LK Screenshots Needed - Normal Chests
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Megalomania
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Megalomania
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I´ve got 3 of 5 high runes from non-chests, If don´t focus on the chests, rolling maps will be easier, you wont miss any runes in /p8 due to the garbage on the floor. Sorting the loot would be easier but you wouldn´t get so many Skillers and such I believe.
Many of us seem to get 50% of our runes from non-chest containers, It will be execting to see jj´s conclutions of the posted screens in this thread.
I´ve got 3 of 5 high runes from non-chests, If don´t focus on the chests, rolling maps will be easier, you wont miss any runes in /p8 due to the garbage on the floor. Sorting the loot would be easier but you wouldn´t get so many Skillers and such I believe.
Many of us seem to get 50% of our runes from non-chest containers, It will be execting to see jj´s conclutions of the posted screens in this thread.
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Damn, since I joined this community I have learned that you have a bigger shot at finding HR's from Lower Kurast. Is it that simple? Just pop the chests and treelogs.. Have anybody any proof that LK has a bigger chance of dropping Runes then other places in the game. This amaze me quite a bit!!
Damn, since I joined this community I have learned that you have a bigger shot at finding HR's from Lower Kurast. Is it that simple? Just pop the chests and treelogs.. Have anybody any proof that LK has a bigger chance of dropping Runes then other places in the game. This amaze me quite a bit!!
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More info in the LK FAQ.
PS: read your post a bit too fast. It's mainly about the superchests (see the LK FAQ). This thread is dedicated to high rune drops from other popables around the chests.
Don't say simple too fast. There are 65535 possible drop patterns. If you play on /p 3-4 or /p 7-8 (3 possible HR drops) with 6 superchests on your map, you'll have an average of finding a HR in 3k-4k runs. Though people have run LK around 15k times and haven't found anything yet, while others tend to get very lucky.
More info in the LK FAQ.
PS: read your post a bit too fast. It's mainly about the superchests (see the LK FAQ). This thread is dedicated to high rune drops from other popables around the chests.
jjscud
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Very true, after a bit more research and reading a painfully long and technical article by Jarulf, I realized I made a mistake. Chests, with the exception of sparkly chests, have truncated seeds, other objects do not.
From my own files I have a couple hints of matches from normal chests, though they are all easy matches (i.e. nothing dropped with the rune or a pile of gold dropped with it).
So, Chests drops are what I really need, but, I'm working on that some on my own too so I'll have an answer soon enough.
Well, that's extremely arbitrary. You will always get most of your finds from where you look the most. This is misleading to many people, 73% of people seem to think that if you've had 1 good find in X location than that's the best place to look, 83% think that if you've had multiple finds there then its the best place to look.
The point is, finding lots off stuff of any target is completely meaningless without a solid understanding of the effort spent to find it.
As for normal objects, Special chests have about 25 times better odds (not a made up statistic) of dropping Ber in LK than normal objects, by most LK runners times, that means hitting 5 objects a second to keep up, that's simply won't happen.
[highlight]Please remember that 82% of all statistics are made up.[/highlight]
Very true, after a bit more research and reading a painfully long and technical article by Jarulf, I realized I made a mistake. Chests, with the exception of sparkly chests, have truncated seeds, other objects do not.
From my own files I have a couple hints of matches from normal chests, though they are all easy matches (i.e. nothing dropped with the rune or a pile of gold dropped with it).
So, Chests drops are what I really need, but, I'm working on that some on my own too so I'll have an answer soon enough.
Megalomania said:
Well, that's extremely arbitrary. You will always get most of your finds from where you look the most. This is misleading to many people, 73% of people seem to think that if you've had 1 good find in X location than that's the best place to look, 83% think that if you've had multiple finds there then its the best place to look.
The point is, finding lots off stuff of any target is completely meaningless without a solid understanding of the effort spent to find it.
As for normal objects, Special chests have about 25 times better odds (not a made up statistic) of dropping Ber in LK than normal objects, by most LK runners times, that means hitting 5 objects a second to keep up, that's simply won't happen.
[highlight]Please remember that 82% of all statistics are made up.[/highlight]
Megalomania
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(I however got all my high runes from diffrent places.)
I think that people focus on the chest but seem to get alot of High runes from non-chests... maybe they don´t pop more than 50-70% of what they think they are... altough it seems more likely the pop more chests.
Also I don´t think counting runs by hours is very good, If you pick up lots of garbage, identify, sort up, mule off it´s hard to get under 1 min / run. and if you go long sessions you get tired and run speed gets sacrificed. I manually counted each run and saw huge differenses of run speed over time.
By general I think people pops less stuff and do fewer runs than they think.
[highlight]Please remember that 82% of all statistics are made up.[/highlight][/QUOTE]
You mean like how many runs we make and things we pop?
/m3ga
An Image search in google should give you some result I think (then you don´t have to grind trough the long thread)
Yes skinyy has this thing for the bonefire corpse
(I however got all my high runes from diffrent places.)I think that people focus on the chest but seem to get alot of High runes from non-chests... maybe they don´t pop more than 50-70% of what they think they are... altough it seems more likely the pop more chests.
Also I don´t think counting runs by hours is very good, If you pick up lots of garbage, identify, sort up, mule off it´s hard to get under 1 min / run. and if you go long sessions you get tired and run speed gets sacrificed. I manually counted each run and saw huge differenses of run speed over time.
By general I think people pops less stuff and do fewer runs than they think.
Yes! some people think that they will do 1000 or maybe 2000 runs a Saturday and get a Ber (or maybe 2) It´s more of coming in to the flow of it.
I have a soooo hard time understanding this... I do belive you, but still the drops from non-chest seems to come much more often than that. Have you heard of anyone getting like five high one´s from chest only?
[highlight]Please remember that 82% of all statistics are made up.[/highlight][/QUOTE]
You mean like how many runs we make and things we pop?
/m3ga
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When I ran LK for infinity I got 3 Sur's and a Ber from the superchests and not so much as an Um or a Pul from anything else.
When I ran LK for infinity I got 3 Sur's and a Ber from the superchests and not so much as an Um or a Pul from anything else.
Megalomania
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I see... and how many runs did it take you when only chests gave those?
I see... and how many runs did it take you when only chests gave those?
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I do see what you mean, however I think my *SLIGHT* point was a little misinterpreted
. It may just see this way from the little bit of "research" I've done, but the HR probabilities from these other popables seems oddly high. So, which the chest are predictable in nature depending on what /p setting you're on, these may be better if you just looking for HRs in general. Then again, I may just be insane. Actually, I probably am insane .
I do see what you mean, however I think my *SLIGHT* point was a little misinterpreted
. It may just see this way from the little bit of "research" I've done, but the HR probabilities from these other popables seems oddly high. So, which the chest are predictable in nature depending on what /p setting you're on, these may be better if you just looking for HRs in general. Then again, I may just be insane. Actually, I probably am insane . Re: LK Screenshots Needed - Normal Chests
Also, please remember the 4 out of every 3 people have trouble with fractions.
My gut feeling on the non-super chest/rack popables in LK (the body, logs, etc) is that they fall under the normal drop mechanism (i.e they do not have 1 ~ 65K chance to drop a HR). However they do have a change to drop a HR. The chances are similar to the lottery, but you can't win unless you play. If its in you path, hit it and see if your lucky. Otherwise, keep cranking out superchests.
Also, please remember the 4 out of every 3 people have trouble with fractions.
My gut feeling on the non-super chest/rack popables in LK (the body, logs, etc) is that they fall under the normal drop mechanism (i.e they do not have 1 ~ 65K chance to drop a HR). However they do have a change to drop a HR. The chances are similar to the lottery, but you can't win unless you play. If its in you path, hit it and see if your lucky. Otherwise, keep cranking out superchests.
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So I've been hinting in other threads (LK and RoF) that I've got some sort drop simulator going. I will continue to keep the exact details quiet but I've had it working on normal chests in LK for most of the week.
Earlier I posted this:
and mentioned that the other Lo drops I've seen from that chest also match.
I call that a soft match, technically the drops match but without specific items, there's a reasonable chance that the match is coincidental.
My simulators have picked up a couple other soft matches during the week, it was getting closer but nothing solid.
Then, earlier today (well, yesterday now) I got this drop:
Bolts,Io Rune,Gold,Gold
which matched an earlier drop
Bolts,Io Rune,Gold,Gold
Even the order matches, which isn't required or always the case, but its similar to the layout we see in LK screenshots that are ofter the same. That all amounted to more evidence but Gold, Gold and Bolts are still very "soft" items and I couldn't quite call it solved.
BUT
just now I got this:
Gold,Antidote Potion,Fal Rune,Gold,Antidote Potion,Gold,Cracked Two-Handed Sword
which matches this earlier recorded drop
Gold,Antidote Potion,Fal Rune,Gold,Antidote Potion,Gold,Low Quality Two-Handed Sword
Note the order matches and, as we've seen from special chests, the item quality still varies.
[highlight]So, that my friends is the proof I've been hunting. Normal chests have limited seeds and will have unusually high chances of dropping certain runes, if they manage to drop them at all.[/highlight]
What does this mean immediately. Not alot just yet, except perhaps pop the chests around meph if you are already running him, as they clearly have a Lo drop at p3. There's alot of investigation work to do, though I will put my simulators on it, but that is still a bit time consuming.
I still need to figure out what chests should have matching drops and what ones should have different drops. I had completely overlooked that before when considering special chests but now I realize that special chest drops don't change within each act. I don't know if that's the same for normal chests or not.
Also, this shouldn't necessarily mean open season on normal chests. They are still governed by their basic odds which will make it an extremely rare case that they will drop an HR at all.
Please keep in mind that this only applied to normal chests, not sparkly chests, quest chests, or other stuff like logs and corpses.
So I've been hinting in other threads (LK and RoF) that I've got some sort drop simulator going. I will continue to keep the exact details quiet but I've had it working on normal chests in LK for most of the week.
Earlier I posted this:
and mentioned that the other Lo drops I've seen from that chest also match.
I call that a soft match, technically the drops match but without specific items, there's a reasonable chance that the match is coincidental.
My simulators have picked up a couple other soft matches during the week, it was getting closer but nothing solid.
Then, earlier today (well, yesterday now) I got this drop:
Bolts,Io Rune,Gold,Gold
which matched an earlier drop
Bolts,Io Rune,Gold,Gold
Even the order matches, which isn't required or always the case, but its similar to the layout we see in LK screenshots that are ofter the same. That all amounted to more evidence but Gold, Gold and Bolts are still very "soft" items and I couldn't quite call it solved.
BUT
just now I got this:
Gold,Antidote Potion,Fal Rune,Gold,Antidote Potion,Gold,Cracked Two-Handed Sword
which matches this earlier recorded drop
Gold,Antidote Potion,Fal Rune,Gold,Antidote Potion,Gold,Low Quality Two-Handed Sword
Note the order matches and, as we've seen from special chests, the item quality still varies.
[highlight]So, that my friends is the proof I've been hunting. Normal chests have limited seeds and will have unusually high chances of dropping certain runes, if they manage to drop them at all.[/highlight]
What does this mean immediately. Not alot just yet, except perhaps pop the chests around meph if you are already running him, as they clearly have a Lo drop at p3. There's alot of investigation work to do, though I will put my simulators on it, but that is still a bit time consuming.
I still need to figure out what chests should have matching drops and what ones should have different drops. I had completely overlooked that before when considering special chests but now I realize that special chest drops don't change within each act. I don't know if that's the same for normal chests or not.
Also, this shouldn't necessarily mean open season on normal chests. They are still governed by their basic odds which will make it an extremely rare case that they will drop an HR at all.
Please keep in mind that this only applied to normal chests, not sparkly chests, quest chests, or other stuff like logs and corpses.
jjscud
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Re: LK Screenshots Needed - Normal Chests
And thanks to Skinny with a very quick confirmation shot. It does appear that chests drops are the same across each act.
Lo from chest - P3 - (Skinny)
And thanks to Skinny with a very quick confirmation shot. It does appear that chests drops are the same across each act.
Lo from chest - P3 - (Skinny)
jjscud
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Too many items match and the order matches, along with a 3rd encounter of Bolts,Io Rune,Gold,Gold.
Edit: I also posted that as soon as I felt that the evidence tipped the scales. I've got a lot more now, its a fact, not luck.
Besides, this wasn't a random hunt, I already had it on very good authority (a post by Jarulf) that all chests except sparkly chests had 16 bit seed values.
and
it doesnt mean yet they have truncated drops .... it may be just one of the 4 bilion and you got lucky. I would wait for more matches. But great idea hereIm absolutely curious what it will yield in the future
Too many items match and the order matches, along with a 3rd encounter of Bolts,Io Rune,Gold,Gold.
Edit: I also posted that as soon as I felt that the evidence tipped the scales. I've got a lot more now, its a fact, not luck.
Besides, this wasn't a random hunt, I already had it on very good authority (a post by Jarulf) that all chests except sparkly chests had 16 bit seed values.
Jarulf at the Lurker Lounge said:
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