Zombies invade Atlantis. Stargate zombie Mafia game.

[Drixx]

Unvote: CoolGuyBad

You check out, I've been told that you are not currently a zombie.

Apparently you only clear your zombie friends?

I think the most basic rule of mafia is in play here. We have a confirmed anti-town. This business of letting someone "cure" him is silly talk. The whole "I give up" post by DJ followed by the convenient roles that can cure and find zombies is just too much. DJ needs to go today. All the rest of this nonsense is just that: NON sense.

Unvote: Jcakes
Vote: DJ

BA can check out Jcakes or CBG and if he makes it through the night can let us know for sure but this seems like a play by team zombie to try and make it into the endgame. DJ has been on the potential target list for a couple days, and the whole thing feels staged. DJ posts a give up post and then gives us a bunch of info that we obviously cannot take at face value (including that the zombies had no ability to talk to each other and no ability to infect/recruit) and then along comes a zombie curer and a zombie finder. It has been sort of amusing to see this day unfold, but it's time to get serious now.

Find scum and kill it. That's the rule.

 

[Bad Ash]

I think we should have a decent plan in place, but we should leave a little WIFOM in terms of who Laarz is going to be protecting. I don't want a straight forward plan for him. If he doc saved BPC last night, his options are wide open and let's leave it that way and agree on a couple of options. It's also troubling that the kill went through on BPC and I have no idea what to make of that.

 

[Jcakes1]

Only problem, is that I still don't know if you are mafia or town. I don't think we can risk keeping DJ alive. I think I'd rather lynch DJ then risk CGB being mafia and not save DJ.

Vote: Barbie

Apparently you only clear your zombie friends?

I think the most basic rule of mafia is in play here. We have a confirmed anti-town. This business of letting someone "cure" him is silly talk. The whole "I give up" post by DJ followed by the convenient roles that can cure and find zombies is just too much. DJ needs to go today. All the rest of this nonsense is just that: NON sense.

Unvote: Jcakes
Vote: DJ

BA can check out Jcakes or CBG and if he makes it through the night can let us know for sure but this seems like a play by team zombie to try and make it into the endgame. DJ has been on the potential target list for a couple days, and the whole thing feels staged. DJ posts a give up post and then gives us a bunch of info that we obviously cannot take at face value (including that the zombies had no ability to talk to each other and no ability to infect/recruit) and then along comes a zombie curer and a zombie finder. It has been sort of amusing to see this day unfold, but it's time to get serious now.

Find scum and kill it. That's the rule.

Exactly my thought and the reason I voted for DJ (see post above). Also I can't possibly clear anyone else as he was the person I grabbed. I explained why I chose to investigate him.
Who would you investigate in my position?

One thing we need to be careful with is mafia, we've lynched one mafia and one zombie (and we know that DJ is a zombie). We started with 21 players, I'd expect from a balance perspective around about 6-7 anti-town. I'd expect 3-4 of each team. If zombies can recruit maybe less of them. If we lynch DJ that means we likely have 2-3 mafia left and 0-2 zombies out of 11 people.

Also I must have missed your claim (I am guessing it is hidden in a WoT somewhere ), when did you actually role claim?

 

[Drixx]

Also I must have missed your claim (I am guessing it is hidden in a WoT somewhere ), when did you actually role claim?

Post #1111 - It wasn't really a wall of text by my usual standards. I am Paul Emerson and sadly I lack any special powers. I kind of have to wonder if you paid much attention to me today since I offered to be the hammer vote on DJ just in case he has zombie bomb or something that will take someone out with him. Losing me is just losing a confirmed (by BA) vanilla. Not a huge loss so long as we win.

 

[Jcakes1]

Post #1111 - It wasn't really a wall of text by my usual standards. I am Paul Emerson and sadly I lack any special powers. I kind of have to wonder if you paid much attention to me today since I offered to be the hammer vote on DJ just in case he has zombie bomb or something that will take someone out with him. Losing me is just losing a confirmed (by BA) vanilla. Not a huge loss so long as we win.

It's odd I read that post twice and missed the role claim .....

 

[Jcakes1]

1. Laarz-doc Carolyn Lam (SG1)
2. Bad Ash-role cop Bates (Atlantis)
3. djmbbandie-zombie No Name
4. flubbucket- Post Restriction - Tealc (SG1)
5. AnnualAntAnswers- VT - Major Lorne (Atlantis)
6. CoolguyBad-medic(zombie curing) - Tamara Johansen (SGU)
7. Jcakes - Zombie Finder - Daniel Jackson (SG1)
8. Moar - ascends if lynched, town - Rodney McKay (Atlantis)
9. Drixx-vt - Paul Emerson (SG1)
10. korialstraz-android guy, town - Harlan (SG1)
11. IWantToUseNumbersInMyName-vig - Ronald Geers (SGU)

Just added names (and what version of SG they appear in). Kind of curious if I could see a pattern. A lot of minorish characters claimed. I had to look up most of them in the wiki despite having seen SG mutliple times. The only ones that stood in my mind are Laarz's character, My character, Flubbs character and Moar.

 

[Jcakes1]

Apparently you only clear your zombie friends?

I think the most basic rule of mafia is in play here. We have a confirmed anti-town. This business of letting someone "cure" him is silly talk. The whole "I give up" post by DJ followed by the convenient roles that can cure and find zombies is just too much. DJ needs to go today. All the rest of this nonsense is just that: NON sense.

Unvote: Jcakes
Vote: DJ

BA can check out Jcakes or CBG and if he makes it through the night can let us know for sure but this seems like a play by team zombie to try and make it into the endgame. DJ has been on the potential target list for a couple days, and the whole thing feels staged. DJ posts a give up post and then gives us a bunch of info that we obviously cannot take at face value (including that the zombies had no ability to talk to each other and no ability to infect/recruit) and then along comes a zombie curer and a zombie finder. It has been sort of amusing to see this day unfold, but it's time to get serious now.

Find scum and kill it. That's the rule.

I also have one question for you. You appear to be obsessed with zombies and zombie related claims, you say that you suspect that Me, barbie, CGB and pharphis were all one team. Who do you think are mafia? You seem to implicitly trust BA and I am not sure why. The fact that he apparently knew that Laarz was the doctor and BPC ends up dead through doctor protection is not a concern to you at all?

 

[Jcakes1]

Protected
N1 CG
N2 kestegs
N3 BPC
N4 CG
N5 Laarz
N6 BPC

Investigated:
N1: Drixx
N2: Noodle
N3: Laarz
N4: Numbers
N5: Moar
N6: DJ

Deaths:
N1: Zokar
N2: Sath, Gwaihir (killed by numbers)
N3: Goryani (night after BPC revealed himself)
N4: No one (BPC protected by Korial)
N5: kestegs
N6: BPC (through protection)

Ok now I realise why I was confused, for some reason I dropped a night somewhere (I forgot about Zokar dieing). If BA found Laarz on N3 and is scum, Laarz or BPC should have died atleast one night earlier (N5). That said my point still stands that BA could be changing the order of his investigations.

 

[Bad Ash]

Protected
N1 CG
N2 kestegs
N3 BPC
N4 CG
N5 Laarz
N6 BPC

Investigated:
N1: Drixx
N2: Noodle
N3: Laarz
N4: Numbers
N5: Moar
N6: DJ

Deaths:
N1: Zokar
N2: Sath, Gwaihir (killed by numbers)
N3: Goryani (night after BPC revealed himself)
N4: No one (BPC protected by Korial)
N5: kestegs
N6: BPC (through protection)

Ok now I realise why I was confused, for some reason I dropped a night somewhere (I forgot about Zokar dieing). If BA found Laarz on N3 and is scum, Laarz or BPC should have died atleast one night earlier (N5). That said my point still stands that BA could be changing the order of his investigations.

You are earning townie points with me because I would be asking the same questions if I was town. The only thing I can say is that I investigated based off how the game unfolded. I wasn't hunting for roles, I was reacting to things that seemed off to me. When I investigated Laarz he had just received the voting stick from someone I deemed scum and I was highly intrigued by the possibilites. I thought for sure that if goryani was scum he'd give the stick to a townie and that it would be extremely bold to give it to his team mate. This made me want to know more and dictated my targets based on my reads on people.

 

[Jcakes1]

You are earning townie points with me because I would be asking the same questions if I was town. The only thing I can say is that I investigated based off how the game unfolded. I wasn't hunting for roles, I was reacting to things that seemed off to me. When I investigated Laarz he had just received the voting stick from someone I deemed scum and I was highly intrigued by the possibilites. I thought for sure that if goryani was scum he'd give the stick to a townie and that it would be extremely bold to give it to his team mate. This made me want to know more and dictated my targets based on my reads on people.

It is kind of funny, I keep going back and forth on you. I felt sure that you were scum based on the reveals, but your responses have been very convincing .... The thing that concerns me is that Drixx seems to believe you 100% without question, that just feels a little off to me. That and the fact that you investigated Drixx, makes me believe there is a connection between you.

@BA of the players left who do you think are mafia? Who do you think are zombies?

Question for everyone, do you know how TC handles vanilla mafia (goons) and role cops? Does he reveal them as goons or as vanilla? I seem to recall a discussion about this and I think Gory was saying he'd reveal them as Vanilla, can't remember what side of the fence TC is on.

 

[Drixx]

I also have one question for you. You appear to be obsessed with zombies and zombie related claims, you say that you suspect that Me, barbie, CGB and pharphis were all one team. Who do you think are mafia? You seem to implicitly trust BA and I am not sure why. The fact that he apparently knew that Laarz was the doctor and BPC ends up dead through doctor protection is not a concern to you at all?

The day began with a zombie who wasn't yet under any real pressure making a claim. The only thing that is believable about his claim is that he's a zombie. The rest of it seems like it should not be believed. Then suddenly we have people claiming to be zombie detectors and zombie curers. Pardon me if the sudden trio of people all coming forward with zombie related info caught my attention.

I think that if BA was a scum investigator it would be ridiculously foolish of him to admit finding the doctor days ago. It also begs the question of why the doctor and the other cop stayed alive so long. I would expect a scum investigator to adjust the investigation days and put the doctor find just last night. If the list had come out that way, I would be much more skeptical.

See my earlier skepticism of BPC and what I said then. I tend not to believe any claims at face value without thinking them through. At the present moment, BA's claim seems more likely to be legit than not.

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Ok now I realise why I was confused, for some reason I dropped a night somewhere (I forgot about Zokar dieing). If BA found Laarz on N3 and is scum, Laarz or BPC should have died atleast one night earlier (N5). That said my point still stands that BA could be changing the order of his investigations.

He could be for sure ... but why do so in a way that implicates him as being potential scum and possibly the reason the doc didn't save BPC last night?

 

[Jcakes1]

The day began with a zombie who wasn't yet under any real pressure making a claim. The only thing that is believable about his claim is that he's a zombie. The rest of it seems like it should not be believed. Then suddenly we have people claiming to be zombie detectors and zombie curers. Pardon me if the sudden trio of people all coming forward with zombie related info caught my attention.

Fair call, but could you atleast answer my question and tell me who you think are mafia? It feels to me you are trying to distract town from discussions about mafia to discussions about Zombies.

I think that if BA was a scum investigator it would be ridiculously foolish of him to admit finding the doctor days ago. It also begs the question of why the doctor and the other cop stayed alive so long. I would expect a scum investigator to adjust the investigation days and put the doctor find just last night. If the list had come out that way, I would be much more skeptical.

Why skeptical one way and not the other?

See my earlier skepticism of BPC and what I said then. I tend not to believe any claims at face value without thinking them through. At the present moment, BA's claim seems more likely to be legit than not.



He could be for sure ... but why do so in a way that implicates him as being potential scum and possibly the reason the doc didn't save BPC last night?

Here is the thing, you were skeptical of BPC, yet when BA claims you appear to take everything he says at face value and instantly defend him / attack me for questioning him. That doesn't seem odd to you?

 

[Drixx]

The thing that concerns me is that Drixx seems to believe you 100% without question, that just feels a little off to me.

Who said I believe BA without question? There are some definite question marks and BA being a mafia investigator could explain why BPC died last night, but it requires the scum team to also have a role blocker or a strongman. If they had a roleblocker, why wouldn't they have blocked BPC at some point? If they had a strongman, why did BPC live so long? The ways in which BA's claim could answer the question of BPC's death just raise more questions and so I don't find enough in his claim to suspect or to fully believe. Until we see what he can produce going forward, I don't think we can know, and since he didn't give us any likely scum to kill to test him, the best thing to do with him is wait and see.

If he shows up dead tomorrow it will certainly say a lot. If he doesn't and he can't give the role of someone alive who can confirm, then that will cast a lot of doubt on him in my mind. If he co-incidentally investigates someone who shows up dead, that will likewise put a lot of doubt in my mind. I'm more of a tentative believe him and see if his claim holds up than "100% without question".

You want to know what I believe you less? I don't see evidence in the thread of you zombie hunting all game. The way you claim your ability works, I would expect you to have been quite a lot more active in the thread so that you could test as many people as possible, and yet you haven't been. It's a simple case of what you claim is both convenient (with DJ's claim and CBG's claim to be able to cure) and not well supported by the rest of the game prior to your claim.

Question for everyone, do you know how TC handles vanilla mafia (goons) and role cops? Does he reveal them as goons or as vanilla? I seem to recall a discussion about this and I think Gory was saying he'd reveal them as Vanilla, can't remember what side of the fence TC is on.

No idea, but the implication here is that I am a vanilla mafia? I am in the unfortunate position of having nothing special to claim in a game that seems nearly full to the brim with roles. The only thing I can say that you might consider is that it seems like the town has an exceptional amount of power roles. How likely would a vanilla scum be in such a powerful town setup? However you answer that question will have a lot to do with what kind of odds you think there are of me being a vanilla scum instead of town.


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I'm not sure where the votes are now, but I personally think it's considerably safer to take DJ out than to trust that CBG can cure him. Even if CBG is being totally honest, there's no way to know whether DJ can be cured or not, according to what CBG told us. We've gone down a number of rabbit trails today but at the end of the day we have someone who admitted they are a zombie sitting there and he needs killing.

 

[Jcakes1]

Compare the two responses to a cop claim. In one case (where the cop reveals two anti-town people) you go through all the different scenarios before voting. In the second cop claim you take everything he says for granted and then when I point out it is possible mafia have an investigator and how it could you immediately come to his defense. It just seems odd that you'd be a little suspicious of one cop claim and the other one later in the game (who provides no info to prove his case) you immediately believe ..... IDK just seems a little bit contradictory to me.

Not in the least. Any claim to actual evidence you might put forth would simply be a fiction and even if I then died, you would be next. I was more interested in what from my posts made you so certain. Share or not, as you like.



I suppose two non-town results is a good thing to give us, but I'm trying to figure out why you felt like you needed to claim right now when you could potentially have brought us three tomorrow, or two and a confirmed townie. You hadn't given off even a hint of cop vibe all game prior to this post. I actually had someone else noted as "cop?" because of a couple things they said.

I'm also confused by the assertion that you have been allowed to investigate more than once per night. That seems broken as far as balance is concerned, and now that you've claimed, there seems to be little reason to withhold the mechanic that gave you extra investigations.

Assuming we have a doctor, and said doctor is not dead, and said doctor didn't target you last night (all fairly safe premises I think), then you should live tonight and be around tomorrow, so I understand why you aren't giving out any townies you found yet, but I don't see any reason to imply that you are some sort of super cop and then give a point for people to stick on.

I mean it's pretty easy to test you, but that bit in your claim about having had more than the expected 2 investigations seems unnecessary. It's like how when someone constructs a fiction they often add in extra details to make it seem real, but when someone's telling the truth they often leave out details. It seems completely unnecessary to tell us that. I would expect you as a cop to post a much shorter post given us the two non-town results. The long post with extra detail feels a bit off.

The biggest danger in testing you is that we kill a town power role (Pyro) in exchange for getting you tomorrow. If you're telling the truth you are essentially trading your life to take 2+ non-town out, so it seems like the best move is to believe you and vote for Pryo while wondering about the strange claim.

Vote: Pyrotechnician

I'll gladly do the Jcakes test but that doesn't really clear me since we've got a zombie confirming two factions. I suspected it from the moment we saw different terminology for Pharphis and Pyro. It's possible that DJ could just be trying to use the speculation on my part (and some other folks) to "confirm" 2 factions but there's really only one?

I had started to doubt myself on two factions because the only extra kill we've seen all game was claimed by a claimed vigilante who I didn't believe at first but as the game has continued I've begun to believe and now we have a claimed rolecop confirming him. So it appears as if the zombies, if they are a 2nd anti-town faction, have never killed anyone. Then DJ says they can't spread the zombie plague either ... so what is their function? They don't kill and they don't spread zombie plague?

DJ's post leaps off the screen for a lot of reasons. He was under no real pressure at the time, and certainly not enough for a "The town is gonna win, I give up, my only regret is..." kind of post he made. If he's being honest about 2 factions, then why only one kill every night except the vig kill night? If he's being honest about the zombies not having an "awesome night infection power" ... then what exactly was their win condition? The whole thing just doesn't add up or make sense.

@BA - I don't blame you for being hesitant to out the doc. It would have been a little better if you had made your list and just noted that you know who the doc is but didn't want to out them, prior to most of us claiming, but it is what it is. I think your investigations are pretty solid.

This doesn't add up. Why did BPC live so long if this is the case?




Actually alignment and role are two very different flavors of investigator. BPC was a traditional cop who gets alignment. BA has claimed rolecop which is given role but not alignment. In a game with two anti-town factions, one of which can recruit if we believe CoolBadGuy, it kinda makes sense for the town to have power roles.

I find it ironic that you are throwing suspicion on BA while claiming an investigative role of your own.



Laying it on just a bit thick here. I found the DJ/CBG/Jcakes connection a bit contrived earlier but you've managed to be just scummy enough to get me suspicious.

Vote: Jcakes

 

[Jcakes1]

You want to know what I believe you less? I don't see evidence in the thread of you zombie hunting all game. The way you claim your ability works, I would expect you to have been quite a lot more active in the thread so that you could test as many people as possible, and yet you haven't been. It's a simple case of what you claim is both convenient (with DJ's claim and CBG's claim to be able to cure) and not well supported by the rest of the game prior to your claim.

Here is the thing, until recently i was working full time ~ 50+ hrs/week. I quit my job and I am now unemployed and hence my activity has increased somewhat. You'll note that I was fairly active on weekends previously and then would drop off during the week. For the record here is my investigation list

D1: Flubbucket - I can never read him
D2: I was going to go for Antswers, but was waiting for him to come online, then BPC caim out with the proof and I couldn't really go against the train without making it look dodgy.
D3: Numbers was curious by his vigi claim, again tried to entice him to quote by posting a question asking for his name with the vote in the same post.
D4: CG (I made a post asking him a question to entice him to quote so I could determine if he was a Zombie and potentially convince other people)
D5: I went for Flubb again, felt like he has been ultra lurky. Did it as a one post vote to see if I'd get an early quote out of him.

 

[Drixx]

Fair call, but could you atleast answer my question and tell me who you think are mafia? It feels to me you are trying to distract town from discussions about mafia to discussions about Zombies.

We have zombie to kill and fracturing ourselves over who to kill tomorrow doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'm kind of hoping that BA will ferret out another scum or zombie for us to kill honestly.

You have asked me several times for who I think might be scum, and given the number of people alive it's obvious that somebody isn't being honest (big shocker, amirite?). Let me borrow your list from post #1186:

1. Laarz-doc Carolyn Lam (SG1)
2. Bad Ash-role cop Bates (Atlantis)
3. djmbbandie-zombie No Name
4. flubbucket- Post Restriction - Tealc (SG1)
5. AnnualAntAnswers- VT - Major Lorne (Atlantis)
6. CoolguyBad-medic(zombie curing) - Tamara Johansen (SGU)
7. Jcakes - Zombie Finder - Daniel Jackson (SG1)
8. Moar - ascends if lynched, town - Rodney McKay (Atlantis)
9. Drixx-vt - Paul Emerson (SG1)
10. korialstraz-android guy, town - Harlan (SG1)
11. IWantToUseNumbersInMyName-vig - Ronald Geers (SGU)

We don't know which anti-town faction killed on which night, so there's some limitation to what kind of reasonable estimates we can make on remaining anti-town. I would suspect anywhere from 2-4. From that list the following I think we can consider 100% confirmed:

Laarz - Doctor
DJ - Zombie

After that we're into taking people at their word territory. Moar was pegged as townie by a BPC investigation, but Moar also claims to not actually have an alignment right now and will ascend upon death (or maybe just lynch?). Could be a godfather read from BPC, so there's enough inconsistency that we can't even really put Moar in the confirmed category.

Numbers claimed vig, and probably actually is vigilante, but we've seen vigilante as scum before, so believing his claim doesn't necessarily put him town.

Flubbucket claims to be a major character with an odd post restriction, which would scream scum to me if it wasn't for CG also having a negative only role (that we know of ... it's possible there's more he kept hidden that we didn't see).

AAA has given us his name and I believe claimed vanilla. (you have him as such on your list, but I didn't go re-read to check). Possible scum.

CBG played a lot of follow the leader this game then suddenly when a zombie shows up and makes a really odd claim today decides to claim he can cure zombies ... but only some of them ... and he has no idea if it works or not. Suspect claim. Possible scum.

Jcakes is you, and you claim to be a major character and a zombie finder, but the way you describe your role working makes me think you should have been posting a lot more so that people would quote you a lot more. Claim doesn't quite line up with how you've played the game. 50/50 on you atm. I would have leaned more town but your response to my vote on you has been a bit over the top.

Drixx is me, and I gave my name and have no ability. Anything I say in my defense is WIFOM so I direct you back to my gameplay and invite you to make your own mind up.

Korialstraz was able to make someone into a robot (claimed a one shot). Used the ability on BPC which earns townie points, but the role itself isn't necessarily something that has to be townie. We've seen scum use their roles to benefit town to get strong town cred before. I'd say 75-80% sure Korial is town though.


I hope that was thorough enough for you?

Why skeptical one way and not the other?

I went through much the same mental process when I considered BA's claim as I did when I was considering BPC's, only I didn't put a stream of consciousness post in the game when I did so. I believe it was Laarz who pointed out that when I make a post thinking through someone's claim, I'm really just covering ground most everyone else does on their own. Me taking solid advice on playing better does not mean I stopped evaluating claims from a position of skepticism.

Here is the thing, you were skeptical of BPC, yet when BA claims you appear to take everything he says at face value and instantly defend him / attack me for questioning him. That doesn't seem odd to you?

I've already responded to this accusation on your part. That you ignored my response and just made the same accusation again doesn't make me any more apt to believe you. I attacked you for your convenient claim that doesn't line up with your play and for what I saw as a poor case against BA's claim that was easily shot down. I gave a simple counter to your argument against his claim simply to demonstrate that it was flawed.

You have mistaken my response to you trying to get a train going on anyone besides DJ as a defense of BA rather than what it is: an attack on your play. The only smart move today, in the absence of any other known scum, is to kill the scum we do know and let tomorrow be tomorrow. As I pointed out above, the vast majority of the claims in the game right now are suspect.

Compare the two responses to a cop claim. In one case (where the cop reveals two anti-town people) you go through all the different scenarios before voting. In the second cop claim you take everything he says for granted and then when I point out it is possible mafia have an investigator and how it could you immediately come to his defense. It just seems odd that you'd be a little suspicious of one cop claim and the other one later in the game (who provides no info to prove his case) you immediately believe ..... IDK just seems a little bit contradictory to me.

See above. I was told that it wasn't really necessary for me to walk step by step through my thoughts on someone's claim since most people evaluate claims on their own. In fact, that post I made thinking through the BPC claim got me quite a few scum points. Ironic that I changed and did my thinking without posting my thought process, and the lack of a long post weighing the claim is now viewed as scummy.

Go Go wall of text!


Also, as far as your reason for not posting a lot earlier to use your ability, I have no comment on your reasons. The game is the game and life is life. I am sorry to hear that you've become unemployed though.

 

[korialstraz]

I was working on a post and it got eaten.

It's been interesting to step back a bit and watch stuff unfold.

Town might actually win this one....

As most of you by now have concluded, I'm a zombie. That is the only way that I know that there are at least two anti-town factions.

The only thing I was really bummed about this game was that zombies didn't have a QT and that we didn't have an awesome night infection power...

Vote: djmbbandie

Djm's claim seems... well strange. Why the heck just give up like that? It doesn't make sense. Unless he either has an ability that'll activate when he is lynched, or... he's creating a smokescreen to help out his allies in hiding. Either way he has to be dealt with.

I do find it interesting that no one pointed out his slip though. He says he is bummed that the zombies didn't have a QT and that they don't have a night power. He also claimed just a regular old zombie. So how does he know that zombies don't have night powers without a QT?


As for the rest. Let's say we believe BA's claim, it means we got 6 confirmed townies. With 5 unknown left, I don't like those odds. Especially if we think there is a recruiting faction, in which case no one is confirmed anymore. But it would seem like the most reasonable option would be to lynch djm.

 

[korialstraz]

I have to admit, this is the point where I start to become useless. Far too little experience to make educated guesses. >_>

 

[Drixx]

I have to admit, this is the point where I start to become useless. Far too little experience to make educated guesses. >_>

You may have missed it but I did point out that DJ's entire post was misinformation. You aren't giving yourself enough credit, as you were able to spot the specific giveaway in his post that tipped it. You are looking for what people know or claim to know that is inconsistent with what they should know or claim they should know. This is where most slips happen. I would say you're doing fine and I hope you keep playing

 

[Jcakes1]

We have zombie to kill and fracturing ourselves over who to kill tomorrow doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'm kind of hoping that BA will ferret out another scum or zombie for us to kill honestly.

For what its worth I think we should be lynching DJ today, but often what happens in cases like this (when we have an obvious lynch) conversation stops. I wanted to point out that BA's claim isn't necessarily solid.

You have asked me several times for who I think might be scum, and given the number of people alive it's obvious that somebody isn't being honest (big shocker, amirite?). Let me borrow your list from post #1186:

We don't know which anti-town faction killed on which night, so there's some limitation to what kind of reasonable estimates we can make on remaining anti-town. I would suspect anywhere from 2-4. From that list the following I think we can consider 100% confirmed:

Laarz - Doctor
DJ - Zombie

After that we're into taking people at their word territory. Moar was pegged as townie by a BPC investigation, but Moar also claims to not actually have an alignment right now and will ascend upon death (or maybe just lynch?). Could be a godfather read from BPC, so there's enough inconsistency that we can't even really put Moar in the confirmed category.

Numbers claimed vig, and probably actually is vigilante, but we've seen vigilante as scum before, so believing his claim doesn't necessarily put him town.

Flubbucket claims to be a major character with an odd post restriction, which would scream scum to me if it wasn't for CG also having a negative only role (that we know of ... it's possible there's more he kept hidden that we didn't see).

AAA has given us his name and I believe claimed vanilla. (you have him as such on your list, but I didn't go re-read to check). Possible scum.

CBG played a lot of follow the leader this game then suddenly when a zombie shows up and makes a really odd claim today decides to claim he can cure zombies ... but only some of them ... and he has no idea if it works or not. Suspect claim. Possible scum.

Jcakes is you, and you claim to be a major character and a zombie finder, but the way you describe your role working makes me think you should have been posting a lot more so that people would quote you a lot more. Claim doesn't quite line up with how you've played the game. 50/50 on you atm. I would have leaned more town but your response to my vote on you has been a bit over the top.

Drixx is me, and I gave my name and have no ability. Anything I say in my defense is WIFOM so I direct you back to my gameplay and invite you to make your own mind up.

Korialstraz was able to make someone into a robot (claimed a one shot). Used the ability on BPC which earns townie points, but the role itself isn't necessarily something that has to be townie. We've seen scum use their roles to benefit town to get strong town cred before. I'd say 75-80% sure Korial is town though.


I hope that was thorough enough for you?

Yep it's good.
TL;DR: CBG, Glib and AAA are on your scum list? A lot of unknowns?

I went through much the same mental process when I considered BA's claim as I did when I was considering BPC's, only I didn't put a stream of consciousness post in the game when I did so. I believe it was Laarz who pointed out that when I make a post thinking through someone's claim, I'm really just covering ground most everyone else does on their own. Me taking solid advice on playing better does not mean I stopped evaluating claims from a position of skepticism.

Except that you haven't really changed your posting style much until this point. Maybe it was a deliberate decision (and for the record I would much prefer it if you did cut your WoT down). It just contrasted very strongly with your previous assessment of a cop in this game. I have to judge your posts on what is there and what you have done previously and to me it is very telling that you wrote 6 paragraphs about BPC (a fairly straight forward claim) and a 1 paragraph response to BA's claim (congratulating him on choice of targets).

I've already responded to this accusation on your part. That you ignored my response and just made the same accusation again doesn't make me any more apt to believe you. I attacked you for your convenient claim that doesn't line up with your play and for what I saw as a poor case against BA's claim that was easily shot down. I gave a simple counter to your argument against his claim simply to demonstrate that it was flawed.

Ok. To me it felt like a defense, as you posted a one liner asking why did BPC last so long if that was the case. I'd kind of expect from you and your meta to say something like you did in this post.

You have mistaken my response to you trying to get a train going on anyone besides DJ as a defense of BA rather than what it is: an attack on your play. The only smart move today, in the absence of any other known scum, is to kill the scum we do know and let tomorrow be tomorrow. As I pointed out above, the vast majority of the claims in the game right now are suspect.

I am not "trying to get a train going on anyone besides DJ" I just want us to talk through the claims today and discuss stuff. Too often what happens is we have a cop result and the day basically just ends with people voting for who the cop posted rather than discussing other points.

Also, as far as your reason for not posting a lot earlier to use your ability, I have no comment on your reasons. The game is the game and life is life. I am sorry to hear that you've become unemployed though.

Don't be it was a semi-deliberate choice. The role is difficult to use, I need to keep track of who is online when who I want to investigate and it is all made more difficult that my time zone is completely out of sync from everyone else.