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I killed Solar Ice myself. As a result of that action, I received his info. I thought my claim was quite clear in that regard.



I disagree with you. The greatest threat to mafia are roles which can directly kill mafia (SK, vigi, etc). The next greatest threat are roles that can indirectly kill mafia (bus driver, reflector, etc). A watcher can be avoided much the same way a doc can, so it's not a serious threat to mafia.



I picked up that Laarz could be from the Xena franchise when Leo posted the link. I made a single post on day one to the effect that I wasn't down with a Laarz lynch but other than that, I thought I stayed silent regarding Laarz. I was far more interested in how others treated Laarz than grilling Laarz to confirm/deny his apparent role and post restriction.

not wanting to lynch laarz because he is from the xena universe? From the person who brought forward the idea of roles not = alignment that is interesting.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the mechanics of this game regarding who the mafia could be and why
 
So Sath, Leo, CG and SI were killed the same night. According to pharphis Sath was the NK target ( assuming Jcakes is scum so they got the Artemis name). So Sath was town. Can somebody please dig up who he voted for first without giving a reason?

Sath voted for Jcakes without any reason given on D1.

So Sath was town. [snipped from above paragraph]

According to Gory SI was town as well.

According to FoE CG was mafia bodyguard who took the bullet for the hitman.

So the question is why Leo died. She wasn't the mafia target if all above is correct.

If all those are correct, Leo could have been killed by an elite mafia bodyguard. Get out your razors and all that.
 
I do like your poking kegs (don't let your mind go to a dirty place! Don't do it!!!), but you could at least do me the favor of quoting me correctly. I said I "fleshed it" out, not her. Now exactly what was fleshed out, I'll leave for you to decide. :scratchchin:

That last part was a bit of a joke btw, in case you didn't get it.

Yea, that last post was purely OT. The first post on this subject was actually serious, and the second half serious.
 
I don,t think so. To me it looks more like an ability after the fact. It,s not a direct targeting ability but more like one that comes in after death and gives a false result.

That could be, it's always hard to tell how an uncommon role functions. Of course it's all speculation as we don't actually know what roles these people have.

Some thoughts after a night's sleep:

Blood Swap looks like it can be written as a bus driver but it only works on investigations and kills. It can be used to stymie an investigative role or coroner. We've seen claims/info for/from both an investigative role (Zokar the watcher) and coroner (FoE the JOAT and BA with coroner results). Looks a lot like rock-paper-scissors. Mafia beat a VT. Cop beats mafia. Godfather beats cop. And so on. If blood swap is the scissors to investigator/coroner paper, then it stands to reason blood swap has an alignment opposite of the investigator/coroner.

On the other hand, a townie Blood Swap ability can also be used as pharphis claimed. If successful, the killer will get the wrong name. Fake claiming a name that isn't safe to fake claim is a good way to get rope burn round the neck. If mafia happen to have an investigative role it can also be used to mess up that result but mafia investigative roles aren't exactly super common.

@pharphis - Why did you choose Sathoris? Why did you choose N2 to use a one shot ability? How close did you come to either choosing a different player or not using the ability on N2?

The rock paper scissors analogy is basically what I was trying to say earlier. So I agree.

no. Pharphis never did his blood test on Sathoris. There are two options:
1. Hes lying
2. Sath was bus driven

+5 reading points!

How do you know he didn't do it?

I had a solid read.

Not according to your sig. :evil: And it's funny to see that coming from someone who talks of rolls so much.

I'm gonna have to blame auto correct on that one! Or maybe my stomach.
 
not wanting to lynch laarz because he is from the xena universe? From the person who brought forward the idea of roles not = alignment that is interesting.

As I said earlier, I gave Leo a solid town read. She gave Laarz a "back off" read. Her endorsement, coupled with my curiosity about how players treat Laarz was more than enough for me to give him a D1 free pass.

I was also interested in your statement how you could blow the game wide open. I was wondering if you might also be not-a-Greek-God. You also received one of my free passes though I never had to state it.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the mechanics of this game regarding who the mafia could be and why

I've been trying hard not to think thoughts like "Hades must be scum." For one, there were 3 unaccountable deaths on N2 (unaccountable to me). Add one from N1. Four fake claimable names on D2 means we probably need to ferret out fake claims rather than find the scummy sounding name. Plus, I won't be good at "Hades is scum" types of analysis. I had to research Xena just to find out she wasn't in Greek mythology. I could tell you a little about some of the names claimed. I could tell you nothing about more of the names claimed (other than being part of either Greek or Roman mythology).

I have no guess about a possible common theme among mafia members that I feel is accurate enough to turn into a plan of action.

As for mechanics: I think there is definitely an unknown killer. CG died somehow. Whether he died using the bodyguard role or was targeted directly, he still died. CG as elite bodyguard that kills his killer is simple in that it neatly explains all N2 deaths. If so, Leo looks to be the killer unless there are several additional inconsistencies regarding pharphis, Jcakes and your claims. If CG is NOT an elite bodyguard or was targeted directly, then there are TWO unknown killers out there: one to kill CG and another to kill Leo. Three vigilantes in one game is not going to happen. There needs to be either a SK or second mafia in there. Potentially both. I'd go with SK over second mafia due to N1 and N3 having just a single death each.
 
Oooh so laarz just doesnt trust me. Gotcha. Don't make me sic the prince of thieves on you!

Regarding the blood test...I got saths role. It was not Artemis. Hence bus driver or he's lieing

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Sath voted for Jcakes without any reason given on D1.



If all those are correct, Leo could have been killed by an elite mafia bodyguard. Get out your razors and all that.

I still don,t know what the difference between bodyguard and elite bodyguard is. cG didn't,t answer my question. I go with FoE,s claim of mafia bodyguards. That means the bodyguard would protect either a specific person if town or his hitman mafia buddy.
 
Oooh so laarz just doesnt trust me. Gotcha. Don't make me sic the prince of thieves on you!

Regarding the blood test...I got saths role. It was not Artemis. Hence bus driver or he's lieing

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Ah, of course. Didn't he specifically claim that it couldn't be affected by a bus driver, or that he knew for sure it was Sath's role? I'd have to go back and double check that.
 
Oooh so laarz just doesnt trust me. Gotcha. Don't make me sic the prince of thieves on you!

Regarding the blood test...I got saths role. It was not Artemis. Hence bus driver or he's lieing

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you didn't,t kill him and you didn't,t investigate him either, did you? According to pharphis claim you wouldn't get the swap result then.
 
1. kestegs
2. Goryani
3. Bad Ash: Zeus
4. Caluin Graye: Cronos
5. Pyrotechnician
6. Jcakes
7. FredOfErik
8. Ankeli
9. korialstraz
11. thefranklin: Apollo
11. pharphis
12. Zokar: Eros
13. corax
14. Moar
15. Laarz

I thought there were more references to Apollo. Just making some mental notes.
 
Regarding the blood test...I got saths role. It was not Artemis. Hence bus driver or he's lieing

To me, it looks like the blood test is a bus driver for night kill flips. The results look compatible with the claims.

N2:
pharphis does the blood swap with himself and pharphis.
Mafia kill Sathoris.
Mafia receive pharphis role (Artemis) instead of Sathoris role (Poseidon) because of the blood swap.
 
I still don,t know what the difference between bodyguard and elite bodyguard is. cG didn't,t answer my question. I go with FoE,s claim of mafia bodyguards. That means the bodyguard would protect either a specific person if town or his hitman mafia buddy.

A bodyguard, if successful, dies in place of the player saved. It changes the NK target but does not stop the NK. It does not add a night death because the killer is unharmed.

An elite bodyguard, if successful, not only dies like a bodyguard, but also kills the attacker. It changes the NK target but does not stop the NK. It adds an extra night death because the killer is killed.
 
A bodyguard, if successful, dies in place of the player saved. It changes the NK target but does not stop the NK. It does not add a night death because the killer is unharmed.

An elite bodyguard, if successful, not only dies like a bodyguard, but also kills the attacker. It changes the NK target but does not stop the NK. It adds an extra night death because the killer is killed.

Then he can,t be an elite mafia bodyguard since that,s just plain stupid.
 
Cause he was pointing out my nip slip of Apollo which I was pretty mad about. Ah well.

I understand the phar. Thing now. Not sure I believe it but I understand

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