Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
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Surprised to still see you respond, Spankeh! Thanks for the information.
Seeing as how Spankeh wrote more than a paragraph about the importance of life leech for this build in order to stay alive, I can see why he would go with String of Ears. I would like to hear his reply though, as Verdungos is a very nice belt.
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brainlessss
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Re: Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
Hey guys.
I did a frenzy barb it is at lvl 86 atm. Currently i`m using Grief Zerker And Death Ettin Axe, but the attack speed before i "charge" up seem quite low, so now i`m thinking of removing one of the axes and make a Beast Ettin axe. Would that be a good idea?
The other thing that`s bugging me is physical immunes. I wonder if i get 1 point in berserk and since i have +10 to skills would those 11 % Magic dmg from berserk synergy help me kill immunes. And if i get 9 Barb combat skillers + life this would mean 20 lvl berserk.
My other gear is:
Low Arreats
Upped um`ed Shaftstop
SoE
Gores
Dracul`s
Highlord
Low raven
Cathan`s ring
Max dmg ar life res charms, torch and Anni.
So any thoughts on these things?
Hey guys.
I did a frenzy barb it is at lvl 86 atm. Currently i`m using Grief Zerker And Death Ettin Axe, but the attack speed before i "charge" up seem quite low, so now i`m thinking of removing one of the axes and make a Beast Ettin axe. Would that be a good idea?
The other thing that`s bugging me is physical immunes. I wonder if i get 1 point in berserk and since i have +10 to skills would those 11 % Magic dmg from berserk synergy help me kill immunes. And if i get 9 Barb combat skillers + life this would mean 20 lvl berserk.
My other gear is:
Low Arreats
Upped um`ed Shaftstop
SoE
Gores
Dracul`s
Highlord
Low raven
Cathan`s ring
Max dmg ar life res charms, torch and Anni.
So any thoughts on these things?
Re: Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
I see below that you're using Dracul's. Personally, I would switch out for Laying of Hands, which will help your speed. As for the switch, you could go with a Beast Ettin but the Fanaticism aura from Beast would already speed you up so I don't think that the Ettin is necessary. Also, make sure you're using your faster weapon on your primary hand and the slower one on your secondary. In this case, Grief on primary, Death on Secondary.
Spankeh hates Berserk but I put one point in it and use it to clear out physical immunes. All you need is the 1 point though, that'll definitely be enough. Don't switch out your max/ar/life charms for Combat skillers. It's unnecessary.
The only glaring issue is the Cathan's. Work on getting a rare/craft that has high life leech and other good mods. I think there are better choices than Shaftstop, but it's fine. All in all, you seem to be doing well.
I see below that you're using Dracul's. Personally, I would switch out for Laying of Hands, which will help your speed. As for the switch, you could go with a Beast Ettin but the Fanaticism aura from Beast would already speed you up so I don't think that the Ettin is necessary. Also, make sure you're using your faster weapon on your primary hand and the slower one on your secondary. In this case, Grief on primary, Death on Secondary.
Spankeh hates Berserk but I put one point in it and use it to clear out physical immunes. All you need is the 1 point though, that'll definitely be enough. Don't switch out your max/ar/life charms for Combat skillers. It's unnecessary.
The only glaring issue is the Cathan's. Work on getting a rare/craft that has high life leech and other good mods. I think there are better choices than Shaftstop, but it's fine. All in all, you seem to be doing well.
brainlessss
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Also which weapon would be better replace with the beast - the zerk grief or the death ettin.
And if i have 9x 10max 70ar charms(lets say all Gc`s are 10/70).
Which will be better?(not rly good at math...)
Edit: I tried LoH and the attack speed picked up quite nicely. I wonder if i get a beast will it get even better?
Well atm i`m using Ik gloves, but i`m bidding on draculs so i`ll be proly using them soon.
Wont the extra LL be better for my build?
I diddn`t really understand that sentence. Also will Beast RW in ettin axe reaxh the final attack speed breakpoint or will i need to look for a berserker axe instead.
Also which weapon would be better replace with the beast - the zerk grief or the death ettin.
Yes i`m doing that but it is too slow for my taste.
By saying i want 1 point in zerk i didn`t mean i would actually use zerk. I meant will it help my frenzy skill to kill Physical immunes, as it adds magic dmg..
Okay lets do some math here. Just hypothetically. One charm will give me 8% bonus dmg from dowble swing and 5% dmg & 8% attack rating per frenzy lvl. So 9x8%=72%dmg from double swing and 9x5%=45%dmg + 9x7% ar=63% ar.
And if i have 9x 10max 70ar charms(lets say all Gc`s are 10/70).
Which will be better?(not rly good at math...)
Yes i will try to get a rare/crafted 10 ll 20 str res +++ ring, but when i can afford it. Also if u have a suggestion for a cheap better substitue for my Shaftstop feel free to tell me. I`m using current equipz as i cannot get better at this moment.
Edit: I tried LoH and the attack speed picked up quite nicely. I wonder if i get a beast will it get even better?
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The extra LL will definitely help, but there are two components to the LL: your total life leech and the damage you're doing. Laying of Hands not only gives you the speed bonus (as you realized below with your edit) but gives you 350% damage to demons, which will help your LL out a ton.
Yeah, sorry, looking back that is a poorly constructed sentence. I was saying that once you equip Beast, you'll have the Fanaticism aura which will speed you up a lot anyway and you won't really have to worry about improving your speed in other areas. I would think that you'd want to go Beast/Grief but I play with swords instead of axes so I'm not as familiar with Beast and what pairs best with it.
Well, I don't know how much that'll help you. I have one point in Berserk, which turns into 7 points with my gear, and the magic damage done in a normal Frenzy attack is still very weak. I almost always switch to Berserk and chop down PIs that way instead.
This admittedly isn't my forte, so you're better off having someone else explain the math behind the charm choice.
Well, you don't even need something that godly for a ring right now. Cathan's pretty much does nothing besides give you 6% LL. I have a ring with 6% LL/+9 Str/+6 Dex/7% All Resists and I doubt that I could sell it for more than Pul-Um so you could easily pick up something for cheap. Don't overpay for temps, but there's nothing wrong with throwing low-mid runes over a significant upgrade.
As for the alternative to Shaftstop, I usually prefer something like Lionheart (cheap at Hel + Lum + Fal) just for the extra life, stats, resists. That's a preference though, so I can see why you might choose 30% DR instead.
The extra LL will definitely help, but there are two components to the LL: your total life leech and the damage you're doing. Laying of Hands not only gives you the speed bonus (as you realized below with your edit) but gives you 350% damage to demons, which will help your LL out a ton.
Yeah, sorry, looking back that is a poorly constructed sentence. I was saying that once you equip Beast, you'll have the Fanaticism aura which will speed you up a lot anyway and you won't really have to worry about improving your speed in other areas. I would think that you'd want to go Beast/Grief but I play with swords instead of axes so I'm not as familiar with Beast and what pairs best with it.
Well, I don't know how much that'll help you. I have one point in Berserk, which turns into 7 points with my gear, and the magic damage done in a normal Frenzy attack is still very weak. I almost always switch to Berserk and chop down PIs that way instead.
This admittedly isn't my forte, so you're better off having someone else explain the math behind the charm choice.
Well, you don't even need something that godly for a ring right now. Cathan's pretty much does nothing besides give you 6% LL. I have a ring with 6% LL/+9 Str/+6 Dex/7% All Resists and I doubt that I could sell it for more than Pul-Um so you could easily pick up something for cheap. Don't overpay for temps, but there's nothing wrong with throwing low-mid runes over a significant upgrade.
As for the alternative to Shaftstop, I usually prefer something like Lionheart (cheap at Hel + Lum + Fal) just for the extra life, stats, resists. That's a preference though, so I can see why you might choose 30% DR instead.
brainlessss
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Yes i agree LoH is too good to pass and i`m sticking with it. The 20 ias + 350 % to demons + 50 fire resist is pretty awwesome and i can`t miss that.
I did a Beast in 15 ed ettin axe and it`s superb the speed + dmg bouns is awesome and i wouldn`t change it. I`m using Beast/Grief as it is faster than Beast/Death.
I used 1 point in berserk and the bonus dmg is niot nearly enough to kill PIs so i just switch to berserk and wipe them.
I did a simple test by lifting and putting one 8max 50 ar GC it actually gives + 79 max dmg and ~400 ar at least that is shown in the stats tab. And when i lift and put a combat skiller it gives 44 max dmg and ~100 attack rating, so it is clear who is the winner here.
Well i got a 10 LL 23 str 30 life 11 fire res ring and it is working pretty good.
I just can`t pass the 30% DR on shaftstop it is too big a difference. The only alternative for me is if i have a 2ber 15dr CoA + Enigma. I don`t see any other replacement for um`ed up`ed Arreat`s & Um`ed up`ed Shaftstop
Yes i agree LoH is too good to pass and i`m sticking with it. The 20 ias + 350 % to demons + 50 fire resist is pretty awwesome and i can`t miss that.
I did a Beast in 15 ed ettin axe and it`s superb the speed + dmg bouns is awesome and i wouldn`t change it. I`m using Beast/Grief as it is faster than Beast/Death.
I used 1 point in berserk and the bonus dmg is niot nearly enough to kill PIs so i just switch to berserk and wipe them.
I did a simple test by lifting and putting one 8max 50 ar GC it actually gives + 79 max dmg and ~400 ar at least that is shown in the stats tab. And when i lift and put a combat skiller it gives 44 max dmg and ~100 attack rating, so it is clear who is the winner here.
Well i got a 10 LL 23 str 30 life 11 fire res ring and it is working pretty good.
I just can`t pass the 30% DR on shaftstop it is too big a difference. The only alternative for me is if i have a 2ber 15dr CoA + Enigma. I don`t see any other replacement for um`ed up`ed Arreat`s & Um`ed up`ed Shaftstop
Re: Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
how much cb is on death? im planning to use as it stands, arreats, coh, death, botd, highlords, dracs, string of ears, gores, and 2 ravens and anni, what will my cb be? i usually aim for around 70% on a smiter, just unsure on certain aspects of my build at the mo, and losing arreats for guillaumes is sacrificing my res, str, dex, and skills for a bit of cb, is that worth it???
how much cb is on death? im planning to use as it stands, arreats, coh, death, botd, highlords, dracs, string of ears, gores, and 2 ravens and anni, what will my cb be? i usually aim for around 70% on a smiter, just unsure on certain aspects of my build at the mo, and losing arreats for guillaumes is sacrificing my res, str, dex, and skills for a bit of cb, is that worth it???
hubb
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Equipment looks good. I'd keep a T-gods in inventory to use vs Meph.
50%CB on Death, 35%CB/15%DS on Guillaume's. You wouldn't use G-face for 'a bit' of CB, you'd do it so you can use 2 Griefs (more damage and speed) while maintaining higher CB. Arreat's is perhaps better suited to this build so feel free to keep it, and I do like the Death/Grief setup. Just be sure to have Death in the left weapon slot, you can still have Grief as primary weapon by picking up and putting down the Death when both weapons are equipped.
Equipment looks good. I'd keep a T-gods in inventory to use vs Meph.
50%CB on Death, 35%CB/15%DS on Guillaume's. You wouldn't use G-face for 'a bit' of CB, you'd do it so you can use 2 Griefs (more damage and speed) while maintaining higher CB. Arreat's is perhaps better suited to this build so feel free to keep it, and I do like the Death/Grief setup. Just be sure to have Death in the left weapon slot, you can still have Grief as primary weapon by picking up and putting down the Death when both weapons are equipped.
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do you think that death plus gores will give enough cb to take down uber bosses quickly enough? 65% doesnt sound like that much to me somehow... and you mention grief, would grief pair up with death better than botd because a loss of those 30 attributes is a lot and the damage doesnt seem to me to be that different between grief and botd, its just the attributes , ll, and 60ias seem perfect on botd, correct me if i'm wrong
do you think that death plus gores will give enough cb to take down uber bosses quickly enough? 65% doesnt sound like that much to me somehow... and you mention grief, would grief pair up with death better than botd because a loss of those 30 attributes is a lot and the damage doesnt seem to me to be that different between grief and botd, its just the attributes , ll, and 60ias seem perfect on botd, correct me if i'm wrong
hubb
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Re: Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
It's a 45% increase over eBotD CS, not counting the IAS and ITD. You've got plenty of leech as it is, not to mention Dracs. It's that or 400 HP, up to you
15/65% CB seems sufficient but I'd wait for someone else to comment. I'm also not sure how much you'll benefit from Angelics, it might help more than (more) CB.
It's a 45% increase over eBotD CS, not counting the IAS and ITD. You've got plenty of leech as it is, not to mention Dracs. It's that or 400 HP, up to you
15/65% CB seems sufficient but I'd wait for someone else to comment. I'm also not sure how much you'll benefit from Angelics, it might help more than (more) CB.
DiabloLikesMMA
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How much do I have to worry if I get a bad IAS roll on a CB Grief? I've spent my wealth on eBOTD CB and eDeath CS and I want to keep the same big sword look.
Any one recommend a CB / CS / Zweihander? Luckily, the last two can get 5os from quest.
Thanks.
How much do I have to worry if I get a bad IAS roll on a CB Grief? I've spent my wealth on eBOTD CB and eDeath CS and I want to keep the same big sword look.
Any one recommend a CB / CS / Zweihander? Luckily, the last two can get 5os from quest.
Thanks.
Spankeh
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Re: Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
If you leave your EBotDCB on main hand, and put your new GriefCB on off hand, Frenzy wont check offhand IAS, so there is no "bad roll" when using Grief for Frenzy.
Using CB's in both hands does require a hell of a lot of IAS from main hand and other items, like belts, gloves etc..
To hit final 5fpa breakpoint with 2x Collossus Blades, you need at least:
Level 27 Frenzy and 125%IAS
And you can get it from the following items
60%IAS from your EBotdCB on Main hand
20%IAS from Hilords Wrath ammy
20%IAS from Laying of Hands gloves
15%IAS from Arreats Face helm with 15%IAS jewel
10%IAS from Nosferatu's Coil belt
But if you use a phase blade for that grief, you will need almost half the amount of IAS form other items.
To hit final 5fpa breakpoint with 1x Collossus Blade and 1x Phase Blade, you need at least:
Level 27 Frenzy and 68%IAS
And you can get it from the following items
60%IAS from your EBotdCB on Main hand
10%IAS from Nosferatu's Coil belt
Having matching weapons for a barb is a heaps better look, but look at the difference in extra speed required.
Your choice.
Ive done both, and still love the twin CB look :whistling:
If you leave your EBotDCB on main hand, and put your new GriefCB on off hand, Frenzy wont check offhand IAS, so there is no "bad roll" when using Grief for Frenzy.
Using CB's in both hands does require a hell of a lot of IAS from main hand and other items, like belts, gloves etc..
To hit final 5fpa breakpoint with 2x Collossus Blades, you need at least:
Level 27 Frenzy and 125%IAS
And you can get it from the following items
60%IAS from your EBotdCB on Main hand
20%IAS from Hilords Wrath ammy
20%IAS from Laying of Hands gloves
15%IAS from Arreats Face helm with 15%IAS jewel
10%IAS from Nosferatu's Coil belt
But if you use a phase blade for that grief, you will need almost half the amount of IAS form other items.
To hit final 5fpa breakpoint with 1x Collossus Blade and 1x Phase Blade, you need at least:
Level 27 Frenzy and 68%IAS
And you can get it from the following items
60%IAS from your EBotdCB on Main hand
10%IAS from Nosferatu's Coil belt
Having matching weapons for a barb is a heaps better look, but look at the difference in extra speed required.
Your choice.
Ive done both, and still love the twin CB look :whistling:
DiabloLikesMMA
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Re: Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
Thanks... I was actually hoping to use the Grief / Death combo not BOTD / Grief. I would rather stash the botd than the death.
Thanks... I was actually hoping to use the Grief / Death combo not BOTD / Grief. I would rather stash the botd than the death.
hubb
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Re: Frenzy: Max Damage and Uber Guide 1.11
Frenzy does check offhand IAS:
According to his script you need these off-weapon amounts to hit the last BP: (level 27 Frenzy and 30 IAS Grief)
Grief CB + Death CB: 109
BotD CB + Grief CB: 79
Death CB + Grief PB*: 58
BotD CB + Grief PB*: 0
*Equipped as primary weapon in the right inventory slot
Frenzy does check offhand IAS:
Amazon Basin Wiki said:
According to his script you need these off-weapon amounts to hit the last BP: (level 27 Frenzy and 30 IAS Grief)
Grief CB + Death CB: 109
BotD CB + Grief CB: 79
Death CB + Grief PB*: 58
BotD CB + Grief PB*: 0
*Equipped as primary weapon in the right inventory slot
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