Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.

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Asrrin said:
It's been proven over and over that lynching everyday, even if it's completely random, benefits the town. I am, and always have been an advocate of lynching. If you want to vote me because of that fine. I'm not unvoting Mara because of the current rules of today, I can't unvote without first voting someone. The only other person that I have suspicions on are Sathoris. Everyone else hasn't said much and there isn't enough information to lynch. Once I find another viable lynch candidate, I'll unvote Mara because of his claim. Though I still doubt the veracity of his claim, I'm hestant to lynch a claimed power role.
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for Mara to soft claim/claim so boldly like that on the FIRST DAY is not like him at all. you should know that too. i believe his claim.


 
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Mara isn't confirmed cop, he didn't leave breadcrumbs to him being a cop so I wouldn't take that as a fact just yet.

Thundercat is a good lynch as any. He's not bothering to scumhunt, even know he does nothing and he's giving out threats to find him a lynch target or he'll lynch mara. Yes Asrrin shared that sentiment but it was TC who suggested it.

If someone plays anti-town and someone follows that one I'd rather lynch the original anti-town guy. But Mara definately isn't the lynch for today.
 
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Sathoris said:
Mara isn't confirmed cop, he didn't leave breadcrumbs to him being a cop so I wouldn't take that as a fact just yet.

Thundercat is a good lynch as any. He's not bothering to scumhunt, even know he does nothing and he's giving out threats to find him a lynch target or he'll lynch mara. Yes Asrrin shared that sentiment but it was TC who suggested it.

If someone plays anti-town and someone follows that one I'd rather lynch the original anti-town guy. But Mara definately isn't the lynch for today.
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how did he not leave breadcrumbs? if i understood correctly, he did what every cop should do on the first night. i agree that Mara is not the lynch for today. and i want to make a comment about TC and Asrrin but my sentence isn't forming so i'll get back to it.

gg on the double R! :thumbup::thumbup:


 
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Leopold Stotch said:
how did he not leave breadcrumbs? if i understood correctly, he did what every cop should do on the first night. i agree that Mara is not the lynch for today. and i want to make a comment about TC and Asrrin but my sentence isn't forming so i'll get back to it.

gg on the double R! :thumbup::thumbup:
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Well he hinted at having a PR several times but not what kind. Gorny for instance left his bus driver hint early in the day to point to when he needs to claim. Mara didn't subetly hint at something cop related.

But this is irrelevant today.


 
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Zarniwoop said:
Show me a link to the proof that lynching someone every day, even if that person is say a cop or a doctor or something valuable, is better than avoiding the lynch altogether for the town.
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2265795&sid=2ebca662bfe35b123ca9f6b2bca58748

Was just on my number one google search. Look up any theorycrafting to do with Forum mafia and the numbers don't lie. A no lynch day one significantly reduces the town statistical chances to win. I have this argument with someone every game.


 
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Also, don't put words in my mouth. I said a random lynch is better than a no lynch, but once information starts to play a role and the statistics of randomness no longer apply, no lynches may be useful (such as during end game). For games in which players are essentially voting at random, the rules apply.
 
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Marahumm said:
Whenever you decide to play the game as if you cared, you'll notice I listed suspects lozhinge and zarni before I even claimed. Or are they not valid lynch targets for some reason?
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For what it's worth, I was trying to hide your somewhat subtle claim. By valid lynch target I was referring to someone you will investigate that will turn out anti town to prove your claim.

Sathoris said:
Thundercat is a good lynch as any. He's not bothering to scumhunt, even know he does nothing and he's giving out threats to find him a lynch target or he'll lynch mara. Yes Asrrin shared that sentiment but it was TC who suggested it.
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So because I didn't find Mara suspicious and asked him to give us a better lynch target you're on my case? That comment was placed there since Marahumm had quite a few votes on him. But then again, lately you've been quite aggressive so I understand your train of thought.
Also, regarding the no scum hunting, you've played with me in other games quite a few times. Haven't you noticed that I don't really do much in the first few days of the game?


 
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ThunderCat said:
For what it's worth, I was trying to hide your somewhat subtle claim. By valid lynch target I was referring to someone you will investigate that will turn out anti town to prove your claim.
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What's to say that Mara wouldn't throw one of his scum buddies under the bus just to throw us off his trail? Sacrifice one mafia to have another taken as pro-town as face value is a pretty good ploy.

I will admit I'm feeling less sure about Mara, though, but am keeping my vote on him for the time being just for calling me 'the new guy.'



 
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Caluin Graye said:
What's to say that Mara wouldn't throw one of his scum buddies under the bus just to throw us off his trail? Sacrifice one mafia to have another taken as pro-town as face value is a pretty good ploy.

I will admit I'm feeling less sure about Mara, though, but am keeping my vote on him for the time being just for calling me 'the new guy.'
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It's a possibility. I don't remember seeing it done before, but it's always possible.

Marahumm said:
Before my phone dies:


Unvote: Lozhinge the Unhinged
Vote: ThunderCat
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I take your side and then you turn around and vote for me? That was totally unexpected. Would the reason for my confusion be that I've been gone for too long from mafia games?


 
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That study proves nothing except the fact that in very small games, you're better off lynching someone every night. That's it. And that's what happens here as the game gets whittled down. We rarely miss a lynch after day 2.

They are playing very small games where the day 1 stakes are very high.

With 19 people, the day 1 stakes are almost irrelevant UNLESS we lynch a mafia player or a town power role.

Those tables also show that the only times the town has an increased chance of winning are when they get lucky and peg a mafia day 1.

I would agree with that study ONLY if we had a very small playerbase in the game.

You're comparing apples to water buffaloes. If you've been touting that page as the reasoning for day 1 lynches, I find zero merit to it, ESPECIALLY if there's reason to believe the person everyone is targeting is not mafia.
 
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Caulin asked if there's a possibility that a mafia would claim cop and denounce one of his mafia buddies in order to gain town cred. Not the same thing as those two games.
 
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ThunderCat said:
Caulin asked if there's a possibility that a mafia would claim cop and denounce one of his mafia buddies in order to gain town cred. Not the same thing as those two games.
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That's always possible with veteran players.

I certainly don't give mara a clean bill of health, I just know that with the huge games we play, the "must lynch day 1" policy is just about irrelevant. I'm shocked that no one has poked that full of holes before this.



 
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Marahumm is a very good player at mafia and at this stage of the game, if he's telling the truth would, would be a big loss to the town and I don't think we should pursue it further even if it leads to a non-lynch.

Unvote: Valhauros
Vote: Thundercat
 
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Argh! it submitted before I was done,

My reasoning: His post of "Mar, give me someone else to lynch then" claim sounds to me like a backhanded forced roleclaim. Marahumm did not have nearly enough traction to claim cop at the stage he did (but I understand why you did) and TC seemed to be searching for answers. The only one Marahumm could give that could be true known to him is his role, and I know he didnt come out and say it directly but I think he was implying it and it worked
 
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