Re: Dream sorc idea. Suggestions intensely apreciated!
lol thanx i've already read that thread 3 or 4 times now lol but thnx any ways...
but on the other note... you play just plain melee no cast at all? if you do can you list what you are using or what kinda specs your packing for your sorc? i'm just curious and if its private thats fine too...^^
Yup, you got it. The only thing I cast is bo at start, chant , one of the cold armors depending on what monsters are present, static and teleport. I have Dream shield + my melee wep on primary, spirit shield+ beast on switch. If I need to tele something, I always keep wizzyspike in my cube for stuff like baal runs or key hunting. For quick tactical ports I can unshift (on hotkey) and tele/reshift simply using the beast/spirit combo.
ie. bo at Wsk 2 wp , chant up and armor myself. Put my beast caddy in the cube, put on the wizzyspike. Tele like mad to the throne. Press "I", and put the wizzy back the cube, equip the beast and go to bear form to demolish whatever's in the throne. After Lister's pack is down and while I wait for baal to enter his portal, I unshift. Upon entry , I tele stomp baal. I do this to position the merc so that conviction is present right away. I static baal to half life then press the bearshift hotkey and melee it out. It sounds like a hassle but it's actually really fast. I avg 4 min Hell baal runs from game start to a full throne clear including baal. (in a full game)
As far as the build is concerned, Well again, As I stated above , I haven't made up my mind on what I think is the best setup.
Here's some info however on what Ive done thus far and some general opinions along the way.
First however , credit is due to the Gimmershed's guide who made it sound so cool I just had to try it out. It's better then expected. In fact it's so good every other character you make afterward will seem to fall short.
Guide to ShockingShemales
The ShockingShemale, a guide to the ultimate pvm Tanksorc.
Here's the Original Paws
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot193.jpg
She's essential the block bear in the guide, but I didnt use the robo 6 15 ias/15 res jewels it called for. Making a Bear sorc takes an obscene amount of trading and collecting to make, and this sword was just excessively hard to put together. It's also my opinion that some phy damage is a good thing to have for a variety of reasons and truth be told I wouldn't use this wep even if It was given to me for free.
Guardian Paws_Claws 86 BearSorc Hardcore Ladder
"Block Bear varient"
Dream bv
Dream Tnest
200% GA plate "UM"d
Tgods belt
Drac gloves
Hotspurs boots (ISO of nice tri res boots )
Gris Caddy full-o-sheals
Ammies:
Rising Sun for +2chant prebluff and when I need 63% fire sorb
Highlords for when I transform into a bear for the +1 , or in use when I am unshifted using passion for the IAS.
Normal in use ammy-
Metalgrid
rings: 1 ravenfrost , 1 carrion ring (leach, poison res, twisters)
Spirit shield+ eshutas for prebluffing and teleporting if I want to mf/rush
Skill layout
20 light mastry
20 chant
20 warmth
15ish fire mastry
20 tk
Merc
Infinnity CA ( I like high damage for leach and dont run chaos much)
Vampgaze 19%
Lionheart wire fleece
Rough stats
3000ish life with bo
15K def (shout)
5-45Kish damage depending on setup
5fpa
90/95 all res except cold at 80 something
63% fire sorb*, 20% light sorb, 20% cold sorb
71% block
My skill setup is like your zeal sorc already and I do use passion sometimes
I watched your chaos run with your sorc. You sc peeps play way riskier then us hardcore folks
This sorc plows through all. Next challange is to run the organs on her. If it goes well I'll try ubertrist.
Ive done several zeal sorcs, the Bear build patches the zealers holes with life, def and ias is preffered IMO. the nice thing is stats/skills/gearing is very close so one can be both
I did end up ubering with her. I traded the Dream helm for a gface and the shield for a Sanctuary. It wasnt as fast as the usual uber chars like smiters, kickers and frenzy barbs. It was faster then a conc barb or a summon nec. I'd say it doable, but not the ideal torch farming build. (It is however "better" everywhere else)
The Next bear sorc I tried used the IK set (all but the helm). I did this to capitalize on the huge defense, the general well rounded attributes and the large physical damage with cb.
She maxed
http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=705418
20 in frozen armor
20 in shiver armor
20 chilling armor
20 res light
rest going into Fire mastery. She got her free level 21 chant from obedience, which gave me all the AR I needed and some decent fire damage.
cold armors with the bear form give you around 300% defense, and with the ik parts , I had as much defense as many barbs and pallies. 300% defense is comparable to a level 20 shout or holyshield. This character ended up with around :
3-20K damage before conviction, much of that physical. She swung at 7fpa, as fast as the fastest Vengeance or First hit frame on zeal. This is 2fpa better then the fastest conc or bezerker at 9fpa for comparison. Needless to say, the ik sorc > The Ik barb
She was a great character all around, but having done Paws before her, I felt Like I was lacking some damage and tanking ability in comparison. Much cheaper then the usual build however.
The shiver armor by the way is an effective way to add another damage type to the Bear Sorc who cannot cast while shifted. It is strong enough to kill outright.
20 in Frozen Armor
20 in Shiver Armor
20 in Chilling armor
+10 skills
yields
Shiver
Current Skill Level: 30
12: Duration: 868 seconds
3: Defense Bonus: 219 percent
10: Cold Damage:
506-581 (OUCH!)
11: Cold Length: 40 seconds
1: Mana Cost: 11
Chilling
Current Skill Level: 30
3: Defense Bonus: 190 percent
12: Duration: 718 seconds
10: Cold Damage: 300-362
1: Mana Cost: 17
The Ik sorc showed me that one doesn't exactly need to go all out in hitting the 5fpa bp. to be effective. When you only need 1 or two hits to kill everything (except bosses, but they only takes a few more hits anyhow) the 5fpa is just icing.
My Current Bear sorc is a mix of the last two.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot316.jpg
Here's a throne screenie taken just before Uber Dclone walked. ( I spanked him hard and fast) A perfect anni ended up dropping. Since it was Socialism game, he of course got to keep it. Thread about it is posted in the HC forum.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot311.jpg
This time around I use
Dream Helm
Dream Shield
Coh armor
Highlords ammy
a 20 str , life leach at res rare ring (or wisp)
Nos coil belt
Botd Warspike
Gorerider boots
Laying of Hands gloves.
I skipped on getting block and es. (no I dont miss it)
I'm suprised that Botd warspike didnt make Gimmers list of weps. I think it's the best wep around. It's fast, it has 3X the phy damage of a gris caddy. It also provided 30 all stats and has -def which help on a character who needs to pay attention to ar. (with conviction I'd speculate having a 95% chance to hit everything)
A botd warspike out of the box hits 8fpa. If you pack on 45 ias, you get a 7fpa attack. Using Highlords and gores means that phy damage is going to hurt bigtime. The leach is
very nice too.
I'm stated this time around as
20 Light mastery
20 chant
20 fire mastery
20 Warmth
15 Shiver armor , 1 chilling armor.
1 tele , 1 static
For IM I now use a 6shealed Military pick which hits the 5fpa and hurts less on IM then the pb. The Dex is also alot better.
If I was rebuilding , I'd use ga plate, the botd spike , get max block and then figure what I prefer , shiver armor or tk.
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