1000 LK runs in 1.13

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ch1zra

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1000 LK runs in 1.13

inspired by 1.13 LK paterns thread I decided to do 1k runs on /p7, and run only special chests.
I was aware that such decision would probably cost me decent number of runes from other poppable objects, but it was for science's sake!

[highlight]Initial story, regarding /p7 runs[/highlight]
I counted runes after each 100 runs, cause it was easier to do it that way, and by doing it in such manner, I was able to make this nice table :P

since I can't place a picture here, I'll summ it up for those lazy to click :
1000 runs, 358 total runes found, highest found Sur, followed by Vex (or preceeded, cause I found Vex before Sur :P).
Then goes 1 Ist. 4 Mals, 2 Um, 1 Lem, and so on...
most dominant drop was Tal, resulting in 50 total Tal runes found during all the runs.

I was god damn slow, averaging @ 51.396 seconds per run, but IMO it was worth it.

Panic struck in betwen runs 600 and 800, since only lower runes were dropping, and when I started 900+ serie I was freaking out cause I had "only" 1 HR (Vex), and that was ages ago (run #227).
but then, by the grace of RNG, at run #918 I got my Sur (also first Sur ever I found)

Beside runes I also picked up GC's, and rare rings/amus.
got ~10 skillers, including 2 harpoonist ones that my LFzon needed, and one Sounding (and that's always cool).
but highlight of runs (not including runes ofc) was this beauty.

and so it was, the tale of a thousand runs.
//edit
Since this sounds like a cool idea to me, and few others might kick in too with their data, I've done same thing at /p5 setting this time.
Fancy Table @ /p5
Fancy Table @ /p7

Comparison of /p5 and /p7 runs:
Code: 
[b]bRune    /p5     /p5     /p5     /p5             /p7     /p7     /p7     /p7   [/b]
Name    total   [%]     1/xRun  1/xMin          total   [%]     1/xRun  1/xMin
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
El      6       1.99    166.67  120.83          12      3.35    83.33   71.33
Eld     1       0.33    1000    725.00          1       0.28    1000    856.00
Tir     16      5.32    62.5    45.31           21      5.87    47.62   40.76
Nef     10      3.32    100     72.50           12      3.35    83.33   71.33
Eth     18      5.98    55.56   40.28           27      7.54    37.04   31.70
Ith     11      3.65    90.91   65.91           17      4.75    58.82   50.35
Tal     43      14.29   23.26   16.86           50      13.97   20      17.12
Ral     18      5.98    55.56   40.28           17      4.75    58.82   50.35
Ort     39      12.96   25.64   18.59           30      8.38    33.33   28.53
Thul    27      8.97    37.04   26.85           28      7.82    35.71   30.57
Amn     27      8.97    37.04   26.85           33      9.22    30.3    25.94
Sol     11      3.65    90.91   65.91           26      7.26    38.46   32.92
Shael   25      8.31    40      29.00           24      6.70    41.67   35.67
Dol     20      6.64    50      36.25           20      5.59    50      42.80
Hel     9       2.99    111.11  80.56           6       1.68    166.67  142.67
Io      4       1.33    250     181.25          6       1.68    166.67  142.67
Lum     2       0.66    500     362.50          8       2.23    125     107.00
Ko      4       1.33    250     181.25          6       1.68    166.67  142.67
Fal     1       0.33    1000    725.00          4       1.12    250     214.00
Lem     2       0.66    500     362.50          1       0.28    1000    856.00
Pul     3       1.00    333.33  241.67					
Um      2       0.66    500     362.50          2       0.56    500     428.00
Mal                                             4       1.12    250     214.00
Ist     1       0.33    1000    725.00          1       0.28    1000    856.00
Gul
Vex                                             1       0.28    1000    856.00
Ohm
Lo
Sur     1       0.33    1000    725.00          1       0.28    1000    856.00
Ber
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[b]Sum     301             41.52    2.41            358             41.82    2.39[/b]
/p5 took 725 minutes
/p7 took 856 minutes
Value of runes gathered :
/p5 has value of 0.531237583404864 Ber
/p7 has value of 0.619426967880947 Ber
(I used matinms idea of calculating rune values expressed in El runes, then calculated total value in Els, divided with Ber (again value in El runes))

//edit
here are download links for tables I used for tracking :
Excel 2007 Version
Excel 2003 version

some info on tables :
they have conditional formatting to recognize highest values in rows/collumns, auto sum inputs and such stuff.
no major formulas included, so every1 can make one of their own, but for those who don't want to do so, above are the links.
How to save it as image:
1. select the cells within dash-dot rectangle, and Copy them
2. open MS Paint, Paste, and save as wanted file type (I'm a PNG lover)
3. Upload to prefered image hosting web service.
great thing is that one can paste tabular data from excel as image into paint, so it makes all a lot easier.
 
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Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

Nice! Love that GC.. I've always wanted one of those.

I'll probably do something similar to this is, if I get my inbetween game lag issue fixed again ;(
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

Very nice. Congrats on the finds.

I do like that table. :D
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

That grand charm is delicious!

How comes 51 seconds per run considering you popped only the 6 chests? That is an extremely long amount of time. You should have been able to drop it to 25 seconds (30? with muling) and drop your total time to like 8 hours! :o
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

The table is beautiful!!!! If everyone (myself included) would have done our runs your way, we would have some serious research going on here.

Oh, and the charm is delicious.
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

Thomh said:
The table is beautiful!!!! If everyone (myself included) would have done our runs your way, we would have some serious research going on here.
Click to expand...

well, it's not late for that :P
as for my slow running, at first it took me long to clear gold piles and other spam/junk.
later on (lot later, probably arround ~700th run or so, yeah...) I realised that oranges are visible while items are still in air, that small amount of time between opening the chest and all items are on the ground.
then I managed to reduce it to ~40 secs.
I'm still not that skilled with tp/tk :\


 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

I`m too lazy to make a table like that. Is it possible to get you to send it by mail or something?

For some reason I`m getting the itch for some LK-running again:)
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

@chizra - Well done. I'm going to do my own and will post back results when it's complete. I imagine it will take me at least a week because I only have so much time to play.
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

I'm not @home atm, but I will send it to you, or upload it to my server for every1 who might be interested.
will post link later tonight :)
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

Well, I'm dealing with my lag atm. I've done 300. I've been pretty happy. Ohm from superchests, Sur from a body. Two lems besides those. I keep track of what the supers drop but I also pop everything in sight for my own amusement =]
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

gz on Ohm and Sur :)
btw I've uploaded them to my website, and edited first post (added links and some basic info)
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

Chizra quick question for you,

I love your table but I'm picky when it comes to how things look. How do you make it automatically highlight the higher number in a given column? =]
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

This is buried in the LK thread, but here is my results from running LK and Travincal, with a quick comparison with your results:

Code: 
			Minutes	750			Minutes	662.5
			Runs	900			Runs	1325
								
								
			[B]Trav				Lk[/B]	
	         [B]Total 	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.	Total	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.[/B]
El Rune	         10   2.8%	   90  	 75 	14	2.6%	95	47
Eld Rune	 4 	1.1%	 225 	 188 	10	1.8%	133	66
Tir Rune	 24 	6.6%	 38 	 31 	35	6.4%	38	19
Nef Rune	 13 	3.6%	 69 	 58 	16	2.9%	83	41
Eth Rune	 27 	7.4%	 33 	 28 	47	8.6%	28	14
Ith Rune	 21 	5.8%	 43 	 36 	34	6.2%	39	19
Tal Rune	 33 	9.1%	 27 	 23 	60	11.0%	22	11
Ral Rune	 23 	6.3%	 39 	 33 	39	7.1%	34	17
Ort Rune	 53 	14.6%	 17 	 14 	61	11.2%	22	11
Thul Rune	 24 	6.6%	 38 	 31 	35	6.4%	38	19
Amn Rune	 38 	10.5%	 24 	 20 	33	6.0%	40	20
Common	           270 	74.4%	 3.3 	 2.8 	 384 	70.3%	 3.5 	1.7
								
	         [B]Total	     %	1/xRuns	1/xMin.	Total	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.[/B]
Sol Rune	 15 	4.1%	 60 	 50 	32	5.9%	41	21
Shael Rune	 19 	5.2%	 47 	 39 	32	5.9%	41	21
Dol Rune	 12 	3.3%	 75 	 63 	25	4.6%	53	27
Hel Rune	 22 	6.1%	 41 	 34 	18	3.3%	74	37
Io Rune      	 7 	1.9%	 129 	 107 	18	3.3%	74	37
Lum Rune	 4 	1.1%	 225 	 188 	7	1.3%	189	95
Ko Rune      	 3 	0.8%	 300 	 250 	6	1.1%	221	110
Fal Rune	 2 	0.6%	 450 	 375 	5	0.9%	265	133
Lem Rune	 4 	1.1%	 225 	 188 	6	1.1%	221	110
Pul Rune	 2 	0.6%	 450 	 375 	4	0.7%	331	166
Um Rune     	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Semi-Rare	 90 	24.8%	 10.0 	 8.3 	 153 	28.0%	 8.7 	4.3
								
	         [B]Total 	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.	Total	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.[/B]
Mal Rune	 1 	0.3%	 900 	 750 	1	0.2%	1325	663
Ist Rune	 1 	0.3%	 900 	 750 	3	0.5%	442	221
Gul Rune	 -   	0.0%			2	0.4%	663	331
Vex Rune	 1 	0.3%	 900 	 750 	1	0.2%	1325	663
Ohm Rune	 -   	0.0%			1	0.2%	1325	663
Lo Rune      	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Sur Rune	 -   	0.0%			1	0.2%	1325	663
Ber Rune	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Jah Rune	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Cham Rune	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Rare	          3 	0.8%	 300.0 	 250 	 9 	1.6%	 147.2 	74
[B]Totals	         363 		 2.5 	 2.1 	 546 		 2.4 	1.2[/B]

Comments:

* Run times are based on 50 secs at Trav and 30 secs at LK. Mine were longer, about 67 secs in Trav (avg of last 229 runs), and 36 secs in LK (assuming 8-11 pops), but I decided to go with optimal times. Enough info is here to run your own numbers.

* "1/xRuns" column is one rune per x runs (i.e. 90 runs before El drops in Trav). "1/xMin." column is one rune per x minutes (i.e. 47 minutes for El drop in LK). The summaries for each rune class are probably most relevant with these indices.

* A slightly higher % of Common rune drops were noted in Trav, particularly for Ort (most common rune overall) and Amn.

* Common runes per run were pretty similar, although overall time savings makes LK about 61% more efficient for those keeping score on the low end.

* Save your Elds. They are now only slightly more common then Lum. Amazingly, Els and Nefs are about the same rarity as Io.

*Re: Semi-Rares. About 1 per 10 runs in Trav and 1 per 8.7 runs in LK. Again, no contest between two based on time (LK is 92% more efficient).

*Re: Rares. This is why we run right? LK wins again, with a Mal+ drop every 147 runs (vs. 1 per 300 in Trav). Per minute, my results in LK were one every 74 minutes v. 1 per 250 minutes in Trav.


Compared to your numbers:

*Common runes: You averaged 1 per 4.0 runs and 2.0 minutes. I did better at 3.5 and 1.7, respectively, but I included 2-4 popables in my numbers. Still, percent of totals are generally with 1-2%, except for Tal and Ort, which are basically reversed.

*Semi-Rare: You averaged 1 per 9.7 runs and 4.9 minutes. Again, I did better but only because of other corpses/chests. Overall, I had better Hel/Pul results, but you Sol/Um.

*Rare: You averaged 1 per 142.9 runs and 71.4 minutes. This was a smidge better then me at 147.2 and 74, respectively. But you did even better per run/minute when you consider I had a Sur & Ist drop from an ancillary chest.
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

EatSleepDiablo said:
This is buried in the LK thread, but here is my results from running LK and Travincal, with a quick comparison with your results:

Code: 
			Minutes	750			Minutes	662.5
			Runs	900			Runs	1325
								
								
			[B]Trav				Lk[/B]	
	         [B]Total 	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.	Total	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.[/B]
El Rune	         10   2.8%	   90  	 75 	14	2.6%	95	47
Eld Rune	 4 	1.1%	 225 	 188 	10	1.8%	133	66
Tir Rune	 24 	6.6%	 38 	 31 	35	6.4%	38	19
Nef Rune	 13 	3.6%	 69 	 58 	16	2.9%	83	41
Eth Rune	 27 	7.4%	 33 	 28 	47	8.6%	28	14
Ith Rune	 21 	5.8%	 43 	 36 	34	6.2%	39	19
Tal Rune	 33 	9.1%	 27 	 23 	60	11.0%	22	11
Ral Rune	 23 	6.3%	 39 	 33 	39	7.1%	34	17
Ort Rune	 53 	14.6%	 17 	 14 	61	11.2%	22	11
Thul Rune	 24 	6.6%	 38 	 31 	35	6.4%	38	19
Amn Rune	 38 	10.5%	 24 	 20 	33	6.0%	40	20
Common	           270 	74.4%	 3.3 	 2.8 	 384 	70.3%	 3.5 	1.7
								
	         [B]Total	     %	1/xRuns	1/xMin.	Total	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.[/B]
Sol Rune	 15 	4.1%	 60 	 50 	32	5.9%	41	21
Shael Rune	 19 	5.2%	 47 	 39 	32	5.9%	41	21
Dol Rune	 12 	3.3%	 75 	 63 	25	4.6%	53	27
Hel Rune	 22 	6.1%	 41 	 34 	18	3.3%	74	37
Io Rune      	 7 	1.9%	 129 	 107 	18	3.3%	74	37
Lum Rune	 4 	1.1%	 225 	 188 	7	1.3%	189	95
Ko Rune      	 3 	0.8%	 300 	 250 	6	1.1%	221	110
Fal Rune	 2 	0.6%	 450 	 375 	5	0.9%	265	133
Lem Rune	 4 	1.1%	 225 	 188 	6	1.1%	221	110
Pul Rune	 2 	0.6%	 450 	 375 	4	0.7%	331	166
Um Rune     	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Semi-Rare	 90 	24.8%	 10.0 	 8.3 	 153 	28.0%	 8.7 	4.3
								
	         [B]Total 	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.	Total	%	1/xRuns	1/xMin.[/B]
Mal Rune	 1 	0.3%	 900 	 750 	1	0.2%	1325	663
Ist Rune	 1 	0.3%	 900 	 750 	3	0.5%	442	221
Gul Rune	 -   	0.0%			2	0.4%	663	331
Vex Rune	 1 	0.3%	 900 	 750 	1	0.2%	1325	663
Ohm Rune	 -   	0.0%			1	0.2%	1325	663
Lo Rune      	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Sur Rune	 -   	0.0%			1	0.2%	1325	663
Ber Rune	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Jah Rune	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Cham Rune	 -   	0.0%			0	0.0%		
Rare	          3 	0.8%	 300.0 	 250 	 9 	1.6%	 147.2 	74
[B]Totals	         363 		 2.5 	 2.1 	 546 		 2.4 	1.2[/B]

Comments:

* Run times are based on 50 secs at Trav and 30 secs at LK. Mine were longer, about 67 secs in Trav (avg of last 229 runs), and 36 secs in LK (assuming 8-11 pops), but I decided to go with optimal times. Enough info is here to run your own numbers.

* "1/xRuns" column is one rune per x runs (i.e. 90 runs before El drops in Trav). "1/xMin." column is one rune per x minutes (i.e. 47 minutes for El drop in LK). The summaries for each rune class are probably most relevant with these indices.

* A slightly higher % of Common rune drops were noted in Trav, particularly for Ort (most common rune overall) and Amn.

* Common runes per run were pretty similar, although overall time savings makes LK about 61% more efficient for those keeping score on the low end.

* Save your Elds. They are now only slightly more common then Lum. Amazingly, Els and Nefs are about the same rarity as Io.

*Re: Semi-Rares. About 1 per 10 runs in Trav and 1 per 8.7 runs in LK. Again, no contest between two based on time (LK is 92% more efficient).

*Re: Rares. This is why we run right? LK wins again, with a Mal+ drop every 147 runs (vs. 1 per 300 in Trav). Per minute, my results in LK were one every 74 minutes v. 1 per 250 minutes in Trav.


Compared to your numbers:

*Common runes: You averaged 1 per 4.0 runs and 2.0 minutes. I did better at 3.5 and 1.7, respectively, but I included 2-4 popables in my numbers. Still, percent of totals are generally with 1-2%, except for Tal and Ort, which are basically reversed.

*Semi-Rare: You averaged 1 per 9.7 runs and 4.9 minutes. Again, I did better but only because of other corpses/chests. Overall, I had better Hel/Pul results, but you Sol/Um.

*Rare: You averaged 1 per 142.9 runs and 71.4 minutes. This was a smidge better then me at 147.2 and 74, respectively. But you did even better per run/minute when you consider I had a Sur & Ist drop from an ancillary chest.
Click to expand...


so, my table formated your way would look like this:
Code: 
total runs = 1000                    
total time [min] = 856                    
total runes = 358                    
Rune    Total %        1/xRun   1/xMin
----------------------------------------
El      12    3.35     83.33     71.33
Eld     1     0.28     1000.00   856.00
Tir     21    5.87     47.62     40.76
Nef     12    3.35     83.33     71.33
Eth     27    7.54     37.04     31.70
Ith     17    4.75     58.82     50.35
Tal     50    13.97    20.00     17.12
Ral     17    4.75     58.82     50.35
Ort     30    8.38     33.33     28.53
Thul    28    7.82     35.71     30.57
Amn     33    9.22     30.30     25.94
Sol     26    7.26     38.46     32.92
Shael   24    6.70     41.67     35.67
Dol     20    5.59     50.00     42.80
Hel     6     1.68     166.67    142.67
Io      6     1.68     166.67    142.67
Lum     8     2.23     125.00    107.00
Ko      6     1.68     166.67    142.67
Fal     4     1.12     250.00    214.00
Lem     1     0.28     1000.00   856.00
Pul     0     0        0         0
Um      2     0.56     500.00    428.00
Mal     4     1.12     250.00    214.00
Ist     1     0.28     1000.00   856.00
Gul     0     0        0
Vex     1     0.28     1000.00   856.00
Ohm     0     0        0         0          
Lo      0     0        0         0
Sur     1     0.28     1000.00   856.00
Ber     0     0        0         0
----------------------------------------
Total   358            2.79      2.39

EatSleepDiablo said:
Ort (most common rune overall)
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so it's not just my imagination ?
Ort realy is the new El ? :)

I am hoping that more peole will post their results about special chests only, so we can make some sort of comparison and average out values based on larger amount of runs.
1K runs ain't bad, but 10+K runs would sure mean more accurate results, statisticaly looking.
the more the merrier :thumbup:


 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

@Chizra I can say that at 500.. Ort is sitting in first for me as well.

also @Chizra, I wonder if there's a way to do that on Open Office's Calc.. I lost my microsoft office a while back.


edit: I'm just going to use yours lol
 
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Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

Double post, -1 me.

500 runs in and I'm doing pretty amazingly. Including 2 Sur's from random bodies, although the chart is only super chests.
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

quite decent :)
I am doing /p5 now, and in 300 runs already got Sur, 2 Puls, Um and Lem :]
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

Curses!@@#!

run 415 on /p5 and I missclick and go to NM.
lost my map... but after few rerrols I got even better one, now I am able to do a full run within 34-36 seconds if not much spam.
but still, it shook me to loose my lovely map...
 
Re: 1000 LK runs in 1.13

I'm done 400 runs on P7 and only an Um to show. I was doing better before I started keeping count! Grrrrrrr.

I will have a fancy spreadsheet when I'm done and will post it up here.
 
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