Final Fantasy Forum Mafia Game Thread

Noodle, any reason you have decided to not vote once this entire game? Why would you have no desire to cast a vote?

Because I haven't felt strongly enough about anyone to cast my vote. I don't vote just because I can. I wouldn't say I don't have any desire to cast a vote, but rather that I haven't seen enough to make me want to vote.
 
OK, I think we should figure out how everything stands. My summary looks like this:

DK

BPC - no flip
Drixx - noflip

Modkill
Leo - town dragoon
Vorle - town squire

Lynch
Gory - town squire

NK
CG - no flip
Pyro - no flip
Valhauros - no flip

Crawling Deadman - no flip

Killed in End of Day Post
Gwaihir - no flip

Does somebody care to verify I have my facts straight?

There are three guaranteed dead townies. Now if we make an assumption that maybe half of the seven other dead players were town then that would bring the total dead townies to 6 or 7. Of course that's just a guess.

Given that 11 of the original 21 are still playing, that means roughly half of the original total group of players have been eliminated. If my guess holds true then the number of town people killed would represent over half of those who are dead, or over 1/4 of the original total group of players.

What percentage of the starting group of players would have been town? I have only played one game before so I'm not really sure how ratios usually work. Obviously we'll only be able to guess, but I'm just trying to get my head around the current lay of the land.

Also, do you guys have any suggestions about a better way to think of things?

Yeah, your deceased player summary looks right. Man that's depressing. Of the players we got no flip from, the vast majority of them were probably town. Including Gwaihir's apparent poisoning as a night kill, it looks like there were probably 2 mafia night kills, 2 Vig/SK (my hunch is that it's a SK) night kills, 1 night kill from one of them, and 2 day kills (Moar on Drixx on BPC).

BPC was probably town. If Drixx was mafia he wouldn't have killed one of his own or if he was town he wouldn't have acted so bummed, but we don't know what he was. Then there were 2-3 SK kills. I think Numbers is right, around a quarter (or slightly less) of players are scum in most games afaik. It's possible the SK got whacked last night, but unless the SK has been really good/lucky, the mafia has statistically only lost one person at the most (2-3 kills * 25%), not including Drixx. If Drixx really was mafia (fingers crossed) that bumps it up to 1-2 mafias.

Others may have more experience at this sort of analysis than I, but that's my take on the situation.
 
Well, I said I wouldn't claim until Gory was dead...

My name is Templeton. I'm a Dancer, Town, and I had a 1 shot ability called Nameless Dance. It was a night action that had a 50% chance of disrupting each anti-town action taken the night it was used. I used it on N1, but it apparently didn't stop any kills. I don't know if anything was stopped at all, I didn't get any feedback. After that, I haven't had anything special to do. :(

The nature of it led me to the conclusion that mafia must have multiple things it can do at night, so I figure they are all or mostly PRs. Since we obviously have 2 killing factions, the wording of the ability makes me think they are both anti-town, otherwise, I would think it would have just said mafia instead of anti-town.

Why do you think we obviously have 2 killing factions?
 
Well Gory didn't do himself any favors that's for sure. Being lynched as a tight lipped vanilla does very little good and I have no idea why he didn't claim at some point (other than not being around of course).

I am leaning towards voting for Moar, but don't think we need that many on her this quickly. I would be shocked if there wasn't at least 1 scum on the gory train.
I'm genuinely surprised at his flip. He was playing really strange. When he and I have both been town, I feel really good about him. Not this time. I dunno, what a shame.

Unless something more obvious pops up, Moar would be a logical lynch. Either her or Drixx were scum I'm pretty sure, lynching her would finally settle it. I've still been a little leary of that Ice spell claim.

Interesting that we are back to one kill tonight, it makes me think some mafia have been killed via crossfire of some sort with all of these deaths. Wether or not that's two mafia groups, vigilantes or SK, IDK , but it's just a hunch.
I started to list out the possibilities, but there's tons. I think we definitely have 2 killing factions, I'm thinking a SK. 2 mafias are really rare, aren't they? Well, there was that ONE incident... ;)

If they didn't both target CDM or one get blocked, one pet theory of mine is that the other kill could have been another poison attack. N1 was NK/Poison, N2 was NK/NK, N3 was NK/?. I've seen SKs that have every-other-day patterns. It's just a hair-brain theory atm, but I'm a little nervous about day end. :\

This is an interesting post. I agree with Squire not being a freebie for town (when has the generic town role ever been given a free pass?), but has anyone posted enough to have strong reads in any direction on anyone? That's what peaked me is you intentionally saying that you are trying to fly under the radar.
Apparently, that was misguided on my part. I was extrapolating from my power description, but maybe too much now that I think about it.

lol, I didn't even catch the "how do you know, I've been lurking!" part...
 
Because I haven't felt strongly enough about anyone to cast my vote. I don't vote just because I can. I wouldn't say I don't have any desire to cast a vote, but rather that I haven't seen enough to make me want to vote.
Aren't you two suppose to be killing each other or something?


The only other time I've played this game I was on the mafia team so this time around I've just really not known what to do. I'm trying to see if summarizing information would help me to understand things a bit more.

I started making the summary for myself but I decided to post it here to check if things are right, get some feedback, and contribute more to the general discussion.
I've found doing that to be helpful myself. I like listing things out too, as I've demonstrated before. ;) If you don't have anything better to post, it's better than just sitting on your hands.
 
Why do you think we obviously have 2 killing factions?
Well, I've never played a game where mafia got to kill twice every night, and something different happened last night. Only one faction left, a double targeting, a kill was blocked, another NK/Poison, etc. I guess it's not set in stone, but seems more likely than an alternative. Normally when mafia has multiple killing methods, they can only do one a night, right? That's been my experience.

What are your thoughts on the situation?
 
To be honest I think I am the most suspicious of Techno and BA. Techno because of this post (particularly in relation to me). He states
"I haven't had any scum read from JCakes, so I'm leaning toward believing his claim." I don't think I've posted enough for anyone to really have a read on me in either direction. It feels to me an attempt to get close to someone that he knows is town for more town cred. The other bit that strikes me somewhat is the comment about BA "I've been on the fence about BA, but the Squire read from JCakes lends some credibility." The Squire read in no way shows BA to be town, in fact I think it is very likely there are some mafia squires around. Finally no claim yesterday while posting quite a bit and querying who my N1 target was (Frod did this as well) raises some alarms. Also he capatilises the C in Jcakes which is an obv scum tell.

I'll query a bit more (whatever that means), thank you. So why did you not get/tell about an N1 result?

My name is Templeton. I'm a Dancer, Town, and I had a 1 shot ability called Nameless Dance. It was a night action that had a 50% chance of disrupting each anti-town action taken the night it was used. I used it on N1, but it apparently didn't stop any kills. I don't know if anything was stopped at all, I didn't get any feedback. After that, I haven't had anything special to do. :(

The nature of it led me to the conclusion that mafia must have multiple things it can do at night, so I figure they are all or mostly PRs. Since we obviously have 2 killing factions, the wording of the ability makes me think they are both anti-town, otherwise, I would think it would have just said mafia instead of anti-town.

As for the lack of my claim: I didn't claim yesterday for several reasons. First of all, I think it was too early for a mass claim, especially in a game where name/job apparently isn't closely tied to alignment AND where town's investigative PRs have only had two nights to receive results. Second of all, me claiming adds no info except for obvious name/job/ability which, given the nature of my role, I would like to withhold for now. Depending on how everything plays out, I may and may not claim later this dayphase.
 
Well, I've never played a game where mafia got to kill twice every night, and something different happened last night. Only one faction left, a double targeting, a kill was blocked, another NK/Poison, etc. I guess it's not set in stone, but seems more likely than an alternative. Normally when mafia has multiple killing methods, they can only do one a night, right? That's been my experience.

What are your thoughts on the situation?

Well, there's only been one extra NK. There were 3 day kills effectively, gwai dying could have been caused by any number of things. I think your suspicion and wariness about there possibly being multiple factions with kills is reasonable, however the simple fact that we saw two day vig shots makes me feel more inclined to think that there are simply multiple limited kill shots available to different classes, and likely in both factions. We can only be relatively certain that 1 kill every night has come from scum.
 
I just think Drixx and Moar cannot both be on the same team. I can't extrapolate anything from people rehashing and multi quoting. Drixx and Moar both actually did something, which is concrete. They can't be on the same team. I know there's probably more than two teams, but I just don't have anything else to go on. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. So my vote stands.
 
I just think Drixx and Moar cannot both be on the same team. I can't extrapolate anything from people rehashing and multi quoting. Drixx and Moar both actually did something, which is concrete. They can't be on the same team. I know there's probably more than two teams, but I just don't have anything else to go on. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. So my vote stands.

The problem is you say stuff like this like you know or have inside information. Have all game.

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The problem is you say stuff like this like you know or have inside information. Have all game.

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Well, I don't. It just doesn't make sense to me otherwise. Obviously anyone can and does lie and Moar seems to think Drixx was lying. And she could very well be right. Or not. I'm getting a headache. :coffee:
 
Freaking bad day at work. Forgot there was a 3 hour meeting today for all of us. After one hour I wanted to shoot 4 of them and after two hours the rest too. The third hour was pain and torture. I hate such stuff! Wasn't in the mood to read this and post here before after dinner and a couple of drinks.

From her posting after Drixx and my DK's I thought Goldtrue is scum. I have changed my opinion on that now. Her posting today was less "glibberish" than before. She actually managed to write 2 posts without flirtacious kind of unecessary stuff. (I know that's your style and bubbly personality, no harm meant, it's just not my kind of thing. Like flubby has his thing too. And I don't understand a word he says.)

So now I am kind of at a loss. I'd like to hear more from numbers. Like why no claim and your reason. I might have missed it though. Not too sharp tonight.
 
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