Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Goryani]

Re: Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

Ok, I guess I'm not familiar enough with this Lynley technicque and googling it came up an inspector of mysteries. So basically because Sath was tracking your activity he somehow knew what your role was? I guess I don't understand and if you don't mind explaining that would be really helpful. I'm not sure how revealing at that time really helped unless you felt that you would be targeted since Sath apparently knew who you were.

I wasn't familiar with Lynley but I was with google, so I googled Lynley. Hard to ignore the first post and 5 out of the 10 on the page page being about an investigator. If that were the only thing, I wouldn't have claimed.

Another reason is that I wasn't exactly hiding my intentions. I did some fishing of those talking about cops of fishing for cops for talking about those fishing for cops. I think I talked about the investigation altering dream more than anyone else. I wasn't intentionally breadcrumbing, yet, many signs were pointing to the same direction. As townie, these are things I look at to decide if a claimed cop is telling the truth and if I'm mafia, help me find the cop to eliminate them.

Yet another reason is the profile tracking. That just bugs me. He showed he was willing to keep track of details such as who sends PMs when. Who reads PMs when. Who is looking at the thread. Who is replying to the thread. Not only that, but he gives someone else the idea if they didn't have it already.

All told, a combination of three things made it easier for mafia to detect my role. One was of my own doing but Sathoris provided the other two elements. In the end I decided to claim and hope for the best rather than be night killed and see scum claim cop.

In case anyone is interested, I didn't look up Lynley until the night phase. Had I realized what Sathoris was talking about yesterday, I would done several things differently.

You know, your first line is the exact opposite of what I thought would happen during a night phase. Since mafia always have night talk ability I was expecting that those who did not post during the night phase were more likely to be mafia since they would not want to get involved in a situation that could get them trapt even before the next day phase begun. Obviously people can have different opinions but its definately and interesting take.

Nice take. When mafia have day talk, they tend to post less in the public thread. Mafia having night talk doesn't mean they aren't talking, just that they are talking where town can't see. I wonder who was absent and who was quieter than normal. I'd bet all the lint in my pockets against all the lint in anyone's pockets that multiple mafia were hiding last night.

I can say that it's a completely new role to me, and I couldn't find it in mafiawiki or anywhere.

Not again.

 

[Sathoris]

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Yet another reason is the profile tracking. That just bugs me. He showed he was willing to keep track of details such as who sends PMs when. Who reads PMs when. Who is looking at the thread. Who is replying to the thread. Not only that, but he gives someone else the idea if they didn't have it already.

Don't flatter yourself, I was merely checking to see if you were going to reply anytime soon so I could get another reply in before I left. I only saw you looking at the WoT game and thought it funny you were actually checking up on different games to reinforce your point.

All told, a combination of three things made it easier for mafia to detect my role. One was of my own doing but Sathoris provided the other two elements. In the end I decided to claim and hope for the best rather than be night killed and see scum claim cop.

Get of your high and mighty pedestal and join us down here. Either you are very paranoid or you think you alone with a cop role can possibly win us the game, you might have just cost us the game by claiming..

 

[Ankeli1]

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I have come up with a new question, I find it interesting that you found one to be a bus driver and one to have the night kill ability. Shouldn't I expect to see some other form of power roll as well since everyone has a power role in this game. If its set up anything like last game any of the mafia had the ability to perform the night kill but they also had a power role as well. Is that information you're witholding for right now or you didn't get something like that?

I can only tell of the deceased. There were 2 deaths last night. As far as special powers besides NK's, I doubt it, because I didn't get any tells on that. At least on that particular person. That leads me to the second question I got...

Do you have any alignment info at all (not counting flavor)? Like one pro-town, one anti-town, both anti-town, both pro-town?
How certain are you that the killing role isn't a vigilante or paranoid gun owner type role? Is there a chance the killing role could be pro-town?
Does your role name "fit" with the ability you have?

No alignment information, no flavor, no nothing, just their power. It could be a vigilante, but it was most definately a "permanent" night killing ability instead of a one shot or a limited shot one. So there remains the chance that one was a vigilante, I'm hoping not. The role name fits perfectly as to what my ability does.

 

[Kestegs]

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I'm not the person who should notice you're not lurking right?

Whether I'm lurking or not was never really a question, but you seem to insist on making it one.

 

[Sathoris]

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Haha ok keggers.

 

[FredOfErik]

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Hmm. I think I'm on sath's side with the cop-claiming thing. I (even though I read gory's explanation and kinda understand it) don't think it was the smartest thing to do. However, I'm still buying the claim - claiming cop this early as scum without having NK'ed anybody.. Well, yeah..

Ank's semi-claim is interesting. Do you know who had the NK ability (sorry if you've already mentioned this, I'm just about to leave work and haven't got time to go back).

I really have a weird feeling about Glib. The whole quoting thing, offering to take the locking vote even though it wasn't possible, repeatedly mentioning the godfather, etc.

Most likely my favourite candidate for a lynch today. To me it seems more substancial than lynching Autti. Would however like to see some more suggestions/reasoning from other people. I do also like gory's BA/Val idea. Especially Val.

 

[Ankeli1]

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No I don't know which one of them had which power.

 

[Caluin Graye]

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I've been waiting for Sathoris to either confirm or deny this. I didn't want to try and poke too much, since the role claim had already happened. But even after the claim, and the tip to google Lenly (or whatever that name was), I still couldn't see the breadcrumbs. And it seems I wasn't alone.

Why were you checking to see if there were breadcrumbs? Why were you so interested in finding out if Goryani actually was or was not the cop? If he is, he'll provide information helpful to the town. If he's not, eventually he'll be caught in a lie. So I have to ask; why so much curiosity into checking up on Sath and Goryani's claims, looking for breadcrumbs?

My guess is the claim of a cop freaked you out and you wanted to weigh a potential NK action against him. After all, a claimed cop is a juicy target, but if the claim is false...

This, on top of the "I thought I scum-slipped!" comment on day 1, jumps you to my #1 scum.

Vote: korialstraz

 

[LozHinge the Unhinged]

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Hmmm. I think it must be me but I am seeing a lot of weird play/posting/behaviour.

Anyweight. The odd interaction I saw during D1 between Sath and Gory continued to be weird but seems to have resolved itself. Sort of.

I'm not sold on a Autti lynch, mainly because I was so wrong about Skjolde. This I realise is irrational, there is no reason why Skjolde's flip would have any bearing on Autti's alignment.

I am less uneasy about Korial than I was yesterday.

Ankeli is probably not insane enough to out himself this early on, so I am prepared to believe he has some "Seer" power, for the time being.

The only person about whom I was specifically concerned yesterday continues to concern me today and that is flubby. I will vote him, barring some miraculous role reveal (his or anyone else's) that persuades me otherwise.

If I haven't mentioned your name yet, it's because you haven't set off any alarms with me. Mind you, I believe my alarm system is broken and no-functional at this time.

 

[Goryani]

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Don't flatter yourself,

I don't think you reserve profile peeping only for me and that's what I'm worried about. Who else have you checked up on this game?

I was merely checking to see if you were going to reply anytime soon so I could get another reply in before I left. I only saw you looking at the WoT game and thought it funny you were actually checking up on different games to reinforce your point.

I check past games multiple times a game day (even as mafia). I was looking at the WoT game during that time frame (after you called me out and before I responded) to see if that is how YOU reacted to me doing a similar thing that game.

you might have just cost us the game by claiming..

A lone power role among a game of 21 power roles and dreams? Talk about pedestal.

 

[Goryani]

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I can only tell of the deceased. There were 2 deaths last night. As far as special powers besides NK's, I doubt it, because I didn't get any tells on that. At least on that particular person. That leads me to the second question I got...



No alignment information, no flavor, no nothing, just their power. It could be a vigilante, but it was most definately a "permanent" night killing ability instead of a one shot or a limited shot one. So there remains the chance that one was a vigilante, I'm hoping not. The role name fits perfectly as to what my ability does.

Can't believe I didn't ask this earlier: Are you a lynch immune mafia aligned coroner hellbent on sowing discord among the town?

 

[Pyrotechnician1]

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Nice take. When mafia have day talk, they tend to post less in the public thread. Mafia having night talk doesn't mean they aren't talking, just that they are talking where town can't see. I wonder who was absent and who was quieter than normal. I'd bet all the lint in my pockets against all the lint in anyone's pockets that multiple mafia were hiding last night.

I went back to make a count of all the posts between end of day and beginning of day and came up with the following:
FoE - 2
flubb - 14
Goryani - 10
coju - 3
autti - 7
kegs - 7
korial - 3
pyro - 2
Asrin - 9
Loz - 2
Noodle - 2
Sath - 2
BA - 2
Gwaihir - 3
CG - 3
Solar - 2
Laarz - 2
Val - 1

Not really sure where that puts things in perspective but I was really interestd in seeing the numbers (someone can go back and recount if they feel like it), obviously there may be real life issues, play style, etc. Ank was the only one to not post during the entire night phase out of the players alive. When scanning through the posts though I went back to see who Solar and Asrin were interested in seeing lynched and it seems Solar was fixated on Coju most of the night for his laughing post, and Asrin was focused on BA/Val for "bandwaggoning" new players.

 

[flubbucket1]

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Regardless of my obvious spam, I would welcome an investigation.

 

[Sathoris]

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A lone power role among a game of 21 power roles and dreams? Talk about pedestal.

Ok I overdid it, was trying to make a point. Regardless, discussing this any further holds no merit.

Regardless of my obvious spam, I would welcome an investigation.

I think that'd be a waste. Just keep playing your little game.

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I wonder Ankeli, this is a game where everyone has a power role. I take it this includes the mafia, which means one will be the hitman, another a blocker or rolecop and so on. Did whoever that killed Asrrin then just killed the mafia hitman? Cause you didn't get another ability from Asrrin, just his permanent NK ability. Does this mean the hitman gets passed on to the next mafia man, who then either gains the hitman in addition or loses his original ability.

I'm wondering about this because usually mafia have no designated hitman anymore, they just chose one each night. And considering we all have a power role this game, wouldn't a sole NK ability for a mafia member not be considered a power role?

I don't trust you Ankeli.

Vote: Ankeli

 

[Sathoris]

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Edit to above: thought I read that you pegged Asrrin as the mafia instead of Solar Ice.

 

[flubbucket1]

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In the WIFOA game we gave the NK duty to Laarz due to his ninja ability.

 

[Ankeli1]

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It could've been a vigilante as well. I don't understand your vote on me anyway, and you just popped quite high on my list.

 

[Sathoris]

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One death from poison, one dead in a sacrificial position. Doesn't sound like a vigilante's work.
With the addition of a special wincon role and the kill flavours to be nasty I think that we have an SK. Which explains two kills.
Neither Solar nor Asrrin really jumped to me as vigilante targets after a single day. Reckless vigilante in that case.

 

[Sathoris]

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And I'd like your take on what I just laid on you..

 

[korialstraz]

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Why were you checking to see if there were breadcrumbs? Why were you so interested in finding out if Goryani actually was or was not the cop? If he is, he'll provide information helpful to the town. If he's not, eventually he'll be caught in a lie. So I have to ask; why so much curiosity into checking up on Sath and Goryani's claims, looking for breadcrumbs?

My guess is the claim of a cop freaked you out and you wanted to weigh a potential NK action against him. After all, a claimed cop is a juicy target, but if the claim is false...

This, on top of the "I thought I scum-slipped!" comment on day 1, jumps you to my #1 scum.

Vote: korialstraz

Actually this was out of curiosity on how people manage to spot breadcrumbs like Gory claimed Sath did to identify him as a cop. I may have got some of the basics down, but there are still plenty left to learn.

The claim by no means freaked me out. I was a bit shocked that a cop claim happened so early though, which is the second reason for why it interested me so much. Gory claimed it was due to the breadcrumbs, and I didn't spot any, neither before nor after the claim until he pointed them out himself. This was a good opportunity for me to learn a bit more about how you experienced players do things.