found the Fetid Sprinkler the 5% ctc Decrepify is useless because of the 15% ctc confuse, but that's a life saver, mobs are no longer a concern, they just stand around and wait for their beating. Hopefully a day or two more and I can pick it back up a bit.
Now, maybe the Gambler's tourney might be a better place to ask this, but this is where I was trying to gamble, and I figure there's enough experienced gamblers here to answer it. I am a newcomer to gambling, never having meddled with it much at all.

Am I doing something wrong, or is gambling this hard? I've spent over 1.5 million, between the levels of 45-50, trying to find a better javelin for my Javazon. I read on Arreat's that you are supposed to be able to get items up to +4(of item level) of your character level. Naturally, I read that there are lesser chances to get the exceptional equivalents of the normal items that show. It says the chances will increase as you go up in level. So, I spent this 1.5k, and have seen a grand total of 1! exceptional javelin. Ridiculous. Am I too low a level to get exceptionals? I wouldn't think so, at level 50. At that rate, what level do I have to be to get elites? What's the point in gambling and having items +4 of your char level, available, if you can't ever get them?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but I think I read it right.

Thanks.
Item tutorial said:
Item levels are determined by an equation:
ilvl = clvl + rnd[10] - 5
(i.e. from clvl-5 to clvl+4)

The chances for every quality are:
Unique: 1/2000
Set: 1/1000
Rare: 1/10
Magical: 1797/2000

Here are the equations used to determine whether or not the item will become exceptional or elite:
exceptional = 1 + (ilvl - excep qlvl) * 90 / 100
elite = 1 + (ilvl - elite qlvl) * 33 / 100

Magic Find in no way affects gambling.
qlvl of war javelin is 30. If it is what you want to gamble.
Billybgame said:
I've spent over 1.5 million, between the levels of 45-50, trying to find a better javelin for my Javazon.
Gambling can be fun and if that's wat you after then enjoy, but a javazon kills with skills, not weapon damage. I would take a maiden javelin with a couple plus skills over an elite javelin with ed most anyday (why else would titan's be more popular than the elite ones that I don't even bother remembering the name of). The physical damage from the javelin really only comes into play when you're in hell and LI's are common. Peronally I usually shop a blue with replenish javelins, going that route you would also be able to see before hand if its Execptional or not.
jjscud said:
Gambling can be fun and if that's wat you after then enjoy, but a javazon kills with skills, not weapon damage. I would take a maiden javelin with a couple plus skills over an elite javelin with ed most anyday (why else would titan's be more popular than the elite ones that I don't even bother remembering the name of). The physical damage from the javelin really only comes into play when you're in hell and LI's are common. Peronally I usually shop a blue with replenish javelins, going that route you would also be able to see before hand if its Execptional or not.
I second that.
BTW my tourney character Astreon already found 2 Titans. :cool:
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        140          140    0     3    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        54           54    0     4    2
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Dionysus has just entered act5 nm with 49 uniques/sets. The map for mephisto is horrible, so I don't know if I will try to reroll the map to find a good one or just continue questing. I would like to climb up the rankings some more, so I'll probably try to find a good map.
jjscud said:
Gambling can be fun and if that's wat you after then enjoy, but a javazon kills with skills, not weapon damage. I would take a maiden javelin with a couple plus skills over an elite javelin with ed most anyday (why else would titan's be more popular than the elite ones that I don't even bother remembering the name of). The physical damage from the javelin really only comes into play when you're in hell and LI's are common. Peronally I usually shop a blue with replenish javelins, going that route you would also be able to see before hand if its Execptional or not.
True, my Javazon gets by quite fine, at least in early NM, with her rare War Javelin. Found in the fields of war, it has replenish on it, and we love that. BUT, I'd love to find something with even more good mods on it. Something like a Harpoon, or even better, with + javvy skills, elemental dmg, resists, AND replenish. In a perfect world, that is. But, I'm just looking for anything better.

The point is, as far as I understand it, I should be seeing some exceptionals when I'm gambling. When I choose a Throwing Spear, or Pilum, I should, every now and then, see an exceptional. And, I'm not. I spent 900,000, a few days ago, and saw not a one. I think I was level 46, or so.

I'm at work, and don't have the info to perform equations. I was always pretty good at math, but those equations baffle me a bit. But, if I have it right, now that Arreat's made some sense of the whole ilvl/clvl crap:

If my char is lvl 50, and, for example, a war javelin is 30, as you say, then shouldn't it be:

(50-30)*.9+1=19%

Right? If that's the case, then how could I spend 1.5 million and see one exceptional? I did just about every javelin, pilum, glaive, short spear and throwing spear I came across, and got one. The way the prices increase, I sure should be getting more bang for my buck.

The odd thing is, I had already tested this, as I was just learning about gambling. I just learned how you get exceptionals, last week, and tested it, and got quite a few. Very weird how now I see virtually none.
 
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Hrus said:
I second that.
BTW my tourney character Astreon already found 2 Titans. :cool:
BTW, where'd you get your first Titan's? I'll be moving into act 3, and towards NM Mephisto, soon. I hated to give up this awesome Meph map I had, but I knew I had to move on. I was doing Meph runs in just a few minutes, or less. Someday soon, I'll see NM Meph, though.

Also, what's the best place to find the Qlvls? That'll give me a better idea on what my odds are, and whether or not I'm getting screwed. Preferrably online, if there is a place. I believe I heard you can get them inside the D2 folder? Can't recall exactly, though.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         159.1        153    6.8   2    2
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        140          140    0     3    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        65.3         64    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Well, I flew through Act 4 NM, getting only two drops - but one was the Atlantean, a nice sword for a Hammerdin. And I got a Lum from the Hellforge drop.

I then blasted through Act 5 NM, and killed Baal, garnering 20 drops (but only eight non-duplicates!) Thus, I've increased my score by a very modest amount. I did find a Dangoon's Teaching, giving me my first elite. I'm happy to find it, but I certainly don't plan for it to be in my Top Five at the end of this tourney!

Other nice finds have been a Kelpie's, and an Ume's Lament and a Maelstrom. I think I'll do a Cow Run and do some MFing before moving on to Hell.
Re: the elite scoresheet, I noticed the Herald of Zakarum isn't listed. Is this a typo, or is that not on the list? Very hard to find, I know. Never seen one drop myself.
Billybgame said:
Re: the elite scoresheet, I noticed the Herald of Zakarum isn't listed. Is this a typo, or is that not on the list? Very hard to find, I know. Never seen one drop myself.
Herald of Zakarum is an exceptional unique item (Gilded Shield), the only things on the list are elite unique & set items. I still haven't found any elite items yet.

I have just restarted my venture into Hell. After equipping my latest Skin of the Vipermagi, I have decent resistances and on P1 killing power is awesome (apart from those pesky CI).
Tasdaz said:
Herald of Zakarum is an exceptional unique item (Gilded Shield), the only things on the list are elite unique & set items. I still haven't found any elite items yet.

I have just restarted my venture into Hell. After equipping my latest Skin of the Vipermagi, I have decent resistances and on P1 killing power is awesome (apart from those pesky CI).
Ah. Geez, sure seems elite. One of the hardest to find, and one of the most coveted.
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javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        140          140    0     3    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        65.3         64    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Ladia is lvl 82 now, just rescued Anya in Hell. After getting a Lum from the Countess and making smoke, I decided to quest a little further and see how she would do against Hell Mephisto; well, the merc gets vaporized in about 5 seconds, and the current map doesn't let me do the moat trick (the council members are in the middle). I think I will have to go back to NM Meph to get some better equipment for the merc. Currently doing Eldritch runs to gain some levels. Notable finds: blade of ali baba from NM Meph, and ormus robes (frost nova) from Hell Diablo.
I'm having a few problems with my pc lately, so probably won't be able to play as much for the next few days.
:D
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javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        168          168    0     4    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        65.3         64    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Running NM Meph some more has netted me some more points. Now sitting in Act 3 waiting to confront the jungles & move onto Hell Meph & see how I can handle him with my current equipment.
So... I've been playing my *** off yesterday, I was at NM Meph when I began getting a couple of grailies there (hoping for some MF equipment), but I ploughed trough to Hell meph and am currently upto level ** before even venturing into act 4 :D
Got quite a few nice items, but noting really worth anything... no good mf equipment except for a alibab and I made a rhyme shield. 75% block is sweet stuff.
I also turned into some sort of tri-elementalist since FW/FM/Orb are max and I allways leave CM at 1, so... I put points in TS with 1 in LM. I can't post a fara report so far, but.. well it isn't that interesting. Best find is probably a demon limb or so.

Good luck!
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javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        184.5        174   10.5   4    5
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        65.3         64    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Eventually made it to Meph. This single tree stuff can be quite hard at times, but perserverance pulled me through. Did a few runs last night & netted a few items. Merc dies fairly easily, but running around like a mad person, casting Blizzard is quite effective & he goes down fairly easily. Rolled a fairly nice map to. Got a Marrowwalk of the Council, my first ones. Hopefully some Meph running will put me back up there in front.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        184.5        174   10.5   4    5
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Did the NM Cow Level and ran Shenk, Eldrith, Pindleskin, Andariel the Inner Cloister unique about 10 times each. Only three new drops for the entire evening! Just a streak of bad luck. Dropped about five duplicates though - I don't need anymore Tancred's Crowbills!

I'll be without a computer for the next few days. I expect to be near the bottom of the list when I return - but then I'll start doing my best to catch up.
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Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        221.7        195   26.7   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       204.7        198    6.7   4    5
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Finally back in the lead!!! (But for how long? :scared: ) Struggled my way through the plains of Hell and the River of Flame, stepped into the Chaos Sanctuary and slowly made my way through Diablo's hordes. I killed off all the non CI monsters & left the Oblivion Mages (CI) to my merc one by one using Teleport. Didn't realise that when you light all seals that any remaining monsters go poof! Very handy to remember that is! Still learning new stuff about this damned game.

From there Diablo was a breeze. Killed my merc in about 5 seconds, but he fell easily to the power of the Blizzard. He dropped complete crap. Not one unique or set item. Did a few more River of Flame runs & a Sacred Armor dropped (normal though :mad: ).

Moved onto Harrogath and made my way along the first few outdoor levels. I haven't killed Shenk yet which I really must do as I really want to socket my Skin of the Vipermagi with a PTopaz. Made my way through the Crystaline Passage & eventually rescued Anya. Took many goes, died a few times and had to reroll monsters a bit because of the amount of CI that were spawning. Finally got one with only frozen creeps as the only CI and made my way to Frozenstein. Again I had to use the one on one trick with the Merc. Teleport to a minion, fight him, teleport away, heal, teleport back & fight. Merc didn't die once, I did though (mana burn & no Teleport - ouch).

So now I am running Pindle. He is a breeze even on P8 (except when CI of course!). At the moment I am running him at P8 to get some exp and levels to enhance my killing speed later. He dropped my first TC87 unique already! Running him with about 200% MF ATM. Will switch betwenn Pindle & Meph as I get bored of one.

Killing speed of a pure Blizzard sorc is pretty amazing. She has been very hard to play at times with all the CI in Hell, but the killing speed at Pindle and Meph makes up for it. Will be interesting to see how well she goes running Baal. I will definately use her as my main MF character now & load up Alena (Meteorb) with cool items & exp her up the SC Ladder.

HHmmm... Long write up. That will do then.

Top 5 Items:

1. Ghostflame
2. Dracul's Grasp
3. Marrowwalk
4. Trang-Oul's Guise
5. Baranar's Star

Ghostflame
Legend Spike
One-Hand Damage: 153 to 233
Required Dexterity: 57
Required Strength: 55
Required Level: 66
Dagger Class - Fast Attack Speed
Indestructible
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0x7f7fd325
+234% Enhanced Damage
+108 magic damage
12% Mana stolen per hit
+2 to Light Radius
Ignore Target Defense
Indestructible
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired)
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       223.7        209   14.7   4    5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        221.7        195   26.7   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           82           82    0     0    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
TOP5 SCORE: 14.7
Widowmaker - 4.3
Nord's Tenderizer - 3.5
Trang-Oul's Girth - 3.2
Shadow Killer - 2.4
Dangoon's Teaching - 1.3
I was questing until Hellforge (with around 200MF), got KO :(. I will do questing until Anya's quest, I need some more resistances badly. Then probably some Pit runs and Meph (but he did kill my merc in 1sec!).
I didn't receive the signup fee from these tournamenters yet:
Humphrey (will probably quit)
Factory
Sint
Immortal Slayer
My MFing seems to have fallen off the map, after being so great in late act 1 NM. Now all I find are duplicates, triplicates, quadruplicates. Just bad luck, I suppose. I'm at 63 items, but it doesn't move me in the standings at all, so....

Experienced my first death, running NM Andariel. I wouldn't have died if it had been HC. I just let the poison go, as I tried to finish off Andariel, and couldn't do it in time. Then, he/she dropped squat. That was my 3rd time, as I got a quite good Andariel map. The 2nd time, I was kind of amazed at two sets and one unique(a duplicate I don't mind...Nagelring).

Mephisto, coming up.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       223.7        209   14.7   4    5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        221.7        195   26.7   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           91           91    0     0    3
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard         43           43    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Still here, progress is slower, though I normaly progress slowley so for my its about average. A bit frustrated, I've done 10-15 runs through lvl 85 areas and am part way through act 3 and have still not seen a single elite. In fact, I'm not certain I've seen a Exceptional since I hit Hell, drops have been terrible. Oh well, I hope to hit Mephy tonight and will run him till I get a bit better equipment. I've considered sticking with Meph until he coughs up a Stormlash even if it leaves this char there well beyond the tourney but I will probably press on at least to HellForge before too long. Also hoping to enter triple digits tonight.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       223.7        209   14.7   4    5
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        221.7        195   26.7   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           91           91    0     0    3
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0


entry fee sent up hrus, lmk if you received it smoothly, anyway i just hit act5H, i decided to go for act5 'cause meph is giving me everything but luvin' atm, really hope to change this trend, 'cause he's up for some standard mf gear, you know what i'm saying, anyway i'm just a bit away from 100 and just only 4 elites, but i definitely wait for pindle, he's definitely on the horizon now, go!


edit: uh, i almost forgot, i qwn a beautiful new Gul, from hforge this one, yo
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       223.7        209   14.7   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           91           91    0     0    3
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      49           49    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Up to WSK Waypoint now. What a long hard battle just to get there. All those CI on WSK 1 are a royal pain in the behind & gloams seriously pwn me too. Tried running with some MF gear and it just isn't happening. Switching back to better equipment to try and take on Baal & then back to Pindle & Meph.

Top 5 Items:

1. Ghostflame - 9.3
2. Dracul's Grasp - 5.9
3. Marrowwalk - 5.0
4. Trang-Oul's Guise - 3.3
5. Demon's Arch - 3.3

Full report is here
Got through the NM Flayer Jungle, before work today. After getting exceptional uniques dropping out of chests in late act 1, I've gotten two Cleglaw's swords(dupe and triplicate), and a Jade Tan Do Kris, through all those pesky Flayers, etc. I left that game open on my machine, all this time, as I loved my late act 1 luck, and thought I was in for a windfall. I'm exiting and restarting, tonight. I know it's all just luck, but I swear the game gets in a MF rut. Anyhow, 64 items, now. I forgot, I've gotten two set rings to drop, in the last 3 days. Sigh, both Angelic Halo's. Now, that's not too bad, if I could just find the amulet, and armor. I could do without the 3 swords I have. Might have to go back to normal Mephisto!

The thing that troubles me most about my MF rut, is I've added quite a bit. I found a 4 socketed ancient armor, in NM Tower 👏 I was pretty geeked. Got 3 perfect topazes in it already. My MF is 220, and 320, with Merc kills. Not bad. I am getting a lot of rares, so maybe it's just bad luck. I let my Merc kill almost every boss, unless he dies, or they're mods just aren't allowing the merc and Valkyrie to finish them off. 3 days, and not one boss dropped a set or unique, at 320+ MF. Pretty ridiculous.

Anyhow, how's about a poll. What's everyone's current MF? Mine will be even more, pretty soon, when I get another perfect topaz.
Billybgame said:
Anyhow, how's about a poll. What's everyone's current MF? Mine will be even more, pretty soon, when I get another perfect topaz.
Really sounds like you're having bad luck at the moment. MF is an important factor, but killing things quickly is just as important. I am finding it harder to add to my score now. I sell off any normal/crappy unique/set items unless they are a grailer.

My MF is currently 323. This will drop for WSK to 275 as I need resistances and killing power just to survive. My merc has +44 MF, but he rarely kills anything. He now uses a Ethereal Kelpie Snare which has helped no end with Meph running. My equipment:

Demon Gyre
Clasped Orb
One-Hand Damage: 5 to 12
Durability: 40 of 40
(Sorceress Only)
Required Level: 42
Orb Class - Normal Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 64
Fingerprint: 0x6e58ad9d
+31 to Life
Fire Resist +38%
Adds 1-184 lightning damage
+2 to Sorceress Skill Levels
+1 to Blizzard (Sorceress Only)
+3 to Chilling Armor (Sorceress Only)
+1 to Enchant (Sorceress Only)
5% Chance to cast Level 3 Lightning on attack

Gemmed Superior Mask
Defense: 30
Durability: 19 of 22
Required Strength: 23
Required Level: 18
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 50
Fingerprint: 0x59518abe
+9% Enhanced Defense
Increase Maximum Durability 11%
68% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Socketed (3: 3 used)

Gemmed Light Plate
Defense: 91
Durability: 50 of 60
Required Strength: 41
Required Level: 18
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 65
Fingerprint: 0x716aa2f8
72% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Socketed (3: 3 used)

Rhyme
Superior Spiked Shield
'ShaelEth'
Defense: 27
Chance to Block: 50%
Durability: 38 of 44
Required Strength: 30
Required Level: 29
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 39
Fingerprint: 0xdaad5ddc
+7% Enhanced Defense
+20% Increased Chance of Blocking
Regenerate Mana 15%
All Resistances +25
Increase Maximum Durability 10%
50% Extra Gold from Monsters
25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
40% Faster Block Rate
Cannot Be Frozen
Socketed (2: 2 used)

Eagle Fist
Gauntlets
Defense: 38
Durability: 24 of 24
Required Strength: 60
Required Level: 48
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0x738fc996
+15 to Dexterity
+141% Enhanced Defense
25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
Repairs 1 durability in 20 seconds

Goldwrap
Heavy Belt
Defense: 35
Durability: 14 of 18
Required Strength: 45
Required Level: 27
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 59
Fingerprint: 0xb72c426e
+54% Enhanced Defense
+25 Defense
64% Extra Gold from Monsters
30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

Eagle Trample
Heavy Boots
Defense: 11
Durability: 12 of 14
Required Strength: 18
Required Level: 18
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 59
Fingerprint: 0x10794b60
+59% Enhanced Defense
Cold Resist +38%
22% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
+1 to Light Radius
20% Faster Run/Walk
10% Faster Hit Recovery

Emerald Amulet of Luck
Required Level: 19
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 85
Fingerprint: 0x1db48871
Poison Resist +37%
30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

Corruption Master
Ring
Required Level: 48
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 60
Fingerprint: 0xc405d021
+14 to Dexterity
+9 to Life
Fire Resist +21%
Lightning Resist +37%
Cold Resist +11%
Poison Resist +11%
15% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

Tangerine Ring of Fortune
Required Level: 31
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 84
Fingerprint: 0xa1eb6660
Lightning Resist +9%
20% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

3 Small charms - 7%, 5%, 4%

My merc:

Stealskull
Casque
Defense: 248
Durability: 16 of 24
Required Strength: 59
Required Level: 35
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 59
Fingerprint: 0x2cf3e22e
+240% Enhanced Defense
5% Life stolen per hit
5% Mana stolen per hit
44% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
10% Increased Attack Speed
10% Faster Hit Recovery
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Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       223.7        209   14.7   4    5
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           91           91    0     0    3
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

thought I'd post an update. My necro is only level 65 doing massive meph runs. between each run I shop, looking for a staff with teleport charges so I don't have to walk around a large wall to get to the entrance. I thinking about continueing, but I'm afraid to get to hell, because my mf map will be lost. Haven't found anything worthwhile yet, found an ethereal string of ears however.

EDIT: My magic find is around 260, to lazy to find exact number but last time I looked it was 260. My merc carries no mf, want him to survive a direct attack from meph :)
 
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Note: These are posts #181 to 200 from the original thread.

My Lightning Javazon is certainly a pretty fast killer. She'll be a lot faster, when I become less mana & mana regen deficient.

Still no Shaels. No biggie, because I was waiting for a two socketed Grim Shield, which fell today 👏 . Now, I just need the Shael. Had a Dol drop for me, though. Also got my first nicer 4 socketed merc weapon...War Fork. No good uniques and sets, but those two were nice drops today.

No Nagelrings, Tasdaz? Probably need the resists, I suppose.
Billybgame said:
No Nagelrings, Tasdaz? Probably need the resists, I suppose.
I have found 2 of them, but only 16% & 17% so they're not worth equiping. Need all the resistances I can get to try and run the WSK, which is the other reason I'm not using Nagelrings. Even with 54% LR, gloams still pwn me. :(

I am just about to take on Baal (just killed the 1st wave of his minions).
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       249.8        229   20.8   4    6
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot           91           91    0     0    3
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
I did around 50 Meph runs yesterday and I was rewarded - some elites including Wizardspike (actually I was questing for Anya's quest,because i was in need of some resists) the first Meph run after that - Wizardspike. The last run I did get AliBaba.

My equip without Ali-Baba: Tarnhelm,Wizardspike,4xPtopaz gothic plate, Rhyme (+31allres) Heraldic shield, Trang-Oul's Claws, SoJ, 10%FCR/24 res light ring, Vidala' Fetlock, Vidala's Snare, Nightsmoke (didn't find Goldwrap yet),Spellsteel on switch. Around 200 MF in full battle gear. only +2 skills, but 75 FCR, 30% FRW and maxed resists in hell.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       249.8        229   20.8   4    6
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          108.1        105    3.1   0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc      26           26    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Finally a bit more notable progress. I reached Hell Meph late last night, found naj's puzzler in upper kurast, that timing couldn't have been better. I had sold my previous teleport in Act 2 when I was short on money. Of course I'm firly short on money right now because my merc can't handle Meph, I've finally just had to leave him dead and tank Meph all by my lonesome.

As per my usuall update, I'm feeling the effects playing untwinked melee. I've got low MF (only around a 100, ptopaz Tarnhelm, crafted CB gloves with 20% MF, and Atma's Wail with 20% MF), and Meph kills are a bit slow, but not terrible. I plan to stay here at least until I get some decent gear.

Also, what's up with the TC 3s, I must just be TC3 defficient.
Uh.. sorry guys, I've been in the lead longer then now, but.. I was too lazy. :) Hrus, I've send you a stash with 25 pgems in it (didn't know it was 15..) you can keep them as a compensation for losing the lead .. I'll adjust the scoresheet, give a Fara report, give a copy of what I'm wearing (and my merc) and... show you all who's boss.

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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       249.8        229   20.8   4    6
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          108.1        105    3.1   0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Well, I have pretty much been spending most of my gaming time to this tournament, knowing that I have less time the upcomming half of it. Running around with Crutch has been fairly easy as FW and Orb are both strong attackers and lately I have been using TS as some sort of tri-elemental back up. She can run Andariel, Meph, Baal, Cows and I've done some pit and maggot lair runs too. No real thread in any of them IF the monsters don't spawn extra fast or something like that. My block (75%) handle's with most of the attacks that slip trough and my resistances are decent enough to survive a couple of blows.

On to the important stuff:
I've found 2 TC 87's so far, Stormspire and Gris' helm. Quite welcome surprises. I've also found numerous charms, gems and runes to keep me going. Seriously, I never cow... but after getting two unique amulets, 2 unique rings and a bucket load of small charms in a few hours time I think I'll do it more often :)
I've been hunting TC3 for a bit too.. found a couple of them but especially the green buckler seems to dropping often.

Look here for my character. It's an atma partial drop. All my important stuff is there.
Look here to see all my items in my stash. There are 584 items in there so far...
Look here to see all my items in a Fara report. Sadly enough it doesn't look too well converted to a doc size, but I couldn't upload the report as it's given as a html page.
I found 6 different TC3's. However my TC3 count is 9 :) I'm upto 19 cathan's seals so far however multiple items are irritating me by now.. unique short war and battle bows are seriously infesting my games (or.. maybe they just stand out more I dunno).

My top 5 items:
1. Ravenlore|14.6|
2. Spirit Keeper|14.2|
3. Stormspire|9.3|
4. Alma Negra|9.1|
5. Blood Raven's Charge|6.7|

By the way, I don't get the score sheet, some of the stuff seems way off IMO (cerebus' bite... wth?). I figured my green corona was a great find, but it's not even in my top 5 :rolleyes:

Anyway, total score:
Normal Uniques (86 of 116)
Exceptional Uniques (67 of 119)
Elite Uniques (22 of 86)
Other Uniques (21 of 50)
Normal Sets (54 of 62)
Expansion Sets (36 of 65)
=
286 of 498
Top 5: 14.6+14.2+9.3+9.1+6.7= 53.9
Total: 286 + 53.9 = 339.9
different TC3 / Cathan's seals = 6 / 19

Good luck you guys, I won't be able to play this weekend.. so you might be able to catch up!
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       249.8        229   20.8   4    6
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          57           57    0     2    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Now I'm a hapy camper. I was zealing the crap out of Meph and even with two ravenfrosts (funny cause I've only seen 1 other ring, a manald) I still wasn't getting alot of hits. Then I remembered something someone said about smiter being one of the fastest boss killers there was. I had tried smiting a normal monster earlier (no cb) and it took forever. I figured I would give it a shot since I had 1 point in smite. The rest is history, I easily halved my meph run times. I think with a Giaume's Face this build could start to be a bit scary.

Already with faster Meph runs I'm moving again (though I do have doubts that I'll ever move up on this list).

One quick question, As I read it, points in smite add to damage and stun length, but if I'm just using smite as a boss killer, neither of these is really relevent, so is smite a one point wonder or is it worth investing more points in?
jjscud said:
One quick question, As I read it, points in smite add to damage and stun length, but if I'm just using smite as a boss killer, neither of these is really relevent, so is smite a one point wonder or is it worth investing more points in?
Just as you said it :D (1pw) alot of hammerdins use smite with a cb weapon on switch against single targets like baal. You just have to do enough dmg or have a good enough attack to get that last little bit of life gone.
Sint Nikolaas said:
Uh.. sorry guys, I've been in the lead longer then now, but.. I was too lazy.
Ouch... That is one hell of an update! And here I was thinking I was going ok. Boy was I wrong. Look out Meph & Pindle... I'm a comin' :lol:

By the way, I don't get the score sheet, some of the stuff seems way off IMO

It is all based on the drop chance in ATMA against the easiest Elite to find, the IK Stone Crusher. An item with a score of 3.3 for instance is 3.3 times harder to find. Hope that helps.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       249.8        229   20.8   4    6
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          71           71    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Yowza, Sint! What an update. You must play 16 hours a day, to get a score like that, this quick.

I work for a living, with a family, so it's small progress, much of the time.

My Javazon's MF luck took a great turn tonight, just progressing in the Kurasts. 5 uniques, and one of them exceptional, and my first ever siting of Natalya's boots! I like getting excited about finds, so I'm thinking I'm not going to be rushing my life away to try and catch the leaders here. I'll probably just play her through Hell, finish up, and go from there. I'll probably approach the 200 mark, just doing that, and with Tower runs, and other runs here and there. But, we'll see.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          71           71    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
I worked very hard to get the first place. I got some nice items as Harley, Skullders, 2nd SoJ!. Mostly Meph runs, some Pit runs, but I didn't get any items that Mephisto can't drop.
Top 5: 48.5
Heaven's Light - 19.5
Head Hunter's Glory - 7.8
Ondal's Wisdom - 7.8
Horizon's Tornado - 6.8
Nosferatu's Coil - 6.6
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        257.8        231   26.8   5    7
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          71           71    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

A not so big score update for me :(

I haven't been playing too much lately. Been doing some Ancient Tunnel runs and they have been poor item wise, nothing of note at all yet. Been getting some more grail points from Meph & Pindle but nothing to increase my top 5 score. Have just equipped a Blade of Ali Baba to hopefully help me out a bit, killing speed isn't affected at all. MF is now 412. After this tourney, this character will remain my major MFer, so even if I don't win, I have played a new character I've been wanting to for a while now :)

Top 5 Items:

1. Ghostflame - 9.3
2. Dracul's Grasp - 5.9
3. Marrowwalk - 5.0
4. Trang-Oul's Guise - 3.3
5. Demon's Arch - 3.3
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        257.8        231   26.8   5    7
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        80.6         76    4.6   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          71           71    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Back from a short vacation and I was down the list as I expected. I didn't expect Sint's big move, thpugh! I only can hope that Immortal Slayer doesn't suddenly show up with 400 Grail items and 50 Cathan Seals!

I've bulled through Act 1 Hell - found a Bloodmoon elegant blade and a few nice exceptional uniques. I've still averagng over 50% duplicates, though. I've got a loong way to go but I'll do the best I can (I'm like Billybgame - I have a wife, family and a real life.)
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        68.3         67    1.3   4    2
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Finally made it to NM Mephisto. Got good MF drops on the way from Travincal. Got 5 needed items on the way. Problem is, I got the worst possible Mephisto map I could. Terrible luck there. Too bad, as my Andariel map is great, and I'm getting good drops there. Not looking good for me, with the Meph map.

Edit: Also, forgot to add, I stared in disbelief, as my so called "super drop" from Mephisto netted nothing but junk. This after enduring the neverending maze I found on level 2, finding the stairs and waypoint. Very odd it was, though, that I go to the two chests on the step up ends. Both drop set items! That's a first, for me. I needed one, so it was an odd way of retribution.

Edit 2: Oops! Guess I edited the standings from the next to last page. Screwed that up.
Nice one hrus :) I'll see monday if I can get ... 1 ... grail item to get back in the lead :D

edit: billy, you can change your map if you like. Just go back to normal for a bit and then try meph NM again. Every time you change difficulties you reroll your map. You'll lose your andariel map, but in a few tries you can get a nice meph map :)
Sint Nikolaas said:
Nice one hrus :) I'll see monday if I can get ... 1 ... grail item to get back in the lead :D

edit: billy, you can change your map if you like. Just go back to normal for a bit and then try meph NM again. Every time you change difficulties you reroll your map. You'll lose your andariel map, but in a few tries you can get a nice meph map :)
Yeah, I know...but as I was saying, I have a great Andy map. And, a not too bad Tower map. Even Duriels is good. So, I was hoping Mephisto's would be ok, at least. Instead it's very, very bad. I think I'm going to live with it, as the others are all good.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        236.8        210   26.8   4    6
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        80.6         76    4.6   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Just reinserting my latest entry after Billbgame updated the wrong table. No prob.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        277.3        246   31.3   5    7
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        80.6         76    4.6   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Updated my score.

Top 5 Items:

1. Ghostflame - 9.3
3. Ondal's Wisdom - 7.8
2. Dracul's Grasp - 5.9
3. Marrowwalk - 5.0
4. Trang-Oul's Guise - 3.3
Rainbow Facets are not on list?

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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        277.3        246   31.3   5    7
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          122          111   11     0    4
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        91.9         85    6.9   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Just finished Act 2, Hell, and killed Duirel and updated my score. What a great drop: Duriel dropped 3 uniques and a TP scroll. The 3 uniques were Frostburn gloves, Crescent Moon ammy and a Rainbow Facet jewel.
For some reason, rainbow facet jewels are not on the list for Top 5 items. Given that they are a TC85 unique, that seems like an oversight.

Top 5 Items:

1. Bloodmoon - 3.3
3. Wizardspike - 2.3
2. Dangoon's Teaching - 1.3
3. Rainbow Facet - 0.0
4. Crescent Moon - 0.0
Amulets, rings and jewels has no TCs and you can't say if they are elite, so they are not on the list.
Hrus said:
Amulets, rings and jewels has no TCs and you can't say if they are elite, so they are not on the list.
If we are scoring the same as the grail thread, does that mean each different Rainbow Facet is worth 1 point each?
 
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Tasdaz said:
If we are scoring the same as the grail thread, does that mean each different Rainbow Facet is worth 1 point each?
Yes, it's the same as in the grail thread.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       340.5        292   48.5   4    9
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        277.3        246   31.3   5    7
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          208.8        186   22.8   0   10
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        91.9         85    6.9   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

With a little improvement in items found and strategy I'm sped up my mephing with decent results.

Ok, major MFO question. Why has Kira's Guardian always left off the eliete list? I suppose the reason is that Doc lists it as an Exceptional but everywhere else I've seen lists it as an elite. Its TC 75 with a realatively high qlvl, in fact only monsters with mlvl 85 or higher can drop it. I think it shold be on there, its score would be 4.9 with the same rearity from lvl 85 monsters as The Gladiator's Bane. So, I'm counting it for now, if someone wants to argue, that's fine, just just as easy to remove.

Top 5
Dracul's Grasp 5.9
Kira's Guardian 4.9
Thunderstroke 4.7
Sandstorm Trek (x2) 3.9
It's probably because Tiara is an exceptional version of Coronet. At least when gambling... I think we should stick with the original scoresheet. It is not so rare anyway, so you will be able to find a better items until the end of tourney.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       387.8        337   50.8   4   13
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        277.3        246   31.3   5    7
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          208.8        186   22.8   0   10
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        91.9         85    6.9   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Humphrey            Talon            Bonemancer       45           45    0     0    0
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
Astreon is doing well, still missing War Travs and Gheeds...
TOP 5: 50.8
Heaven's Light - 19.5
Boneshade - 7.9
Head Hunter's Glory - 7.8
Ondal's Wisdom - 7.8
Arkaine's Valor - 7.8
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       387.8        337   50.8   4   13
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        277.3        246   31.3   5    7
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          208.8        186   22.8   0   10
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        91.9         85    6.9   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Just removing myself from the table as I don't want to play that character untwinked any more. Hrus did I ever send you the PGems? If not I'll send them now.
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forumname           character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus                Astreon          Hammerdin       387.8        337   50.8   4   13
Sint                Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz              ColdHeart        Blizzard        309.4        274   35.4   7   11
javcek              Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud              Stormlash        Zealot          208.8        186   22.8   0   10
factory             VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Quickdeath          Carpenter        Hammerdin        91.9         85    6.9   4    3
Billybgame          JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox            Dionysus         Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz                JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer     Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Small score update. Sorry to see you drop out Humphrey. Taken the TC3 lead after Pindle dropped me a Biggin's Bonnet!

1. Ghostflame - 9.3
2. Ondal's Wisdom - 7.8
3. Nosferatu's Coil - 6.6
4. Dracul's Grasp - 5.9
5. Stone Crusher - 5.8

A couple of other nice finds - Stormshield, Mara's Kaleidoscope & 292% ED Ribcracker.
Ral, Lum, Gul

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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       387.8        337   50.8   4   13
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        309.4        274   35.4   7   11
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         212.6        200   12.6   6    3
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          208.8        186   22.8   0   10
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       109.5        100    9.5   4    3
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

My three Hellforge drops on norm, NM and Hell were Ral, Lum, Gul ! Wow!!!! Its my 2nd Gul of all time, but even so, I was a happy Hammerdin when it dropped.

Obviously, I've finished Act 3, Hell and pushed on to the River of Death WP in Act 4. Before I go for Diablo, I decided to do some MF runs on Hell Andariel. These paid off and finally I got to 100 on the grail. An ethereal Viperfork Mancatcher dropped and went to my merc, who now is an effective killer.

1. Bloodmoon - 3.3
2. Viperfork (eth) - 2.6
3. Wizardspike - 2.3
4. Dangoon's Teaching (x3) - 1.3
5. Rainbow Facet - 0.0
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       387.8        337   50.8   4   13
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        309.4        274   35.4   7   11
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          208.8        186   22.8   0   10
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       109.5        100    9.5   4    3
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Ladia is lvl 86, finished hell a few days ago. I've been running Hell Mephisto for a while now; got an ist, but nothing remarkable for the tourney score.

Top 5:
Steel Shade - 6.6
Dracul's Grasp - 5.9
Ormus' Robes - 3.9
Nord's Tenderizer 3.5
The Reaper's Toll 3.3
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       387.8        337   50.8   4   13
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        309.4        274   35.4   7   11
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          241          216   25     0   10
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       109.5        100    9.5   4    3
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

A little more progress, I'm getting a bit restless with meph, I've already ventured into act 5, I may push on till pindle and see how I manage him and his gang.

Also, still amazingly tc3 free. It's almost scary.

Top 5

Soul Drainer 6.6
Dracul's Grasp 5.9
Thunderstroke 4.7
Sandstorm Trek (x2) 3.9
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       387.8        337   50.8   4   13
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        309.4        274   35.4   7   11
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          274.9        246   28.9   0   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       109.5        100    9.5   4    3
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Finaly got some decent MF, Gris Armor w/3 PTopaz, ali baba, 1 crummy nagle, 38% chance guards, 33 % Gheeds, 25% from IK boots and belt. Somewhere around 270% now.

Of course its fun hacking meph down with an Ali Baba, good thing I found Guillame's Face.

Top 5
Blood Raven's Charge 6.7
Soul Drainer 6.6
StormShield 6.0
Dracul's Grasp 5.9
Thunderstroke 4.7
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       404.3        352   52.3   5   17
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        309.4        274   35.4   7   11
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          274.9        246   28.9   0   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       109.5        100    9.5   4    3
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
Increasing my lead.
TOP5:52,3
Heaven's Light - 19.5
Gargoyle's Bite - 9.3
Boneshade - 7.9
Head Hunter's Glory - 7.8
Ondal's Wisdom - 7.8
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       404.3        352   52.3   5   17
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        309.4        274   35.4   7   11
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          274.9        246   28.9   0   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       120.5        111    9.5   4    4
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Hrus - you da man!

I've just been doing Hell Andariel runs and some Pit runs.
1. Bloodmoon - 3.3
2. Viperfork (eth) - 2.6
3. Wizardspike - 2.3
4. Dangoon's Teaching (x3) - 1.3
5. Rainbow Facet - 0.0
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       404.3        352   52.3   5   17
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          274.9        246   28.9   0   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       120.5        111    9.5   4    4
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

I feel like the nag at the races that bolts at the start & get's overtaken mid race and falls off at the end. :lol: That's a hella lead you got there Hrus!

1. Ghostflame - 9.3
2. Demonhorn's Edge - 7.9
3. Ondal's Wisdom - 7.8
4. Soul Drainer - 6.6
5. Nosferatu's Coil - 6.6
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       404.3        352   52.3   5   17
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     339.9        286   53.9   6   19
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       120.5        111    9.5   4    4
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Just encouraging javek to make an update. Got a tc3 finally, nothing too exciting, it was Hsarus' Iron Fist. Finding new uniques from meph is getting a bit tough, of course finding them other places is always tough. I will probably see how well I deal with Pindle and try that a bit.

1. Demonhorn's Edge - 7.9
2. Blood Raven's Charge - 6.7
3. Soul Drainer - 6.6
4. Dracul's Grasp 5.9
5. StormShield 5.0
Code:
forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       404.3        352   52.3   5   17
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       120.5        111    9.5   4    4
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        107.3         97   10.3   2    2
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Offcourse let-downs of having no internet is not being able to update my score and not being able to check if anyone is catching up. Anyway, I got some more mf'ing done this week. I didn't get alot of hours in but I did get quality.... grail items dropping and less doubles. Increasing my top 5 a bit and finally getting that Harly was nice. The only thing I'm lacking on my sorcy right now are WT's (well and a nice mf ammy would be better..). Scratched 400 points together though :)

1. Ravenlore|14.6|
2. Spirit Keeper|14.2|
3. Stormspire|9.3|
4. Alma Negra|9.1|
5. Alma Negra|9.1|
Total: 344 + 14.6 + 14.2 + 9.3 + 9.1 + 9.1 = 400.3

EDIT: Here you go, get an insight in my playing:
Character name : Crutch
Character type : Sorceress
Character level : 95 :D
Character exp : 2513552838

Strength : 135
Energy : 35
Dexterity : 235
Vitality : 160
Stat Points Rem : 0
Skill Points Rem: 0

Life : 638 / 492
Mana : 591 / 222
Stamina : 318 / 316

Gear:
Harly PT 74%mf
Gris' heart 3 PT 72%mf
Goldwrap 30%mf
Nagel x2 15/25%mf
Chancies 39%mf
Blue boots 22%mf
Blue ammy 12%mf
Killswitch: Wizardspike + Stormshield PD
MFswitch: Ali (2x mf jewel 10/9) + Rhyme bone shield
Allres varies from ~30 - 75
75% block

Skills:
FW max
FM max
Orb max
TS max
Warmth 1
Teleport 1
CM 1
S-armor 1
prereqs 14
LM 8 (orso.. just the rest) encounting
Merc:
Guillaume's + Rattlecage + Bonehew
Code:
forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       404.3        352   52.3   5   17
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        259.7        236   23.7   4    6
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       120.5        111    9.5   4    4
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0


sint and hrus, you are unreal at most, anyway updating my spot, currently at clvl 83, struggleing to get those standard ones needed for heavy pindleing, you know, occy, wartravs, harley, skullders, none of those i have not yet put a grab on them :D


maybe i have javcek and jjscud on my horizon, but for something more, boh, i don't know really
Hi there guys. Sorry I haven't been able to make any progress, as I was stuck with mock exams for school, and still have not yet found 15 Pgems since my restart :lol: So i guess I am out of this tournament.
Good luck to you all!

-Slayer
Immortal_Slayer said:
Sorry I haven't been able to make any progress, as I was stuck with mock exams for school, and still have not yet found 15 Pgems since my restart :lol:
I dontated 25.. so all you need is 5 :) You're a bit behind, however you still have quite a few days left if you have nothing to do.
Thanks for the offer Sint, but I don't think I'll be able to achieve anything with the time I have, seeing as right after mock exams, it's the real ones :mad: I'll send in all the Pgems I have at the moment to the prize stash.


-Slayer
Sint said:
Character level : 95
Holy something. I've just hit 90 and I thought that was pretty good. Good luck to you and Hrus to battle out first place! That's a huge lead you two have over the rest of us. I haven't played for the last 2 days so no score update for me. Maybe we can have bets on who will win out of you 2! I still have the most tc3 though. 👍
 
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       404.3        352   52.3   5   17
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        259.7        236   23.7   4    6
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       129.5        120    9.5   4    4
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

maybe i have javcek and jjscud on my horizon, but for something more, boh, i don't know really


Hey, Factory, don't feel bad. I'm so far behind you I'm barely breathing your exhaust. I'm having fun, though.
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        259.7        236   23.7   4    6
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       129.5        120    9.5   4    4
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
Small update from me. I got some TC3...
Top5: 53,8
Heaven's Light - 19.5
Gargoyle's Bite - 9.3
Windforce - 9.3
Boneshade - 7.9
Head Hunter's Glory - 7.8

I have a different style than Sint:
I was hunting Mephisto, now I wil focus more on Pits. It's strange that I can't handle WSK (minions and Baal are OK, but lot of the regular WSK monsters are nasty)
Astreon, lvl **, 358%MF, damage 6.7K, at 75% FCR breakpoint
Life 1293, Mana 542, resistances 65/75/74/69

Harlequin's Crest - 74%MF
Captain's Amulet of Luck (+1 offensive auras/31% MF) - 31%MF
Wizardspike
HoZ
Skullder's Ire - 134%MF
Trang-Oul's Bracers
Goldwrap - 30% MF
SoJ
Rare ring with 10% FCR and some minor mods
War Travelers - 48% MF
Naj's Puzzler on switch

Gheed's Fortune 24% MF :(
5,5,7 MF SC 17% MF
FRW charms and some minor resistances
Lion Branded GC of Sustenance - +1Combat/28 life :)

Merc
Vampire Gaze, Shaftstop, Reaper's Toll for Pit,
Guillaume's Face, Shaftstop, Hone Sundan for Meph
Code:
forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         302.2        279   23.2   6   13
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        259.7        236   23.7   4    6
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       142.7        125   17.7   4    4
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

A quick update for me as well. I've started running the Pit more, and a few LK runs. Starting to get more Elites; rarest is Blackoak Shield, 5.9.
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        259.7        236   23.7   4    6
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       142.7        125   17.7   4    4
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Quick update after two days out of town and without Diablo.

Top 5:
Steel Shade|6.6|
Nosferatu's Coil|6.6|
Stoneraven|6|
Arachnid Mesh|5.9|
Dracul's Grasp|5.9|
Code:
forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        304.5        271   33.5   5    8
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       142.7        125   17.7   4    4
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0


two things happen these few days, that kept me pretty much alive, one is definitely a tal's armor, for obvious reasons, and the other one it's a big grailer, never seen it before, veil of steel, both from pindle and both very beautiful drops, i'll tell ya, so i'm still in


jj, really tight numbers there, literally


current top5:
Veil of Steel 11.4
Stoneraven 6.0
Blackoak Shield 5.9
Firelizard's Talon 5.2
Marrowwalk 5.0
Code:
forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          306.1        274   32.1   1   13
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        304.5        271   33.5   5    8
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       157.7        140   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

My daily update, another 15 items, including a TC3 (Felloak).

My current Top 5:
Blackoak Shield 5.9
Bloodmoon 3.3
Naj's Puzzler, 3.1
Demon Limb (x3) 2.8
Viperfork, 2.6
Code:
forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        304.5        271   33.5   5    8
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       157.7        140   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Well, that may be about it for me. I've been very happy with how this untwinked melee build has went but I just can't make myself grind out the tougher items when I have other chars that can do it so much more effectively.

Top 5
1. Demonhorn's Edge - 7.9
2. Blood Raven's Charge - 6.7
3. Soul Drainer - 6.6
3. Soul Drainer - 6.6
3. Soul Drainer - 6.6

No, that's not a typo.

If you want my setup, check my Pat Thread .
Hm.. only 4 days left and no mentionable update.. I need more various items. I did however break the 1000 mark in my stash :D
Well I didn't play D2 much last three days, I think I have only 3 or 4 new grailers since my last update, but I am very curious about your score, Sint. So make an update and I will try to catch you tonight... unless you are over 500 already.
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        330.2        292   38.2   7   12
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        304.5        271   33.5   5    8
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       168.7        151   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

I PLAYED ALL NIGHT AND DID NOT ADD ONE NEW ITEM TO MY TOURNEY GRAIL! And its not like I have found 300 items! Sheeesh.
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     400.3        344   56.3   6   30
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        304.5        271   33.5   5    8
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       168.7        151   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

This is my final update. I've had hardly any time for Diablo lately and what little has netted me 2 more points and a couple of hours with my darts tourney character. I guess that's what happens when you have relatives (sister first, now parents) visiting! Had heaps of time at the start and got the early lead, that was satisfying! This was fun and well worth it. I will be giving a lot of these items away as I have no use for them and will now twink the character to gain some levels in the SC ladder. I have an awesome orb awaiting for her:

Hailstone Whorl
Cloudy Sphere
One-Hand Damage: 11 to 29
Durability: 29 of 35
(Sorceress Only)
Required Level: 42
Orb Class - Normal Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 59
Fingerprint: 0x9a2a4269
+19 to Energy
+32 to Mana
Magic Damage Reduced by 2
Cold Resist +36%
Poison Resist +29%
+2 to Sorceress Skill Levels
10% Faster Cast Rate
+1 to Lightning Mastery (Sorceress Only)
+3 to Blizzard (Sorceress Only)

Thanks Hrus for hosting a great tourney 👏 . Good luck to everyone to try and top you as well! 👍
Hrus said:
Well I didn't play D2 much last three days, I think I have only 3 or 4 new grailers since my last update, but I am very curious about your score, Sint. So make an update and I will try to catch you tonight... unless you are over 500 already.
I'm a bit curious myself :D I burned a CD with the data so I could update today.. that way you can catch up. I've got school untill 5:30 pm and will probably hang around a pub after that......

Code:
forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     445.8        383   62.8   11  38
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       423.8        370   53.8   8   22
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        304.5        271   33.5   5    8
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       168.7        151   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Uniques found:
102 normal
97 exceptional
43 elite
34 other (3 different facets give +2 = 36)
Sets found:
59 normal
46 expansion
Total
383.
Different TC3's
11
Cathan's Seals
38
Top 5:
Azurewrath|15.6|
Ravenlore|14.6|
Spirit Keeper|14.2|
Stormspire|9.3|
Alma Negra|9.1|
Total: 62.8

Grand total: 445.8
Which is a bigger update then I expected.... I knew my top 5 was a bit bigger, but I didn't realise my total would rise that much. Good luck Hrus!
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     445.8        383   62.8   11  38
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       441.8        377   64.8   8   27
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        304.5        271   33.5   5    8
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       168.7        151   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

TOP5:64,8
Heaven's Light - 19.5
Earth Shifter - 18.6
Gargoyle's Bite - 9.3
Windforce - 9.3
Steel Carapace - 8.1

I am ill, so I hope I will feel better and I will try to get higher score. That Earthshifter was a nice surprise.

For everyone else who already gave up the competition with me and Sint, there are some really nice items in my stash, so I suggest competing in TC3 category... (Forget about the Windforce though, it's a grailer...)
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     445.8        383   62.8   11  38
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       441.8        377   64.8   8   27
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5    12
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       168.7        151   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0


i might be just in time for the first place from the mortals realm, you know, just behind those two above aka 3rd. you better ...


here's my top5:
The Redeemer 19.5
Veil of Steel 11.4
Alma Negra 9.1
Steel Shade 6.6
Stoneraven 6.0
Well hrus I'm at school now but I think I can manage another 2 hours of play time in today. After that I will post my final update since I won't be around this weekend.
Which means I'll probably be an easy target seeing you're only a few points behind... :)
Good luck.

EDIT: I did find my first WF yesterday evening though :D
how is the points going, dont mind reading all the pages.

just quick info ok?
The rules for scoring are on the first page.
It's basically number of different sets/uniques found + bonus score for 5 rarest elite items.
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       441.8        377   64.8   8   27
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5    12
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         337          306   31     6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       168.7        151   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

Allright, this'll be my last update.
I'm still in the lead, but hrus can overtake me (pretty easily IMO). Thanks for the tournament, I wish I had more time to play, but seeing the competition maybe I've allready had enough :)
Got some screenshots, my stash readout and my character readout for you to enjoy. Good luck the last 2 days.

Character Readout
Stash Readout
Grail Report (fara)
389 Grail items found.
Azurewrath|15.6|
Ravenlore|14.6|
Spirit Keeper|14.2|
Stormspire|9.3|
Windforce|9.3|
Nice Screeny #1
Nice Screeny #2
Nice Screeny #3

I'll post first (so the links work for me too :D) and then edit some extra stuff in.
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       441.8        377   64.8   8   27
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         380.6        340   40.6   6   20
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       168.7        151   17.7   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

I will try to reach the 400 points mark until tomorrow.

TOP 5:
Spirit Keeper - 14.2
Steel Shade - 6.6
Steel Shade - 6.6
Spike Thorn - 6.6
Nosferatu's Coil - 6.6
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       441.8        377   64.8   8   27
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         380.6        340   40.6   6   20
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       192.3        174   18.3   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

I'm still working at it just for fun. I'm hopelessly in 7th place, but I'm enjoying the experience. Just finished a session with 23 new items.
 
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       452.8        388   64.8   9   32
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         380.6        340   40.6   6   20
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       192.3        174   18.3   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
In the lead again.... :p
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       452.8        388   64.8   9   32
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         387.3        342   45.3   6   21
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       192.3        174   18.3   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
Well, final update for me. Thanks a lot to Hrus for hosting this tourney! 👍
Now I have to find something to do with the 1200+ items in the tourney stash... :D

Report

TOP 5:
Spirit Keeper - 14.2
Griswold's Redemption - 11.3
Steel Shade - 6.6
Steel Shade - 6.6
Spike Thorn - 6.6
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       456.8        392   64.8   9   38
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         387.3        342   45.3   6   21
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       192.3        174   18.3   5    5
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
MY FINAL UPDATE.
My report

It was around 4hrs/day during all. Untwinked hammerdin is not as fast as untwinked Blizzsorc, though running Mephisto was quite fast. But running Pits is not as effective as running Pindleskin, and I couldn't run him with Hammerdin. I was also disappointed with his ability to run WSK+Baal. Baal + Minions were OK, but most of the monsters in WSK cause him problems. I tried around 10 Baal runs, died around 5 times...

106 normal U + 106 exceptional U + 47 elite U + 13 jewelry + 3 (4 different rainbow facets) + 14 class specific U + 58 normal S + 45 expansion S.

Top5: 64,8
Heaven's Light - 19.5
Earth Shifter - 18.6
Gargoyle's Bite - 9.3
Windforce - 9.3
Steel Carapace - 8.1

Everyone: Don't forget to mention your leetest item (only normal,magic, rare, or crafted);
For me it is: (But I will exclude myself from this event)
Glyph Gyre
Sacred Globe
One-Hand Damage: 3 to 8
Durability: 16 of 30
(Sorceress Only)
Required Level: 42
Orb Class - Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 59
Fingerprint: 0x820942c4
+24 to Mana
Poison Resist +30%
+2 to Sorceress Skill Levels
20% Faster Cast Rate
+3 to Meteor (Sorceress Only)
+1 to Thunder Storm (Sorceress Only)
+1 to Teleport (Sorceress Only)
5% Chance to cast Level 3 Fire Bolt on attack

Thanks to all participants, especially Sint and Tasdaz to keep me motivated.

And I have something to think about: I will prepare a giveaway stash after Event winners will choose from my items, but I would be glad if someone will organize it for me. (Tasdaz?) Maybe others can give their items from this tournament into one big giveaway?
Hrus said:
Everyone: Don't forget to mention your leetest item (only normal,magic, rare, or crafted);
I posted this two before, and they are still the two I like the most:

Plague Grip
Ring
Required Level: 48
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 58
Fingerprint: 0xf08b8700
+87 to Attack Rating
Fire Resist +11%
Lightning Resist +11%
Cold Resist +17%
Poison Resist +11%
4% Life stolen per hit
2% Mana stolen per hit
Replenish Life +5

Raven Nails
Chain Boots
Defense: 13
Durability: 16 of 16
Required Strength: 30
Required Level: 29
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 59
Fingerprint: 0xb7fd3e50
+34% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +14%
Cold Resist +14%
24% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
30% Faster Run/Walk
14% Chance to cast Level 5 Nova when struck

I would be between 2 and 3 hours / day for me (I slowed down a lot at the end)

Tasdaz, let me know if you're up for organizing the giveaway; I have a lot of items I need to get rid of :)
javcek said:
Tasdaz, let me know if you're up for organizing the giveaway; I have a lot of items I need to get rid of :)
Hell yeah, if there is one thing i'm good for is a giveaway these days ;) Email me the stashes and I'll do the rest!

t*@*.com

Let me know if there are any rules, etc. you want to put on the giveaway.

Hrus said:
(Tasdaz?) Maybe others can give their items from this tournament into one big giveaway?

Thanks to all participants, especially Sint and Tasdaz to keep me motivated.

That sounds fine to me. If anyone has excess items to give away, email me the stahes & I'll organise it all with javcek's stuff

I hope you do another one of these in the future. I had great fun, and starting new and untwinked was great. Next time I'll send the relatives packing, keep the front door locked & then you'd better look out :lol:

Congrats on coming first too! :winner:

My nice couple of items:

Doom Gnash
Truncheon
One-Hand Damage: 35 to 43
Durability: 27 of 55
Required Dexterity: 43
Required Strength: **
Required Level: 48
Mace Class - Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 85
Fingerprint: 0x2cbe6a51
+514 poison damage over 11 seconds
9% Mana stolen per hit
150% Damage to Undead

Corruption Master
Ring
Required Level: 48
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 60
Fingerprint: 0xc405d021
+14 to Dexterity
+9 to Life
Fire Resist +21%
Lightning Resist +37%
Cold Resist +11%
Poison Resist +11%
15% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       456.8        392   64.8   9   38
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         387.3        342   45.3   6   21
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        350.6        298   52.6   5   12
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       204.6        186   18.6   5    6
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

The Tourney's Over!

I couldn't keep up with the rest of the field - I did not even Pat my Hammerdin - he's on the Glacial Trail in A5, Hell. I was too busy with MF runs at the end. Like Hrus, my hammerdin could't do Pindle very well at all.

I only dropped 5 unique rings during the entire month -and, bizarrely, they were 2 Raven Frosts, 2 Dwarf Stars and a Carrion Wind! I never found a Nagelring! nor a Manald Heal! Weird, huh?

Top5: 18.6
Blackoak Shield- 5.9
Bloodmoon - 3.3
Djinn's Slayer - 3.2
Naj's Puzzler -3.1
Sazabi's Ghost Liberator - 3.1

This was a blast, I enjoyed it greatly even though I could not keep up the pace. Best wishes to everyone!
I haven't played since my last update so its final. I was quite impressed with these gloves though, some reists would have been nice but there are still quite nice.

Dread Grasp
Bramble Mitts
Defense: 62
Durability: 9 of 12
Required Strength: 50
Required Level: 51
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0x639b0c47
+14 to Strength
12% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
20% Increased Attack Speed
+2 to Bow and Crossbow Skills (Amazon Only)
Tasdaz, I sent you my tournament stash after taking out the runes and a few other items I needed; no special rules for the giveaway, but feel free to add some if you want :). LMK when you have it, and thanks for organizing the giveaway! 👍

PS: that's one hell of a ring you have there 👍
javcek said:
Tasdaz, I sent you my tournament stash after taking out the runes and a few other items I needed; no special rules for the giveaway, but feel free to add some if you want :). LMK when you have it, and thanks for organizing the giveaway! 👍

PS: that's one hell of a ring you have there 👍
Stash recieved!

I will wait for Hrus's stash and also see if anyone else wants to giveaway any items and then I'll organise it! Thanks! 👏
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       456.8        392   64.8   9   38
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         387.3        342   45.3   6   21
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        352.5        311   41.5   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       204.6        186   18.6   5    6
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0


end of the road my friends, arrived at lvl 87, which is definitelly a very low one to counter up sint's 96 or hruses, no comparision at all, anyway i have a blizz sorc build up, which if it hasn't be for this tourney, i'll probably never have one, so...


here's my raport (41.5):
Heaven's Light 9.7 <--- halved!
The Redeemer 9.7 <--- halved!
Alma Negra 9.1
Wolfhowl 7.3
Veil of Steel 5.7 <--- halved!



i have to check up a bit for the l337est one, i'll post it up later
I was thinking about this the other day and just wanted to post it here. I really thought it would only take around 200 items to win this tourney. I've also really thought that it's quite a large request when we ask new members to restart because they have a checkered past (d2 wise).

I'm very happy to have been proven wrong in both respects. I'm absolutely astounded at what was achived here in such a short time.

So Kudos to everyone, especially Hrus for organizing and winning another Landmark (imho) SPF tourney.
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       456.8        392   64.8   9   38
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         387.3        342   45.3   6   21
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        377.8        311   66.8   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       204.6        186   18.6   5    6
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0
I have fixed Factory's Top5: 66.8
Heaven's Light 19.5 <--- not halved!
The Redeemer 19.5 <--- not halved!
Alma Negra 9.1
Wolfhowl 7.3
Veil of Steel 11.4 <--- not halved!

These uniques are really that rare compared to IK Maul. I wanted to count it this way for this tournament and other participants used these not halved values too.

I will wait for arond one day for updates about final score and leet items, then I will declare the winners of Events (Sint most probably won TC3 and Cathan's events, but I have to wait for updates about leetest items from some participants)
Congatulations hrus. :)
Official results:
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forumname         character-name   build           totalscore   grail  top5  TC3  Cathan
Hrus              Astreon          Hammerdin       456.8        392   64.8   9   38
Sint              Crutch           FW/Orb Sorc     452          389   63     11  40
javcek            Ladia            Meteorb         387.3        342   45.3   6   21
factory           VenusAsABoy      Blizzard        377.8        311   66.8   6   13
jjscud            Stormlash        Zealot          334.4        300   34.4   3   15
Tasdaz            ColdHeart        Blizzard        332.2        294   38.2   7   12
Quickdeath        Carpenter        Hammerdin       204.6        186   18.6   5    6
Billybgame        JavvyLovesBilly  Javazon          77           77    0     2    1
Duesnox          Dionysus       Fishymancer      70           70    0     1    1
Butz              JonnyGreenwood   Conc/WW Barb      9            9    0     0    0
Immortal_Slayer   Shiverlia        Blizzard          0            0    0     0    0

UMF Winner: Hrus
Freekje's Delight winner: Sint Nikolaas
TC3 Hunt winner : Sint Nikolaas
Leetest item winner: Tasdaz
(It was tough decision, but his ring looks very good, his blizzard orb looks even better.)

Sint Nikolaas can choose 2 items from my U/S tourney stash. Tasdaz can choose 1 item.
I have removed Knell Striker, Windforce and some eth grailers.
Report of my stash is few posts higher.
First who asks, first will be rewarded. If you want to know statistics of some items, just ask here.

I hope you all had fun with this tourney.
well done hrus, you and sint are merely unbeatable, you know, i'm looking for a way to beat you guys but frankly i don't see any, maybe just the two hrs rounds that we had sometime back, maybe there's still hope for us :D


anyway i had fun and even chalked off one grailer from the big table, you know, leaving me with "ten - pearl jam CD234487" to go 👏
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Leetest item winner: Tasdaz
(It was tough decision, but his ring looks very good, his blizzard orb looks even better.)

I hope you all had fun with this tourney.
I had great fun with this tourney. I think playing untwinked was a fantastic idea and made the leveling a challenge and added an extra element to the MFing. I hope you do another in the future some time! Thanks again & congratulations again on winning!

I hope I didn't win the leetest item with my orb, because it wasn't found during the UMFO. I quote myself in an earlier post:

Me said:
...and will now twink the character to gain some levels in the SC ladder. I have an awesome orb awaiting for her

If I won it for the ring, may I have a Herald of Zakarum to help out a fellow forumites Hammerdin. If not, give the prize to the next person. 👍

t*@*.com
@Tasdaz: The ring was enough to win the event. You have mail.
Hrus said:
@Tasdaz: The ring was enough to win the event. You have mail.
Stash recieved. Thanks a million! 👍
I would've thought you knew by now that I don't claim prizes hrus :) the competition was enough.
Sint Nikolaas said:
I would've thought you knew by now that I don't claim prizes hrus :) the competition was enough.
Well, I wasn't sure.
So I organized my items and send most of them to Taszdaz. I hope they will served better in his giveaway than collecting dust in my stashes. Tasdaz, you've got mail
 
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Congrats on the winners.

With the other tournies, I flamed out. Also, I realized, unfortunately, this kind of tourney might not be for me. While I'll do a run here and there, to try and get helpful items, I've never been one to do untold runs. I'd much rather find items as I play the game.

But, anyways, that's just me. Congrats again.
Hrus said:
Tasdaz, you've got mail
Stash received. Thank you.

I will organise the giveaway over the next couple of days. Does anyone else want to send any items for the giveaway?

t*@*.com
I'm kind of new to these forums, so if you will explain to me what an ATMA stash is and how this giveaway works, I would really appreciate it.
iamdela said:
I'm kind of new to these forums, so if you will explain to me what an ATMA stash is and how this giveaway works, I would really appreciate it.
Check the Atma sticky thread. Download Atma, Create a stash in Atma, and move the items from your characters to a stash. Stashes can be send by email.
Tasdaz will organize the giveaway and he will post in giveaway sticky thread, so check it. And I think you should create an intro post before accepting any giveaway items...
I just want to let you know, that I collect all PGems from your entry fees and burned all to reroll Grand charm. I didn't roll any charm worth keeping at all! :rant: :rant: :rant:
EDIT: It was 144 Pgems.