Ender's Mafia Game

Bad Ash said:
Its all wifom. It can be applied unless he or I are mafia and just bsing you

@kitteh you don't have to vote of you aren't sure but if you wait till you are sire you may never get a vote in!


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Ah ha! So you admit that both of you are mafia and that you are both bsing me!

Gwaihir said:
In Enders Game, they train kids to lead the fight against the buggers. But the buggers really don't appear in the books much, as they are fighting far away. The training is what takes center stage and therefore I think the kids who hate Ender would be more likely mafia.
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Kids fighting other kids, I like it, sounds like a messed up playground, where there are no rules except no touching of the hair and face.

Goryani said:
Further discussion of which roles would be power roles? And why? For shame.
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Take note that I asked why he thought those specific characters would have abilities, not what other characters he thinks would have abilities or what they would be.

Phillinnicus said:
It's purely discussion. I think they would because they're pretty important in the story and the real shame would be leaving them out of the game.

Discussion about story helps people formulate theories on who may or may not be mafia, a cult, PR, etc. I think taking the book into account helps us with overall understanding of the game, just like it did to an extent in the ASoIaF game.
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Hm, interesting, I really should get around to reading the wiki, and I agree that taking some lore into account will help with understanding.
 
Solar Ice said:
Now if Korial was Scum and killed CG, he can get it out of the way that he was framed and make himself look more Townie. If Drixx is Town, he places suspicion on Drixx should Korial go down. If Drixx is a Scumbuddy, Drixx looks better as well, provided that Korial is not lynched.
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You have 2 completely opposed theories here, I am curious why you put both out there.

Solar Ice said:
Is it just me or does the "who-posted" screen (if you click on 'replies' of a thread to see who posted in that thread) not work for anyone else? Down across the forums for me, not just this thread.
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It has not worked for me since the last day of CG's game when I went back and tried to pick out your and Ankeli's posts.

korialstraz said:
If I had waited for someone else to point out the connection, and played the "I'm being framed!" card then, would it make a difference? If so why, because even after this post I can't see it.

1st question: Because from my experience such things are noticed and brought up at some point. As I said earlier, I wanted to just get the focus out there, and the discussion rolling.

2nd question: Because it felt natural, due to CG's post about how he thought both me and Drixx looked suspicious. What would your reaction be to my post if I didn't mention Drixx?
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To me it looked like CG was poking around to see what happened - it was twilight and we had little to go on. If someone tried to use CG's twilight vote as the main point of a case against you, I would have been more suspicious that the specific person was framing you. I also didn't remember CG connecting you and Drixx beyond having votes on each of you at some point yesterday. So you being worried about Drixx being framed confused me - I would have thought it more townie if you didn't comment on him.

Goryani said:
If you accept the idea that CG was killed to frame someone, do you think the player(s) framed include korialstraz? Drixx? Anyone else not mentioned that should be? These questions are open to everyone btw.
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List of votes from yesterday:
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[TD]CG votes flubb[/TD]
[TD]random/joke?[/TD]
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[TD]CG votes Drixx[/TD]
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[TD]flubb votes Drixx[/TD]
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[TD]Val votes Moar[/TD]
[TD]vendetta[/TD]
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[TD]Sath votes CG?
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[TD]not count[/TD]
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Assuming it was a frame, Drixx and korial are by far the most likely as CG actually made points against them. CG also had a vote on flubb first, but that one seemed to be a joke vote.

Also Sath you never did answer my question, was your vote for CG not bold on purpose, or just a mistake?
 
Reminder that no votes counted yesterday since it was a twilight phase.

Also, did anyone consider that maybe there are no characters from the book in this game!?
Guess not, jerks.
 
Sathoris said:
Vote: Kitteh
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Oh Sath, how I do love your vote only posts.

korialstraz said:
Because from previous experience, someone very often points out the possibility of framing. I figured I'd get it out early so it could be discussed.
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It always tends to be brought up, but I don't recall ever seeing the person "potentially" being framed being the first one to make the connection. Thats a new one in my book for sure. Also, I know early game discussion is important, but from what little discussion there was in twilight you felt the need to bring up a possible frame after a night 1 death, which is usually just a random pick by mafia for nk anyway. Strange, strange stuff indeed.

Goryani said:
Sorry, not quite what I was asking. Let me re-phrase: If you accept the idea that CG was killed to frame someone, do you think the player(s) framed include korialstraz? Drixx? Anyone else not mentioned that should be? These questions are open to everyone btw.
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Is there potential for CG to have been killed to frame someone, yeah I guess its possible, but when the tension between them was due to the discussion of joke votes and their validity coupled with a "drunk" post, its not exactly something I would pinpoint for a frame job right off the bat. Which again, makes it odd that a person involved in the possible frame was the first to bring it up.
 
Pyrotechnician said:
Kids fighting other kids, I like it, sounds like a messed up playground, where there are no rules except no touching of the hair and face.
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Imagine basic training for kids in middle school. They have teams broke into squads all led by the kids, that train and have mock battles with stun guns. Not Lord of the Flies crazy, but I would not say hair and face may not always be off limits here.
 
Solar Ice said:
If the NK was made in mind to frame someone, then Korial and/or Drixx would seem logical suspects due to Twighlight interactions with Caluin. Whether Korial/Drixx actually were framed as opposed to being the perpetrator(s) of the NK is unknown and up for debate.
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I guess I disagree with the korial part. I don't see korial being "framed" unless Drixx flips scum. But then Drixx wouldn't be framed. More like bussing.

What I see korial doing is aligning himself with Drixx. If Drixx is lynched and flips town, korial is more likely to be thought town. If korial is lynched and flips scum, Drixx is more likely to be thought scum. It's like what I saw you do last game as mafia (and why I asked the question specifically of you first).
 
Kitteh said:
Vote: Korialstraz


Talking too much.
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Uhh what? o_O

That's kinda the whole point y'know. To try and figure out who's scum so we can lynch them. And without any facial or body expressions, talking and argumenting can make someone slip and reveal that they are anti-town.

Voting someone just because they talk too much can been seen as an attempt to stifle communication, something that can end up hurting town a lot.

Goryani said:
An important phrase: "considering our interaction with him in the twilight phase." I can't find that "our interaction with him." I see CG interacting with Drixx and korial, not the other way around. I don't see korial in the picture at all except for one name drop in one sentence. Yet after CG died, suddenly korial thinks Drixx was a framed townie. I don't follow from point A (CG mentions both) to point B (Drixx is a framed townie).
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Well so I messed up on the wording a bit, but you seem to have a pretty clear picture of what happened, so what exactly is so difficult to see?

Oh and yes I do think it's a possibility that someone is trying to fram both me and Drixx. Do I know for sure if that's the reason CG died? Of course not, but I'm putting the possibility out there.

Gwaihir said:
To me it looked like CG was poking around to see what happened - it was twilight and we had little to go on. If someone tried to use CG's twilight vote as the main point of a case against you, I would have been more suspicious that the specific person was framing you. I also didn't remember CG connecting you and Drixx beyond having votes on each of you at some point yesterday. So you being worried about Drixx being framed confused me - I would have thought it more townie if you didn't comment on him.
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Well that makes your reasoning a whole lot clearer. And I guess I also see why it might be a good thing to not point it out yourself, to see if someone else tries and use it for a case. Didn't consider it that way at the time of posting. Still learning new stuff every game lol. It's safe to say I'm a slow learner when it comes to mafia games. >_>
 
korialstraz said:
I'm sorry but what are you asking exactly?
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You said you wanted to get out the idea of framing before someone else did. When did you first have the framing idea? When did you decide it was good to get it out before someone else did? When did you first try to get it out?

While on the subject: How much of what you have said regarding the framing idea are your actual thoughts? How much are just ideas thrown out to spur discussion?
 
Goryani said:
You said you wanted to get out the idea of framing before someone else did. When did you first have the framing idea?
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As soon as I read CG was killed off.

Goryani said:
When did you decide it was good to get it out before someone else did?
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I didn't consider if it'd be good for my own sake or not. I made the post to spur discussion as early as possible.

Goryani said:
When did you first try to get it out?
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My very first post of the day, where I said "Interesting that CG was killed off."

I worded it like that on purpose to see who would put a question mark to it first, and in what way. I also knew it had a high chance of getting a discussion rolling.

Goryani said:
While on the subject: How much of what you have said regarding the framing idea are your actual thoughts?
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I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. I believe what I've said so far has a possibility of being true. I have no way of proving it, at least not at the moment.

Goryani said:
How much are just ideas thrown out to spur discussion?
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The one about the possibility of it being framing. The rest is me seeing where the discussion leads us, and hoping someone might slip during all the chatter.
 
Well the last Naruto episode is done for the evening. I'll do my best to answer questions tomorrow morning.
 
SI doesn't seem to be more aggressive than usual, as per my experience in the past games.

Kitteh is brand new to the mafia game, and I can relate to how unnerving it is to make posts with even the most minimal information. Therefore I'm going to take what kitteh has said so far as just being newcomer's slips, if even that.

The whole situation with korial, Drixx, and CG is a little unnerving. I can see why he would bring up the idea of being framed early since he was involved in discussion with him during the twilight phase. I'd do the same thing if I were in that situation because not mentioning it would seem scummy to me. But on the other hand, that could have been what he planned since the beginning; to NK CG and then to point out the connection immediately to try and get him off the hook.

That seems like a bunch of WIFOM to me (first time using that term, hopefully using it correctly), so I can't really choose either or. He is the only person I find somewhat suspicious so far though.
 
Phillinnicus said:
Kitteh is brand new to the mafia game, and I can relate to how unnerving it is to make posts with even the most minimal information. Therefore I'm going to take what kitteh has said so far as just being newcomer's slips, if even that.
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If you consider Kitteh to have made slips would you say that they are newcomer Town slips or newcomer Mafia slips?
 
Solar Ice said:
If you consider Kitteh to have made slips would you say that they are newcomer Town slips or newcomer Mafia slips?
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That's the thing with slips, they can make you look unintentionally mafia. I think what Kitteh has said so far was meant to have good intentions (i.e., how a townie would would say it) but it turned out to look kind of scummy. That's just what I believe because of the situation, it's equally as likely that they were mafia slips though.
 
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