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[Zokar1]

and as for the "on the cusp" comment...
a little recap. I was about to be lynched, goryani unvoted me and almost got himself lynched. I assumed I would be on the blocks the next day but then we had two scum to lynch. In the meantime I didn't just assume I would be let go and be forgotten though pressure on me has fluctuated a bit. But, today we go at it again, I'm almost half way to lynch and then BA comes out with the FoE lynch thing. All along I've still yet to produce any useful results to bolster my claim... so, from my perspective I'm just waiting for other people to run out of "sure things" and come back to me again, unless of course I produce something useful before then, but time is running rather short for that to happen.

 

[Kestegs]

Page ninja'd, the rest of those will have to wait until morning.

 

[Bad Ash]

@TF
you think FoE is scum and BA is most likely town if I understand you correctly. What do you think of BA's mason claim? How do you square your feelings about this now?

I would hope he likes the mason claim considering he is a part of it?

I think you are right, I hadn't really remembered he claimed 1 time lynch immune. That is really an odd ability for town to have.

Is there a reason you haven't told us your third member.

I think so, yes.

@BA
Any reason why you're not saying who the dead member is?
Would you be willing to clarify why the two of you think it's in the best interest of town to kill off what I assume you want us to believe to be another townie?

This confuses me greatly

Ok, after reading through half of the one day phase, and all of last day phase again I have a lot of thoughts going through my head so I’m kind of going through them.




This above has to be either the hardest bus in the history of mafia, or actually happened; I’m having a hard time deciding which. On one hand it is a TC game so I have come to expect unusual roles, but this one is just so different I’m not sure what to think. On the other hand, Jcakes was in no way shape or form in danger of being lynched at the time, CG was already essentially in line to be hung, why would a fellow mafia line up another for the next day?



You calling out Jcakes pretty much affirming Jcakes as scum has to be one of the more town plays I have seen this game, but then even as your listing out your results you throw in the “I’m a sitting duck line”. Strange that you would need to include that.

Sitting duck line is working as intended just as the chat gem. Why would I claim Zeus and not give the mafia any whine with my lightning?


Claiming mason was not the plan when I did it. I did it for a reason and think it can be figured out if someone puts some thought into it.

The third member is irrelevant. Revealing who the dead member is should not prove credibility, and who knows if the anti-town players use them as some sort of explanation?

In terms of being mafia and concoting this plan, that is quite laughable. Frankie and I have absolutely zero pressure on us, and revealing we are masons together if we are mafia would be just about the worst play we could make.

I mean, we can easily lynch you Zokar if thats what you'd like instead. You arent giving any alternatives, disagreeing with a different option, and questioning our motives. You and FoE connected by any chance? FoE did put a vote for you and changed it minutes later did he not? Then again he might have a vote on him right now. So that could be false

Zokar's biggest issue is the watching ability and who he has chosen. I will vote for him if we need it, the only person I wont be voting for is the franklin. I think FOE has played a scummy game and there is a chance that Zokar could be town. The sticking point is watching himself, an coincidences usually mean scum. Tons of people worthy of a hanging

 

[Bad Ash]

and as for the "on the cusp" comment...
a little recap. I was about to be lynched, goryani unvoted me and almost got himself lynched. I assumed I would be on the blocks the next day but then we had two scum to lynch. In the meantime I didn't just assume I would be let go and be forgotten though pressure on me has fluctuated a bit. But, today we go at it again, I'm almost half way to lynch and then BA comes out with the FoE lynch thing. All along I've still yet to produce any useful results to bolster my claim... so, from my perspective I'm just waiting for other people to run out of "sure things" and come back to me again, unless of course I produce something useful before then, but time is running rather short for that to happen.

Try making a case for why someone is scum. That would help.

 

[Bad Ash]

FoE does not have a vote for Zokar. It was korial. So that enhances a FoE lynch. Also enhances korial in my eyes.

Pyro and Kestegs are probably a scum team cause I just have no read on them at all.

Korial
FoE
Zokar
Moar

people I would like to see one of them lynched.

 

[pharphis]

@Pyro,

I was asking if anyone knew why there wasn't a kill. If someone has a plausible idea or something to say to prove someone is town (by saying they used 1-shot doc or something on someone) then it would be awesome to hear it.

No, you got it wrong. If I was mafia I would probably know why a kill wouldn't go through at this point.


I also don't have a read on kegs or pyro. They're both playing like they always do, as far as I can tell.

TBH, after the mix-up yesterday (with zokar's watch and everything) I feel like Zokar is more likely town than scum. Too many people wouldn't let up and ask other people questions (myself included) which to me is a bit of a signal that the person is town.

I'll probably vote FoE tomorrow, because I believe you are masons and it sounds like a reasonable idea.

 

[Zokar1]

Vote: FredOfErik

Franklin and I are mason buddies with one other We have discussed, and think this is the best option. Hopefully you do as well

I would hope he likes the mason claim considering he is a part of it?

Wow... I completely misread your first post and thought you said you and FoE were mason which gave rise to my later postings which is probably the source of confusion... my bad. I'll have to reread this in the morning as well.

 

[Zokar1]

FoE does not have a vote for Zokar. It was korial. So that enhances a FoE lynch. Also enhances korial in my eyes.

FFS.... another mistake on my part. Ok, no more posting tonight, I'm just getting wrong the things that are not even that complex in nature...

 

[korialstraz]

Caught up on posts from my phone on my way to work. I don't think anyone directly asked me a question, so I won't go back atm (mostly due to lack of time at work) do to quotes.

Unvote: Zokar

Wanted to look for some reactions, didn't get what I was hoping for, which works out in Zokar's favor. There is another thing that bugs me, but it's too early to come out with that atm.

@pharphi: I find it interesting why you're so interested in knowing why there is no night kill. The only reason I can see for this, is to find information that makes performing night kills easier/more reliable. Not that scum has had any trouble so far in this game.

 

[korialstraz]

OT: WOOT WOOT WOOT! I may have just solved an issue I spent around 4-5 hours last friday on 3 different laptops, but couldn't solve then. If this works, I'm going to be super happy!

/OT

I posted here, because this was the window I had open. >_> Also TC wants his award. :jig:

 

[FredOfErik]

Well, they both are up there on my scum list. Go back and look at things. Take a closer look at FoE especially. Who do you think is scum right now? My top three are FoE, Korial, Pharphis. Yet those are the most town to you. I can believe all of you being on the same team, opposing CG, JCakes, Gory, etc. Your team gets two kills every other night. Sounds plausible.

Do you have any reason to suspect Gory was alligned with CG and cakes?

1. Why would FoE claim one time lynch immune? Why would a townie need that?

How does town not benifit from knowing that it will take two days to lynch me?

I guess I’ll ask this, it was probably asked before but I don’t know where it is, why is it again that you chose to use your one shot on CG?

As you say yourself, I have already explained this. I chose him because he was involved in a lot of discussions on D1 and because of the answers I got when I on D2 asked people about their reads on the persons who died the previous night.

Worried about a role that could potentially catch you fred?

Nope. Zokar stated he watched me on N4. If I was to be SK I would've most likely been responsible for one of the kills on N4, wouldn't I? If I was mafia I would've had either been responsible for a kill or at the very least been in contact with scum buddies.

So:
- if Zokar is town (which I however doubt) and not lying about his watcher ability/results it can be assumed that I'm town too.
- if Zokar is scum and/or lying about his ability/results the possibility of me being scum/SK still remains.

The only other possible situation where I could be SK/scum is if I was somehow bus driven or something else that would mess up his result on me.

Lynching me will take two days and reveal that I am town, which won't necessarily confirm or deconfirm whether or not Zokar is telling the truth.
Lynching Zokar can give to outcomes:
1. He is town. This would confirm his results.
2. He is scum. We don't know more than we do now, but we lynched scum.

Personally, I think he is scum.

Vote: Zokar

 

[FredOfErik]

On BA/thefranklin: I have no reason to suspect that they are lying about their mason abilities.

 

[ThunderCat]

Vote tally Day 5 (5/6):
Zokar - 2 (Moar, FredOfErik)
FredOfErik - 2 (thefranklin, Bad Ash)

Pyro gets the award for most consecutive posts (9).

 

[thefranklin]

What do you mean by what was CG trying to protect? Do you mean who he was trying to protect?


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No, I do mean what, as in what is important enough to the mafia for CG to take a bullet. If a town vig targeted JCakes and a mafia bodyguard ended up dead, you effectively caught two scum with it. Now what does the other mafia have? Some kind of power that lets them get out of lyncheses? Hmm, FoE claimed a lynch immune power and Moar has one or one was used on her.

PS: For once I am not uber scum? What's that supposed to mean? Haha

 

[thefranklin]

@pyro
only reason I put the "predicted" (as you put it) watch target in there was just me tossing in some doubt for the scum as to if I would actually watch you or not. the line of thinking being that they would reason that they couldn't determine if I was being honest or not and would pick somebody else just to be safe. this would shorten the list of interesting targets by one and possibly allow me to have better odds at watching somebody and getting something useful. this of course didn't actually work.

This by far is the town thing you have done. I like it.

He seemed the least annoyed with me. I figured if those that are pushing to lynch me are actually scum then I would watch somebody who was the least critical of me on the assumption that scum would want to silence his voice to make the rest of the town sense the overall negative pressure on me and lynch me.

This I am not so impressed with, but I buy the explanation. Could it be he knows your alignment and his buddy is already driving hard to lynch you, so he stays back (yet still very willing to vote you?)

 

[Kestegs]

Caught up on posts from my phone on my way to work. I don't think anyone directly asked me a question, so I won't go back atm (mostly due to lack of time at work) do to quotes.

Unvote: Zokar

Wanted to look for some reactions, didn't get what I was hoping for, which works out in Zokar's favor. There is another thing that bugs me, but it's too early to come out with that atm.

@pharphi: I find it interesting why you're so interested in knowing why there is no night kill. The only reason I can see for this, is to find information that makes performing night kills easier/more reliable. Not that scum has had any trouble so far in this game.

I agree, he pushed the issue more than once now. Scum just can't help but try and figure out why they failed.

Do you have any reason to suspect Gory was alligned with CG and cakes?

How does town not benifit from knowing that it will take two days to lynch me?

As you say yourself, I have already explained this. I chose him because he was involved in a lot of discussions on D1 and because of the answers I got when I on D2 asked people about their reads on the persons who died the previous night.

Nope. Zokar stated he watched me on N4. If I was to be SK I would've most likely been responsible for one of the kills on N4, wouldn't I? If I was mafia I would've had either been responsible for a kill or at the very least been in contact with scum buddies.

So:
- if Zokar is town (which I however doubt) and not lying about his watcher ability/results it can be assumed that I'm town too.
- if Zokar is scum and/or lying about his ability/results the possibility of me being scum/SK still remains.

The only other possible situation where I could be SK/scum is if I was somehow bus driven or something else that would mess up his result on me.

Lynching me will take two days and reveal that I am town, which won't necessarily confirm or deconfirm whether or not Zokar is telling the truth.
Lynching Zokar can give to outcomes:
1. He is town. This would confirm his results.
2. He is scum. We don't know more than we do now, but we lynched scum.

Personally, I think he is scum.

Vote: Zokar

It doesn't seem like you understand how the watcher role works. You could kill someone on n4 while Zokar watched you, but he still will not get a result on you if nobody visited you.

vote: fredoferik

I still am not comfortable with Zokar, for reasons I've stated previously, but I think foe is more important to lynch today, and then Zokar has one more night to potentially prove his claim.

 

[FredOfErik]

It doesn't seem like you understand how the watcher role works. You could kill someone on n4 while Zokar watched you, but he still will not get a result on you if nobody visited you.

In that case, no.

 

[Zokar1]

Based in part on this:

• The Watcher can self watch and see who visits him at night.
  • While this does take away any chance of the watcher catching the mafia visit their kill target (since the watcher, if targeted, would die with his report), this tactic is used in many setups with multiple PRs. If a high profiled watcher thinks he will be visited by multiple PRs, self watching can confirm and clear roles, thus catching mafia in counterclaims instead of visiting the kill.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Watcher

It doesn't seem like you understand how the watcher role works. You could kill someone on n4 while Zokar watched you, but he still will not get a result on you if nobody visited you.

In that case, no.

Vote: FredOfErik

 

[thefranklin]

Do you have any reason to suspect Gory was alligned with CG and cakes?

Yes I do. What reasons do you have?

How does town not benifit from knowing that it will take two days to lynch me?

That was not what the question was. The question was "why does a town player need lynch immunity.' Answer is, they dont.

Nope. Zokar stated he watched me on N4. If I was to be SK I would've most likely been responsible for one of the kills on N4, wouldn't I? If I was mafia I would've had either been responsible for a kill or at the very least been in contact with scum buddies.

So:
- if Zokar is town (which I however doubt) and not lying about his watcher ability/results it can be assumed that I'm town too.
- if Zokar is scum and/or lying about his ability/results the possibility of me being scum/SK still remains.

Wow, nice setup try. "If Z is town, I am too. Vote Z." when you know Z's alignment already. Brilliant.

On the above: I just thought that was funny, don't take it seriously. Someone else already mentioned the difference between watcher and tracker I think.

The only other possible situation where I could be SK/scum is if I was somehow bus driven or something else that would mess up his result on me.

Lynching me will take two days and reveal that I am town, which won't necessarily confirm or deconfirm whether or not Zokar is telling the truth.
Lynching Zokar can give to outcomes:
1. He is town. This would confirm his results.
2. He is scum. We don't know more than we do now, but we lynched scum.

We will know a crapload more if Zokar is scum than we do now. Plus, you missed the obvious: we find out he is lynch immune. Ok, so these last two comments were just because I quoted the whole post.

 

[thefranklin]

It doesn't seem like you understand how the watcher role works. You could kill someone on n4 while Zokar watched you, but he still will not get a result on you if nobody visited you.

Oooh, there is a thought. FoE is so critical of Zokar because he in fact did kill someone the night he was watched and Z is claiming nothing happened. Nice, kegs.