Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Caluin Graye]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

I'd love to get a re-run of these so called problems. I was on a mafia from day 1, have provided the town with information, and you've done... nothing. I might just off you next night instead of korialstraz to be on the safe side.

Never thought I'd see Ankeli stoop to a LAMIST argument.

However one thing I cannot fathom is (if I understood your role claim correctly), is why didn't just not say anything about your role, and instead just use your ability on Gory to force him into targeting you? That would make you the role thief, and at a position to pick whichever target you wanted and hope for a better role correct?

That's not how his claimed power works. He'd have to have known who Goryani was targeting to snag the role thief. Additionally, it's not a townie action. That would have been a selfish action, which tends to hurt the town's chances of winning.

I don't like this post.

 

[Ankeli1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Desperate times call for desperate means. But really.
I'm also not feeling the hate towards Val. :/

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

I guess I got nothing to lose by claiming, so I might as well. According to the tenth rule, I can't just paste the contents of the personal message, so I'm underlining the words I have changed (I used www.synonyms.net, in case you want to look for the words):

So you made a role claim with a targeted ability - why did you not list targets? Have you used the power at all? If so, who? Were you informed you were blocked last night?

However one thing I cannot fathom is (if I understood your role claim correctly), is why didn't just not say anything about your role, and instead just use your ability on Gory to force him into targeting you? That would make you the role thief, and at a position to pick whichever target you wanted and hope for a better role correct?

Vote: Valhauros

Targeting Gory would not get you the thief power, it would get you targeted by anything attempting to hit Gory, be in investigations, saves, or kills. If he targeted the person Gory did, he would then receive the rolestealer power.

Is that what you would want to do now korialztraz? If you could get the role thief power, would you? Do you think Gory is town? What would you do if you got the role thief if you got it?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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I'm not sure if I'm really comfortable with the Val lynch either, the main arguement against him is that he thought there was a mafia and a cult rather then just one of them. The late voting thing is odd as well, but you would think that an experienced player would know throwing a vote on late only hurts your case so I'm not sure what to think there. I think my main issue is that the train was started by Sath and I don't really trust him yet.

 

[korialstraz]

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That's not how his claimed power works. He'd have to have known who Goryani was targeting to snag the role thief. Additionally, it's not a townie action. That would have been a selfish action, which tends to hurt the town's chances of winning.

I don't like this post.

Then you and I read his claim differently. And I don't deny it being a selfish action, but what is refusing to use his ability to the towns best interest? To me that is a lot worse of a selfish action, instead of at least trying to make the most of it.

Targeting Gory would not get you the thief power, it would get you targeted by anything attempting to hit Gory, be in investigations, saves, or kills. If he targeted the person Gory did, he would then receive the rolestealer power.

Is that what you would want to do now korialztraz? If you could get the role thief power, would you? Do you think Gory is town? What would you do if you got the role thief if you got it?

Ohhh. Ok now that makes a lot more sense.

Unvote: Valhauros

What do you mean "Is that what you would want to do now korialztraz?"? As for the rest of the questions, do I want the role thief? Not really, I think atm I can do more to help the town with my current role than a role stealer. If you all think differently, then I will not stand in the way of what you deem best for the town, and will not try to stop the role thief. Do I believe he is town? I don't know. I want to believe he is, but I've also been told I'm too trusting. IIRC (30 hours of D3 burned up my brain cells) he is the role thief now, and I'd feel more at ease if we can confirm it. What would I do with the role thief? I might talk with the town, and figure out how to best use the role thief ability to the towns benefit. However to me it seems being a role thief gives town an excellent opportunity to mess with the mafia, and I might just go lone wolf and target someone that has attracted mafia attention to save that role from an NK.

 

[coju]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

The start of day hint, plus everyone else weighing in on the subject point to a global roleblock ability. Mafia sometimes have a global roleblock mechanism. They don't always use it, but it's there for use. In a game with 21 power roles, a global roleblock has the potential to stop a lot of townie abilities.

Did mafia know they were triggering a global roleblock? Explicitly, I think not. Implicitly, I think likely. I think coju's take is pretty accurate:



What becomes curious is the "from my understanding" line. "From my understanding" is used to denote that you don't come up with idea by yourself. You arrive at your conclusion through the help of others. Who are those others? What was said by those others to help you? Also, why is it that you read/remember the help given by those others and seem oblivious to things such as two townies being lynched on D1 or the idea that it might be a mafia and townie lynched on D1 or roleclaims of Ankeli and I? It sounds like the thread you are paying attention to isn't a thread the town can read.

Vote: coju

Those others would be re and those who chimed in in the sign up thread when re mentioned the dream idea. From my understanding is from what I understood from relying on my memory about what I read over a week ago about a mechanic that I know diddly about.

Have you used your day time investigation paladin?

 

[coju]

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I'd love to get a re-run of these so called problems. I was on a mafia from day 1, have provided the town with information, and you've done... nothing. I might just off you next night instead of korialstraz to be on the safe side.

That seems likea better idea to me. And i'm not lplacing a vote on Val simply because he thought there was a cult and Mafia.... Way to run a train on a guy for smthn as small as that

 

[Kestegs]

Those others would be re and those who chimed in in the sign up thread when re mentioned the dream idea. From my understanding is from what I understood from relying on my memory about what I read over a week ago about a mechanic that I know diddly about.

Have you used your day time investigation paladin?

Yes, let's go ahead and out the cop again.

/sarcasm

That seems likea better idea to me. And i'm not lplacing a vote on Val simply because he thought there was a cult and Mafia.... Way to run a train on a guy for smthn as small as that

To me that implies that he is part of one of those factions and assumes there is another faction in play.

 

[Goryani]

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I guess I got nothing to lose by claiming, so I might as well. According to the tenth rule, I can't just paste the contents of the personal message, so I'm underlining the words I have changed (I used www.synonyms.net, in case you want to look for the words):

Not cool! This is too close to the "count the number times the letter R appears in your role PM" incident. You just copy/pasted a form with certain words redacted and made almost no effort to paraphrase. I can compare my role PM to yours to see if certain phrases match or don't match.

Thou art the Martyr, what more outstanding drive is there than granting thine life to halt wickedness? Each night you may select a participant. Every other night activity that aims that participant instead will target thee that night.

Aligned with town: Thou will succeed when all aligned against town menaces are deceased.

The closest role I can come up with is Bodyguard. You haven't used it yet and won't use it? Please tell me you are joking.

Targeting Gory would not get you the thief power, it would get you targeted by anything attempting to hit Gory, be in investigations, saves, or kills. If he targeted the person Gory did, he would then receive the rolestealer power.

How do you know this? What role are you using as a comparison for Val's role?

Have you used your day time investigation paladin?

Yes. I hinted at the results in post 573. I announced the results in post 583 and 636. I talked about the results in post 591, 599 and 617.

 

[Goryani]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

That's not how his claimed power works. He'd have to have known who Goryani was targeting to snag the role thief. Additionally, it's not a townie action. That would have been a selfish action, which tends to hurt the town's chances of winning.

I don't like this post.

Add CG to the list of players somehow knowing a detail about Val's role that wasn't posted.

 

[Bad Ash]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Vote: Valhauros

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

The closest role I can come up with is Bodyguard. You haven't used it yet and won't use it? Please tell me you are joking.

Instead of trying to rename his role into a standard role, why not try reading his claimed role? He didn't claim Bodyguard - he claimed Martyr. They're similar, but different in very significant ways.

How do you know this? What role are you using as a comparison for Val's role?

Add CG to the list of players somehow knowing a detail about Val's role that wasn't posted.

I didn't realize that reading comprehension would be interpreted a scum tell. :unimpressed:

Back in time just a little bit:

Val's vote for Autti was illegal. It never counted because he didn't unvote korialstraz earlier.

He did, and it was clearly shown in the quote in my post where I called it out. So in a single day that's two specific cases of reading comprehension from a person who's usually extremely good about picking up on little details. What's going on? Reading too fast? Intentionally making false statements?

Why are you playing so sloppily?

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The cult-reasoning lynch on Valhauros is stupid.

We know that Autti was part of the mafia, because we know there'is no cult. If Valhauros was also mafia, then he'd already have known that Autti wasn't cult, having been on his team. So why ask if he was part of a cult, knowing full well the answer in advance? Brings too much attention to himself, which I find unlikely for Val to willingly do. He's at his best when playing from the sidelines.

 

[coju]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

The cult-reasoning lynch on Valhauros is stupid.

We know that Autti was part of the mafia, because we know there'is no cult. If Valhauros was also mafia, then he'd already have known that Autti wasn't cult, having been on his team. So why ask if he was part of a cult, knowing full well the answer in advance? Brings too much attention to himself, which I find unlikely for Val to willingly do. He's at his best when playing from the sidelines.

Finally someone who makes sense of this matter...

And thank you goryani, you saved me much, much time! I'll look at them when I get another break.

 

[Gwaihir]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

How do you know this? What role are you using as a comparison for Val's role?

It would be using the roleclaim you actually quoted in the same post, one above where you quoted me.

Thou art the Martyr, what more outstanding drive is there than granting thine life to halt wickedness? Each night you may select a participant. Every other night activity that aims that participant instead will target thee that night.

My interpretation is that Val chooses a target and everything aimed at that target is redirected to Val. How do you interpret this?

 

[FredOfErik]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

I'm still not convinced about Val not being scum, but..

Unvote: Valhauros
Vote: korialstraz

I stole Gory's role. I am the paladin. I just investigated Korial and he is guilty. My investigation yesterday was coju, he is innocent.

To clear out a bit the role mechanics. I get to investigate during the day and receive the result right away (or whenever Rlyeh gets a chance to answer my PM).

 

[Caluin Graye]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

That works for me.

Vote: korialstraz

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

I'm still not convinced about Val not being scum, but..

Unvote: Valhauros
Vote: korialstraz

I stole Gory's role. I am the paladin. I just investigated Korial and he is guilty. My investigation yesterday was coju, he is innocent.

To clear out a bit the role mechanics. I get to investigate during the day and receive the result right away (or whenever Rlyeh gets a chance to answer my PM).

You investigated yesterday??? Wasn't the planet on lockdown...onder:

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Most Role PMs should be sent,

It is currently still the pregame. The Mafia can use thier thread to talk.

Night abilities apart from the mafias dream can not be used on this night.

Day will start Monday around 12:00 GMT

Any questions about your PM feel free to contact me.

Mafia/Cult have a day thread to talk. (see bolded above)

Those others would be re and those who chimed in in the sign up thread when re mentioned the dream idea. From my understanding is from what I understood from relying on my memory about what I read over a week ago about a mechanic that I know diddly about.

Have you used your day time investigation paladin?

So has a conversation been taking place to exhonerate coju using the now stolen paladin role??

Oh wait a moment....we just read that didn't we in FredofErik's post above.

This seems a bit clumsy to me, care to help me understand???

 

[FredOfErik]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

You investigated yesterday??? Wasn't the planet on lockdown...onder:

This seems a bit clumsy to me, care to help me understand???

I'm still not convinced about Val not being scum, but..

Unvote: Valhauros
Vote: korialstraz

I stole Gory's role. I am the paladin. I just investigated Korial and he is guilty. My investigation yesterday was coju, he is innocent.

To clear out a bit the role mechanics. I get to investigate during the day and receive the result right away (or whenever Rlyeh gets a chance to answer my PM).

Here is how it works out:
-The paladin gets an opportunity to investigate somebody each day phase. The result is given asap.
-D1 Gory investigated laarz and found him innocent.
-N1 Gory claims.
-Later on N1 I steal Gory's role
-D2 I investigated coju and found him innocent
-D3 (today, about two hours ago) I investigated korial and found him guilty

 

[FredOfErik]

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You investigated yesterday??? Wasn't the planet on lockdown...onder:

I assume this only applied to night actions, as I received a result (coju is innocent) and not a "BLOCKED" or whatever message.