Change Thrower
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What sin build does most dmg?
Which assassin build does the most damage and what are its drawbacks?
Which assassin build does the most damage and what are its drawbacks?
What sin build does most dmg?
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mephiztophelez
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
how long is a piece of string?*
the most damaging attack an assassin has in their skill-trees is the Corpse Explosion from Death Sentry. the actual damage it does is dependent on A: how many hit points the corpse had and B: how many monsters are in the radius of same when it goes off.
if your looking for big-sexy numbers on the LCS, then a Tiger/Tail'sin can crank out upwards of 20k damage. however, tiger/tail'sins don't solo in hell games terribly well and their effective damage output is easily outdone by a single (maxed) lit sentry hitting a big long line of targets.
as for which 'sin build can solo hell games the easiest, i'd argue a kick/trap'sin followed by a trapper with an infinity merc.
advantages of a k/t'sin: does four elements of damage (lit, phys, poison and fire) straight out of the box with no special gear. drawbacks: needs some half-decent gear to really crack along.
advantages of trapper: easy and cheap to build. disadvantages: really needs some sexy gear (infinity merc) to REALLY start to blast along.
*the length of any piece of string can be defined as twice the length from the middle to one end /pedantry.
how long is a piece of string?*
the most damaging attack an assassin has in their skill-trees is the Corpse Explosion from Death Sentry. the actual damage it does is dependent on A: how many hit points the corpse had and B: how many monsters are in the radius of same when it goes off.
if your looking for big-sexy numbers on the LCS, then a Tiger/Tail'sin can crank out upwards of 20k damage. however, tiger/tail'sins don't solo in hell games terribly well and their effective damage output is easily outdone by a single (maxed) lit sentry hitting a big long line of targets.
as for which 'sin build can solo hell games the easiest, i'd argue a kick/trap'sin followed by a trapper with an infinity merc.
advantages of a k/t'sin: does four elements of damage (lit, phys, poison and fire) straight out of the box with no special gear. drawbacks: needs some half-decent gear to really crack along.
advantages of trapper: easy and cheap to build. disadvantages: really needs some sexy gear (infinity merc) to REALLY start to blast along.
*the length of any piece of string can be defined as twice the length from the middle to one end /pedantry.
Re: What sin build does most dmg?
Most damage is pretty relative - too many variables to state as different factors will improve reduce damage output of different technques.
Meph pretty much covers everything - though I prefer a full trapper vs the kick/trapper hybrid myself.
What hasn't been mentioned is a talon kicker - I use mine to solo the pandemonium event whenever I can get the keys to start a run. My kicker handles whatever my trapper can't, which is basically just the pandemonium event.
Most damage is pretty relative - too many variables to state as different factors will improve reduce damage output of different technques.
Meph pretty much covers everything - though I prefer a full trapper vs the kick/trapper hybrid myself.
What hasn't been mentioned is a talon kicker - I use mine to solo the pandemonium event whenever I can get the keys to start a run. My kicker handles whatever my trapper can't, which is basically just the pandemonium event.
goomba_stomper
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
The above two posters covered pretty much everything, just thought I'd throw you another 2 cents (shiny ones!)
Trappers just aren't that exciting to me (no offense to you trappers). I like knowing that if something goes awry that I can die, and I despise Enigma. So I went with a Blade Fury/Kicker. I am by no means well geared, just stuff I had found in the past. But still, with non-upped gores at lvl 70 or so, my kicks hit for ~700-900 a piece with 50% crushing blow, and blade fury hits for almost 1.2k per star. Lots of fun with no gear. Hope that helps.
-goomba
The above two posters covered pretty much everything, just thought I'd throw you another 2 cents (shiny ones!)
Trappers just aren't that exciting to me (no offense to you trappers). I like knowing that if something goes awry that I can die, and I despise Enigma. So I went with a Blade Fury/Kicker. I am by no means well geared, just stuff I had found in the past. But still, with non-upped gores at lvl 70 or so, my kicks hit for ~700-900 a piece with 50% crushing blow, and blade fury hits for almost 1.2k per star. Lots of fun with no gear. Hope that helps.
-goomba
renegademaster
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
Most powerful 'sin i've built so far is the Rift-sin. RIFT adds huge cold damage from CtC Frozen Orbs to an already powerful build the kicker/ trapper hybrid.
I deviated slightly from Saras' build keeping my crushing blow up using Guilaumes face, and using a Storm Shield for extra defence.
I go like this, run around laying 4 lightning sentries and a Death Sentry and gathering monsters, start kicking - Frozen orbs slow down incoming monsters, and Crushing blow kicks start the Death Sentry chain reaction. Multi Elemental Carnage!
Most powerful 'sin i've built so far is the Rift-sin. RIFT adds huge cold damage from CtC Frozen Orbs to an already powerful build the kicker/ trapper hybrid.
I deviated slightly from Saras' build keeping my crushing blow up using Guilaumes face, and using a Storm Shield for extra defence.
I go like this, run around laying 4 lightning sentries and a Death Sentry and gathering monsters, start kicking - Frozen orbs slow down incoming monsters, and Crushing blow kicks start the Death Sentry chain reaction. Multi Elemental Carnage!
tetracycloide
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
The problem with rift is that orb is not a melee attack, which is to say that it's most effective on targets that are 2/3rds of a screen away from you where the orb explodes, not on targets that are right next to you. So while it's great on groups so large they block most of the screen it is really weak against 1-3 hard targets at melee range relative to gear sets that focus on physical kicks + CB to generate bodies for DS.
The problem with rift is that orb is not a melee attack, which is to say that it's most effective on targets that are 2/3rds of a screen away from you where the orb explodes, not on targets that are right next to you. So while it's great on groups so large they block most of the screen it is really weak against 1-3 hard targets at melee range relative to gear sets that focus on physical kicks + CB to generate bodies for DS.
vexerhexer
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
I found that my monk-war sin build did better than my past sin builds in 1.11
Just having the range and close dmg cut through stuff and could handle almost anything. However my kick/trap sin was equipped poorly and was still able to crank out dmg.
I found that my monk-war sin build did better than my past sin builds in 1.11
Just having the range and close dmg cut through stuff and could handle almost anything. However my kick/trap sin was equipped poorly and was still able to crank out dmg.
Re: What sin build does most dmg?
A Titan Tiger Strike sin using This Maul but with Ohm runes instead of jewels (max speed is 10 frames with lvl 30 BoS, 40%IAS from weapon, and 20% IAS from gloves), normal attack, and Fortitude armor. With a 2 skill, 30% enhanced damage mod, with 2 40% ed jewels circlet. Including a might mercenary, using a Pride pole arm.
lvl 50 Tiger Strike +3240% on third charge
2 40% ed jewels for +80% in helm +30% from helm mod
Fortitude armor +300%
Titan setup with 500 strength
Merc Might level 22 +250%
Pride Conc lvl 20 +345%
+20 max from the weapon, and +30 max from charms
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TOTAL 13,517 - 77,083 physical damage, Average 45,300.
A Titan Tiger Strike sin using This Maul but with Ohm runes instead of jewels (max speed is 10 frames with lvl 30 BoS, 40%IAS from weapon, and 20% IAS from gloves), normal attack, and Fortitude armor. With a 2 skill, 30% enhanced damage mod, with 2 40% ed jewels circlet. Including a might mercenary, using a Pride pole arm.
lvl 50 Tiger Strike +3240% on third charge
2 40% ed jewels for +80% in helm +30% from helm mod
Fortitude armor +300%
Titan setup with 500 strength
Merc Might level 22 +250%
Pride Conc lvl 20 +345%
+20 max from the weapon, and +30 max from charms
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TOTAL 13,517 - 77,083 physical damage, Average 45,300.
Re: What sin build does most dmg?
HAHAAH oomg that would be the most awesome assassin ever
HAHAAH oomg that would be the most awesome assassin ever
tetracycloide
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
If we're going hypothetically all out here the might aura from the merc should be level 25:
Base 20 @ lvl 95
+2 Armor
+2 Helm
+1 BO
I can't remember if +offensive auras gear works for Act II mercs or not but if it does we could even make the helm +3 for level 26.
If we're going hypothetically all out here the might aura from the merc should be level 25:
Base 20 @ lvl 95
+2 Armor
+2 Helm
+1 BO
I can't remember if +offensive auras gear works for Act II mercs or not but if it does we could even make the helm +3 for level 26.
Re: What sin build does most dmg?
Although that would screw up conc.
Was Deadly strike already counted in?
No, but you could give him an Arioch's.
Although that would screw up conc.
Was Deadly strike already counted in?
Re: What sin build does most dmg?
No crit and deadly strike were not counted towards my previously stated damage.
Then to correct my original damage statement.
13,601 - 77,561 physical damage, Average damage is 45,581
If this Crits, I guess it could potentially to 155,122 damage to a monster with zero damage reduce, and 310,244 damage if that target was Amped.
However, I think there's a damage cap of like 85,000 or something, I'm not quite sure.
No, but you could give him an Arioch's.
Although that would screw up conc.
Was Deadly strike already counted in?
No crit and deadly strike were not counted towards my previously stated damage.
tetracycloide said:
Then to correct my original damage statement.
13,601 - 77,561 physical damage, Average damage is 45,581
If this Crits, I guess it could potentially to 155,122 damage to a monster with zero damage reduce, and 310,244 damage if that target was Amped.
However, I think there's a damage cap of like 85,000 or something, I'm not quite sure.
mephiztophelez
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
nope. it's somewhere around the 85k mark. i forget exactly.
nope. it's somewhere around the 85k mark. i forget exactly.
Re: What sin build does most dmg?
I don't know where to find out the cap, nor would I gear a full mock just to smite ><
meh, it doens't matter anyway, i doubt even that maul can really reach that high. O.O
>> that wasn't the case when I used to dabble in open. We'd do 700+K dmg smites, after dr. >>
I don't know where to find out the cap, nor would I gear a full mock just to smite ><
meh, it doens't matter anyway, i doubt even that maul can really reach that high. O.O
Nimbostratus
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Re: What sin build does most dmg?
The display works right, but the actual damage gets rolled back to zero for each time it goes over that ~85k damage per frame threshold. Though since that's damage per frame, you could get far higher damage per hit with poison.
The display works right, but the actual damage gets rolled back to zero for each time it goes over that ~85k damage per frame threshold. Though since that's damage per frame, you could get far higher damage per hit with poison.
