Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Around there, 4 PM EST tomorrow, which is about 17 1/2 hours from this post.
Around there, 4 PM EST tomorrow, which is about 17 1/2 hours from this post.
Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
- Thread starter Uraj
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
KI mentions item. Does NOT mention kit or anything else specific.
Loz specifically mentiones kit. Also, look at the formatting of the spaces. Here is the same quote, but spaces are replaced with ampersands:
"particular&piece&of&&kit&does."
Notice the double ampersand before kit. I believe a single word before kit was erased. Like a copy+paste then erase of a key word that would reveal too much to the mafia. Someone gets townie points.
And here we see what word that may be. It seems abundantly clear that Loz knew about the item before KI posted the specifics.
I'm unsure how that guarantees Loz is townie. I thought I saw someone mention that only townies can receive the item though I don't remember seeing KI specifically say so.
One thing is clear, we need to take a long hard look at players saying that Loz wasn't able to confirm any details of the item. He provided two unique details (kit and single use) and forensic evidence of his post shows a missing word which exactly fits the "forensic kit" template.
KI mentions item. Does NOT mention kit or anything else specific.
Loz specifically mentiones kit. Also, look at the formatting of the spaces. Here is the same quote, but spaces are replaced with ampersands:
"particular&piece&of&&kit&does."
Notice the double ampersand before kit. I believe a single word before kit was erased. Like a copy+paste then erase of a key word that would reveal too much to the mafia. Someone gets townie points.
And here we see what word that may be. It seems abundantly clear that Loz knew about the item before KI posted the specifics.
I'm unsure how that guarantees Loz is townie. I thought I saw someone mention that only townies can receive the item though I don't remember seeing KI specifically say so.
One thing is clear, we need to take a long hard look at players saying that Loz wasn't able to confirm any details of the item. He provided two unique details (kit and single use) and forensic evidence of his post shows a missing word which exactly fits the "forensic kit" template.
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I'm trying to act nice. Holding back. The essence is the same, the output is censored due to recent events.
Well this is a useful skill to have. Maybe I should run for the parliament the next time the election's up.
Noodle, sit. Noodle? Nooooodle...? Where are you?
... That's a serious question, you're so so quiet this game. And nothing going on with you and BA? Should I draw conclusions?
I'm trying to act nice. Holding back. The essence is the same, the output is censored due to recent events.
Well this is a useful skill to have. Maybe I should run for the parliament the next time the election's up.
Noodle, sit. Noodle? Nooooodle...? Where are you?
... That's a serious question, you're so so quiet this game. And nothing going on with you and BA? Should I draw conclusions?
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Ugh, it seems my mafia mojo has left me for quite some time. Let's see if I can pick it back up again. I spent most of the night reading through the entire thread again, picking up what little I can here and there.
A little defense on my part for those that still don't believe me to be a cop. When I claimed, the only person that had died at that time was Gorny, who was confirmed to be our bus driver thanks to Uraj. I imagine this game has AT LEAST one cop in it, and my hope was that if I claimed early enough in the day, it would let those suspicious of me see that no one else chimed in saying THEY were the cop. Obviously that has been overlooked and/or there are scum desperate to try and invalidate my claim based on my semi-lame investigations.
Moving on....
I see no reason to doubt Krazey's role claim because of Caluin's verification. Additionally, I don't doubt Caluin's claim because of Asrrin NOT pressing for his lynch when he suggested that Asrrin targeted TC night 2. That would also indirectly prove Asrrin's innocence, seeing as how night two we had two anti town players targeting Laarz and the lovely Ms. Leo (I severely doubt there are 3 anti-town factions).
If you believe me to be the cop, I would ask that you believe ThunderCat's claim as well, unless you think he's the mafia don, but my gut tells me that's not the case (disclaimer: just a hunch).
Townies (through the eyes of Marahumm):
Krazeyivan
Asrrin
Caluin Graye
ThunderCat
Marahumm
Which leaves:
CoolguyBad
Goryani
Noodle
Zarniwoop
Bad Ash
Technomancer
Sathoris
Ankeli
Lozhinge the Unhinged
In a 19 player game, I'm going to make the assumption that there are 3 mafia players and a serial killer / kidnapper.
Of the players left, I'll have to go back at some point and see if I can figure out any patterns in voting between them, see how they have been interacting with each other, how they have NOT been interacting with each other, etc.
Involving Lozhinge and the receiving of an item, I've never heard of the item hand-off being voided if the recipient is anti-town. Even IF loz prooved he received an item, it doesn't prove his innocence one bit.
Some questions for a few people, but everyone is welcome to answer:
Bad Ash: Do you believe, based on the timing of my claim on day 1, that the actual cop had enough time to counter my claim?
Zarniwoop: Are you anti-town?
Technomancer: Do you think the serial killer had a special relationship with the victim? Do you think he can kidnap again?
One more thing before I head for bed. According to the setting of Laarz's death, it could very well be that he was killed by someone he trusted. If there is no sign of struggle, and if what TC says is true in that he WAS the head of security, any other deputies might want to watch your back, just in case you got a double agent in your mix.
That's all I really have for now. I'm sorry this is all reall late. Unfortunately I'll be at work all day tomorrow and until the day phase ended. The only time I'll be able to actually post on my phone will really be during the lunch hour, 3 - 2 hours before the day phase ends. I will absolutely have a vote by then.
Ugh, it seems my mafia mojo has left me for quite some time. Let's see if I can pick it back up again. I spent most of the night reading through the entire thread again, picking up what little I can here and there.
A little defense on my part for those that still don't believe me to be a cop. When I claimed, the only person that had died at that time was Gorny, who was confirmed to be our bus driver thanks to Uraj. I imagine this game has AT LEAST one cop in it, and my hope was that if I claimed early enough in the day, it would let those suspicious of me see that no one else chimed in saying THEY were the cop. Obviously that has been overlooked and/or there are scum desperate to try and invalidate my claim based on my semi-lame investigations.
Moving on....
I see no reason to doubt Krazey's role claim because of Caluin's verification. Additionally, I don't doubt Caluin's claim because of Asrrin NOT pressing for his lynch when he suggested that Asrrin targeted TC night 2. That would also indirectly prove Asrrin's innocence, seeing as how night two we had two anti town players targeting Laarz and the lovely Ms. Leo (I severely doubt there are 3 anti-town factions).
If you believe me to be the cop, I would ask that you believe ThunderCat's claim as well, unless you think he's the mafia don, but my gut tells me that's not the case (disclaimer: just a hunch).
Townies (through the eyes of Marahumm):
Krazeyivan
Asrrin
Caluin Graye
ThunderCat
Marahumm
Which leaves:
CoolguyBad
Goryani
Noodle
Zarniwoop
Bad Ash
Technomancer
Sathoris
Ankeli
Lozhinge the Unhinged
In a 19 player game, I'm going to make the assumption that there are 3 mafia players and a serial killer / kidnapper.
Of the players left, I'll have to go back at some point and see if I can figure out any patterns in voting between them, see how they have been interacting with each other, how they have NOT been interacting with each other, etc.
Involving Lozhinge and the receiving of an item, I've never heard of the item hand-off being voided if the recipient is anti-town. Even IF loz prooved he received an item, it doesn't prove his innocence one bit.
Some questions for a few people, but everyone is welcome to answer:
Bad Ash: Do you believe, based on the timing of my claim on day 1, that the actual cop had enough time to counter my claim?
Zarniwoop: Are you anti-town?
Technomancer: Do you think the serial killer had a special relationship with the victim? Do you think he can kidnap again?
One more thing before I head for bed. According to the setting of Laarz's death, it could very well be that he was killed by someone he trusted. If there is no sign of struggle, and if what TC says is true in that he WAS the head of security, any other deputies might want to watch your back, just in case you got a double agent in your mix.
That's all I really have for now. I'm sorry this is all reall late. Unfortunately I'll be at work all day tomorrow and until the day phase ended. The only time I'll be able to actually post on my phone will really be during the lunch hour, 3 - 2 hours before the day phase ends. I will absolutely have a vote by then.
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Why would mafia come to the conclusion that Asrrin targeted TC night 2?
Your power seems really useful, and I'm unhappy you said this ^ because the mafia must've come to the same conclusion. I'd expect you to die overnight.
Why would mafia come to the conclusion that Asrrin targeted TC night 2?
ThunderCat
Active member
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The conclusion Ankeli is referring to is that Caulin has a "really useful power".
Now, back to Marahumm. I asked you this twice and yet no reply. I wonder if it's worth asking a third time? You claim to have read the thread last time, yet nothing. And before anyone else points it, yes, I do remember Goryani asking me a question which I haven't replied too, but I cannot find it. If someone can point me to it, I'll appreciate it.
Right, so, Marahumm, it looks to me that you are avoiding talking about your flavor. But, if you really want to prove your claim, you need to come up with something other than "pro town". My role also has a name (name of the role). If you can mention it, and I approve it, you'll be confirmed (100% in my eyes at least).
Who we should lynch? Either a lurker or Marahumm. I have no other candidates.
The conclusion Ankeli is referring to is that Caulin has a "really useful power".
Now, back to Marahumm. I asked you this twice and yet no reply. I wonder if it's worth asking a third time? You claim to have read the thread last time, yet nothing. And before anyone else points it, yes, I do remember Goryani asking me a question which I haven't replied too, but I cannot find it. If someone can point me to it, I'll appreciate it.
Right, so, Marahumm, it looks to me that you are avoiding talking about your flavor. But, if you really want to prove your claim, you need to come up with something other than "pro town". My role also has a name (name of the role). If you can mention it, and I approve it, you'll be confirmed (100% in my eyes at least).
Who we should lynch? Either a lurker or Marahumm. I have no other candidates.
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@Mara (post too long to quote)
Just about everything you have posted this game is a WIFOM argument.
Why would a close-to-lynch-mafia claim to be cop early enough to give the real cop time to counter? To out the real cop.
Why would a self-confirmed sane cop that "imagine this game has AT LEAST one cop in it" want to let the "other cops" know you are the sane one? The "other cops" are obviously the insane/naive/paranoid ones.
I'll conclude with asking my own WIFOM questions:
How likely is a game with a sane cop, tracker/watcher, and coroner? Three powerful informational roles. What would you conclude about the numbers or power of the mafia in such a game?
@Mara (post too long to quote)
Just about everything you have posted this game is a WIFOM argument.
Why would a close-to-lynch-mafia claim to be cop early enough to give the real cop time to counter? To out the real cop.
Why would a self-confirmed sane cop that "imagine this game has AT LEAST one cop in it" want to let the "other cops" know you are the sane one? The "other cops" are obviously the insane/naive/paranoid ones.
I'll conclude with asking my own WIFOM questions:
How likely is a game with a sane cop, tracker/watcher, and coroner? Three powerful informational roles. What would you conclude about the numbers or power of the mafia in such a game?
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Unvote: Bad Ash
Since there is no love for that direction. Well, not enough at least. I'm sort of OK with lynching Mara as well, and since he's the prime candidate for today, I guess I have to toss my vote in the pool too. His alignment will pretty much reveal BA's cards completely, so it might be counter productive, but yeah...
Vote: Marahumm
And yes Goryani, like TC said, I was referring to the "very useful power" part.
Unvote: Bad Ash
Since there is no love for that direction. Well, not enough at least. I'm sort of OK with lynching Mara as well, and since he's the prime candidate for today, I guess I have to toss my vote in the pool too. His alignment will pretty much reveal BA's cards completely, so it might be counter productive, but yeah...
Vote: Marahumm
And yes Goryani, like TC said, I was referring to the "very useful power" part.
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When did you investigate Feysal? What time of day, what posts had you read or not read at the time? Also, why Feysal over Laarz?
When did you investigate Feysal? What time of day, what posts had you read or not read at the time? Also, why Feysal over Laarz?
Technomancer
New member
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This whole thing sounds so out-blatantly wrong, that I'm inclined to think that it's NOT and that this is just worded really badly and is a mistake, or I'm just reading it really badly! I honestly don't know what to make of this right now, but I think this begs for a better explanation. Either you were extremely sleepy writing this, or I am extremely sleepy reading this. Probably both. I at least know the conditions on my end. 
There may be a connection, or the idea that there may be a connection may have been the exact motivation by someone with no connection. :scratchhead:
At this point, I don't know if she's still alive (I'm less less sure than I was yesterday), but I think they can kidnap again. I predict there will be another missing person tomorrow. Why? Last game, the cult could only recruit on even numbered days, and it makes sense as a continuing game mechanic for third parties. That would explain kidnapping on N2 and not on N1 and N3. If there is another kidnapping tomorrow, that well establishes the pattern.
It seems like I'm about the only one harping on all this, I might be the next to go missing...
:grin: I wish everyone could keep this kind of spirit! It is awesome! My first game was last game, and I got whacked out tonight, and Val (also his first game) got lynched today (if I remember correctly). You and Coolguy are doing pretty good so far, hope you make it longer than me and Val did!
That's understandable. Can't hold that against.I'm trying to act nice. Holding back. The essence is the same, the output is censored due to recent events.
Now this is getting a little weird. I hear he's usually kinda quiet, but he was REALLY quiet last game and turned up scum... :scratchchin:
Umm, what? This is confusing the heck out of me. It almost sounds like you're saying when you claimed, you didn't even know if there was a cop in the game (as in, were their ANY cops in this game (?)). You "imagine" this game has at least one cop in it? If you were a cop, I'd imagine you would KNOW there was at least one! And if you meant to say "at least one OTHER cop", I still don't follow what you were trying to get at. Everyone was pretty shocked when you claimed cop, because that's a veritable death sentence, but you didn't really have any choice. Certainly, no one else was going to expose themselves that early no matter what they knew.
This whole thing sounds so out-blatantly wrong, that I'm inclined to think that it's NOT and that this is just worded really badly and is a mistake, or I'm just reading it really badly! I honestly don't know what to make of this right now, but I think this begs for a better explanation. Either you were extremely sleepy writing this, or I am extremely sleepy reading this. Probably both.
I at least know the conditions on my end. I hadn't really thought of this, but that could very well be true. In the Zombie game, items couldn't be passed to scum (or at least not to the mafia (?)), but you sat that one out. The only one who could answer this is Uraj, and he'll probably be keeping this to himself this far in.
Maybe this is my misunderstanding from above: I don't think a cop WOULD try to counter your claim that early, at least not openly, because they would be endangering themselves. Maybe if someone out there was trying to counter your claim, they just did it covertly by pushing for a lynch instead of exposing themselves?
LOL!! :rolf:
To be perfectly honest, I think the sk/kidnapper/cultist may well have had a special relationship with the victim, but who knows. I was mildly suspicious of you, depending on what the implications of the kidnap really were, but didn't think you do something that obvious so soon. I started looking at people she had been buddy-buddy with so far and wondered about Loz and others. And yes, obviously, I fall into this category as well. I also wondered if anyone might have a bone to pick with her, but everyone loves Leo.
There may be a connection, or the idea that there may be a connection may have been the exact motivation by someone with no connection. :scratchhead:At this point, I don't know if she's still alive (I'm less less sure than I was yesterday), but I think they can kidnap again. I predict there will be another missing person tomorrow. Why? Last game, the cult could only recruit on even numbered days, and it makes sense as a continuing game mechanic for third parties. That would explain kidnapping on N2 and not on N1 and N3. If there is another kidnapping tomorrow, that well establishes the pattern.
It seems like I'm about the only one harping on all this, I might be the next to go missing...
ThunderCat
Active member
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All I remember is that it was somewhere close to the end of the first 24 hours. The kind of investigation I tried involved both Feysal and Laarz. But I was informed by Uraj that only Feysal's investigation succeeded.
All I remember is that it was somewhere close to the end of the first 24 hours. The kind of investigation I tried involved both Feysal and Laarz. But I was informed by Uraj that only Feysal's investigation succeeded.
Technomancer
New member
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Well, I'm signing off, and just in case I can't make it tomorrow before close, I'll place a vote:
Vote: Marahumm
I went and did some other stuff, came back and re-read the cop stuff, and it's still not adding up. Goryani also brought up an interesting idea:
Btw, what the hell does "WIFOM" mean?
I'll try to get on tomorrow and see what I can see, but if I can't make it (again), at least I'll have a vote in place.
Well, I'm signing off, and just in case I can't make it tomorrow before close, I'll place a vote:
Vote: Marahumm
I went and did some other stuff, came back and re-read the cop stuff, and it's still not adding up. Goryani also brought up an interesting idea:
Hmm. :scratchchin:
Btw, what the hell does "WIFOM" mean?
I'll try to get on tomorrow and see what I can see, but if I can't make it (again), at least I'll have a vote in place.
Technomancer
New member
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Oh yeah, and for the record, on the next game, can we PLEASE have the close time around 8-9pm EST?!!!!lol!!!!
Oh yeah, and for the record, on the next game, can we PLEASE have the close time around 8-9pm EST?!!!!lol!!!!
ThunderCat
Active member
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That would be way too late for us Europeans (or too early).
That would be way too late for us Europeans (or too early).
ThunderCat
Active member
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Well, that's not good.
Ivan, Loz, Caulin, who do you guys think we should lynch?
Well, that's not good.
Ivan, Loz, Caulin, who do you guys think we should lynch?
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Please, if we decide to lynch Mara today, let's lynch Noodle next. These are practically the only posts he's posted all game long, and at the very least we need to policy lynch him. Lurkers ~ scum.
Unvote: LozHunge the Unhinged
I guess I jumped the gun and didn't see that little tidbit hat proved his townie status, but I'm still on the fence about Mara. I'll lock him if need be, but we should really start lynching the people who are lurking, if only to weed out people who aren't actually playing the game.
Please, if we decide to lynch Mara today, let's lynch Noodle next. These are practically the only posts he's posted all game long, and at the very least we need to policy lynch him. Lurkers ~ scum.
Unvote: LozHunge the Unhinged
I guess I jumped the gun and didn't see that little tidbit hat proved his townie status, but I'm still on the fence about Mara. I'll lock him if need be, but we should really start lynching the people who are lurking, if only to weed out people who aren't actually playing the game.
