Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

[MassiveSin]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

Orphan, Jaggo, Noammr, & Hey are in my most likely list right now.
Edit for Spigot: I would swap my vote below for any of these above.

Each of them had voted for or gave reason for suspicion to either Zhao, Ankeli, and Serdash before in their posts and in the end all of them go and vote Serdash back to back in post 152, 153, & 154.

One more vote needed for a lynch guys.

The cattle prod here (again) is interesting to me, and leans me further into suspicion since Noammr was cracking the whip for non posters or lack of contributors in round one and to date silent as a mouse.

I like the way Aman came out of lockdown and shared his 2 cents.

I think that the most of the mafia players voted early for Serdash. I believe that some of them are regulars due to the note on Thyiad. I think that in order to avoid looking obvious they cast the first to third vote for Serdash. I don't think they all voted at the same time to raise suspicion in by grouping. Orphan cast the third stone in addition to (IMO) weak explanations of Thyiad's note.
Putting together all the above, there is not much But I have an honorable mention for Noleclub and Sitro are somewhat suspicious as well for being vote 1 & 2 on Serdash (but both unvoted and moved to Soy & Noleclub ended up flopping again back to Serdash in the end)
But I have enough to say

Vote Orphan

 

[Erwwwd]

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First, this list was missing and it might be helpful

Living players

Hey
SiTro
BobTheWarrior
ogogo on ice
friedbananazzzz
spigot
Erwwwd
Nolecub
aman
MassiveSin
Soylentred
Noammr
Orphan
Jaago
Thyiad

15 total, making 8 the rounded up half which means 9 to lynch and 10 to lock(I think)

Yeah, I'd like to be mod some time :azn:.

On with the normal post.
I don't want to be hung up on soy this day, I was last day which made me too closedminded I think, even if soy is mafia and I still think she is a candidate, there are a couple more around. I was wrong about ankeli as well, I shouldn't be so sure of myself. I'm getting the feeling plain out voting helps more than stating personal findings in longer posts. Soy didn't even respond to my last remark about zhao being killed. Can anyone sense I'm annoyed by that? You should, I just dedicated a sentence to show that. It was the sentence before the sentence that says I dedicated a sentence to it. Hope this emphasizes my point. With this I mean the two sentences following the sentence that needed to be emphasized. Maybe bolding would have been easier.

Seriously now, Massive your list is helpful although you miss jaago as a switcher in it, he didn't vote before the final bandwagon but I think that that should mean the same thing as jumping ship, I'll add the no-voters to the table as if not voting is another option(which it is actually)

First tally
Soylentred: 5 (spigot, Zhao, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
BobTheWarrior: 1 (Soylentred)
Zhao_Yue: 3 (MassiveSin, Ankeli, BobTheWarrior )
Serdash: 4 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub)
No vote: 3 (Jaago, Hey, ogogo on ice)

second tally
Soylentred: 6 (spigot, Zhao, Hey, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
Zhao_Yue: 2 (MassiveSin, BobTheWarrior)
Serdash: 6 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred )
Nolecub: 1 (ogogo on ice)
No vote: 1 (Jaago)

third tally, switchers bolded
Soylentred: 6 (spigot, Zhao, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
Zhao_Yue: 1 (MassiveSin)
Serdash: 9 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred, BobTheWarrior, Hey, Jaggo)
Nolecub: 1 (ogogo on ice)

That's it, now following this revised list I'm going to go and pull out my early vote for a bit of a reaction

Vote: Jaago

 

[Erwwwd]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

I was still a bit harsh on soy in the last post, I would like to add this point

I think its great you're thinking about this game when you're running. Dedication! :thumbsup:

 

[Soylentred]

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You were locked up on a day nothing happened. The mafia didnt have anything to gain from that except from a roleblock on night 3. It would also be something the mafia could do to one of their own on a day where no mafia-presence in voting was required.

Zhao died. Maybe he was hitting too close to home during day 1?

Oh this one well -
A) this was mostly about stuff I was already engaging with Massive and Spigot about - I had answered it many times.
B) well sorry - I just missed that little comment because I didn't take anything Zhao was saying too seriously - he was not hitting close to anything in all of that -seriously - it was circular on and on and misreading my posts and putting them back as something else.

sorry if you think I was ignoring you in particular, I was being hit from a few directions and did not have time to say it all again.

 

[MassiveSin]

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@ Erwwwd
I did notice his late vote but I wouldn't classify as a switch since it was his only vote. At worst it is bandwagon any many townies that don't read into the post much do so as well. Its the timing that make it suspicious to me, but I'm waiting to see some more posts for others before I spill more of my thoughts before day end.

 

[Soylentred]

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I did not say Aman was mafia. In fact if I believe the FBI agent is pro town then I believe Aman is not mafia, same as me.

oooops I made a mistake here. If the FBI agent is pro-town it does not prove Aman is also pro-town. It proves that a townie who does not know the roles detained him.

I really don't want to talk about the agent role anymore, just wanted to point out my error.

 

[MassiveSin]

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Let me point out another...
@Soy I don't see a post when you engage with me in post 204. My only post that I address to you was 191 when I provide an alternative to your reasoning of NK.

 

[spigot]

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I was leaning towards Orphan Massive, but if you go back and read the posts that are there, there appears to be a certain amount of reasoning behind the vote.

I have gone for hey because he's said nothing of any relevance at all other than those suspicious voting patterns (and a statement of the obvious for their first post). They've also said nothing since the night, despite having been very active on the community forum page (community posts and two trade posts). I want to see what he has to say for himself. I'm sure Orphan will post again anyway, although as he stated earlier he has difficulty accessing the forum.

 

[Soylentred]

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Let me point out another...
@Soy I don't see a post when you engage with me in post 204. My only post that I address to you was 191 when I provide an alternative to your reasoning of NK.

I know I was referring way back to Errrds (sorry if I mispelled that) when he asked why I did not respond - I believe I was involved in other posts discussing the same points.

 

[Noammr]

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Well, here I am, silent no more...sorry but a busy schedule prevents me from doing more then skimming through the thread before posting.

On the matter of voting for Serdash- looking in hindesight and going 'what the hell' on that is fine but when you look at dash's posts you can clearly see the reasoning for voting him off...the princess reference was lost on me and looked like silly 'ha-ha' cover for the lack of info in his posts, furthermore he didn't even make an effort to defend himself when he got a couple of votes but just ignored the matter.

On the matter of prodding towards a lynch- it is in my opinion that lynching is important for the town, ergo my prodding when the day nearly ended with no lynch, especially since I saw dash as a likely candidate.

I don't recall me raising suspicion against Ankeli (it might have happened right at the start, before I got his measure) since he was one of the few I felt inclined to trust as the day went on.

I hope the dissuades any suspicions you have against me, Massivesin...I'm still for kicking off non-contributers in the absence of heavy suspicions against someone.

One more thing before I'm off, since everyone seems certain that the roleblocker is a mafia role, could anyone clue me on why the mafs would fail to use the roleblock today? Someone said they may have targeted Ankeli...why would they target thier nk target?

Will be back for a more through reading followed by another post later today (I hope)

 

[Soylentred]

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A) this was mostly about stuff I was already engaging with Massive and Spigot about - I had answered it many times.

damn on the no edit - I meant Sitro.
sorry people - this is all referring back to old posts.

I agree with what people are saying about Hey, so lets see where this goes...

Vote Hey

 

[MassiveSin]

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@Spigot I did read his post, I was going to vote for Hey but when I refreshed I saw you already did. Since the 4 of them were interchangeable for me and I wanted to spread the discussion by voting Orphan and putting that edit note in there as a hint towards my willingness to swap out.

 

[Erwwwd]

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Errrds (sorry if I mispelled that)

It's www in the middle, like the interweb.

Spigot- Good thing to check the activity in the forum vs activity in the thread, a bit more informed way of going at it then just bashing on inactivity, which can have so many reasons anyway. Still it doesn't really mean a lot, and I'm not going out and saying I'd be willing to jump a hey-bandwagon (like massive sort of did), before we have him posting here.

 

[Hey]

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Sorry for not posting, not had enough time to throw together a bigger post until now, although I have been able to throw a few answers or post some questions on the Community board. Anyways, going to re-read the days posts and see what I can find.

 

[Hey]

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There is a chance that FBI investigator and the cop are the same person in which case the cop investigating has the side effect of incarcerating a person and taking them out of play. In that instance I was incarcerated as a result of investigation.
or
The incarceration is intended to save a person from NK or lynch. That would not be a mafia role that would be a townie role because the mafia knows I am townie and thus would not protect me.
As soon as I was incarcerated I knew this could not be a mafia role.
A townie not knowing my role or Aman's role would protect us just in case. It is possible that the incarceration/investigation also gives the FBI our role but with that and cop that seems like a lot of people to give the roles to.
So everyone who laughed or said it was suspicious that I thought the FBI role might be pro-town - well there you go.

Now further speculation - who would want to protect me? One person who came immediately to mind was Ankeli because I told him I was supporting him so he had reason to keep me alive.
So I was thinking Ankeli was our FBI agent and here we go. Ankeli dead and no new person is in prison.

I disagree, I doubt the FBI investigator is the Cop, or even pro-town.

Just a few reasons, they have probably been posted already:

1. We lose a vote to the mafia, giving them more of a chance to lynch a townie.
2. If the person incarcerated was the Doctor or Cop or someone who has a Night role, there goes our chance at saving a townie/finding out a mafia/whatever.

a) Have lost the role, which makes it a townie role, as it hasn't come out in a lynch, and have also lost the advantage that role gave us, given that whoever it was didn't manage to get much info out before they died.
b) its a crooked mafia role and they are no longer using it. That could either be because its limited in number of uses or because they believe that not using it causes us to believe a) or gives them an advantage in some other way.
c) Its a townie role and they are no longer using it, either because its limited in use, or because the negative effects of the investigation no longer come into play and its now a standard cop role.

I'm leaning more towards B, as Aman pointed out, all the evidence supports this.

Funny in a way if the most intelligent Aman believes there is mafia in one of those 4 - we know Ankeli wasn't due to NK. I know it's not me. That leaves just two. The funny part is accepting that Aman is right.
The other reason for no FBI imprisonment is that our FBI agent just got NK'd -possibility exists.

I agree Ankeli wasn't a mafia, even though we don't know for sure. If he was a mafia, why would the mafia NK one of their own? Makes no sense to me. You may know it's not you, but we don't.
Our town has been infested by mafia, I doubt anyone will be passing off a person right away as a Townie, unless that person is the Cop.

The possibility does exist of Ankeli or Zhao being the FBI Agent, although I find that unlikely.

And your general reasoning is that Aman is smart, therefore he is right? Hmmk, lets see what he has to back up what he's said about Bob and I. I don't have massive suspicions about Aman, you're definitely still right up there on my ****list along with Orphan and Nolecub.

It sounds kind of interesting that that's his general reasoning, although it makes some sense. Not enough to believe he is right, but enough to greatly consider his statements..
Right now, unless anybody is acting very suspicious, I don't think it's late enough to be construction a ****list.


Post grew a bit to much for me, not used to typing so much, I'll take a look over the thread in an hour or two. Got quite a bit of reading to do right now.

Btw Soy, it's spelt Sarcasm ^.^.

 

[Nolecub]

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My thoughts:

If Ankeli was the one responsible for the imprisonments, we would not know if it was a pro town role or not. There was no opportunity for any discussion on any findings due to our beloved princesses death.

I am sure there is a blocking role in this game, whether it be pro-town or pro-mafia. That could have been used sucessfully last night and thus no imprisonment. I am highly doubtful that this is the case, but I am sure that a blocking role does exist.

As far as Dash's death, I believe that may actually help us as it prevents the mafia from an extra kill. How? Odds are still very high on day 2 for us to lynch a townie.

As far as voting for today goes, I am trusting at the moment of Soy being a townie so:

Vote: Hey

The next person high on my suspicion list would be On Ice. This is because of the early "I am a townie" statement on day 1 as well as letting everyone know that he is unfamiliar on how the game is played. This just smells of a mafia ploy to me.

However, my view on this will probably be skewed since he is the only one to actually vote for my lynching. But that has no bearing in my opinion as I normally leave my personal feelings out of such decisions and treat everyone the same.

 

[Soylentred]

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Btw Soy, it's spelt Sarcasm ^.^.

In the new age dictionary there is an 'h'.

Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit, and the
recipient who doesn't get it.

I like this one too - it applies to some of the posts...

Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they
come at you rapidly.
watch our for that one.

And jokes are no fun if you have to explain them. I did say in another post that perhaps my sarchasm was too wide.

 

[Erwwwd]

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Another post that allows doubt whether ankeli was pro-town or not.
Why would anyone think ankeli was mafia? I thought it was obvious he was pro-town after the nk. He was the only one dieing on night 3, and no-one was saved by the doctor.

Some remarks about what has been said about this.
@ Massive - The remark about ray posting a 40 minute notice was for night 2, so that doesn't give us a clue for a non-mafia nk on night 3. There was a lot of time to give him those night 3 orders when he was away on a holiday to the gulags.
@Hey, I think it's not even allowed by the rules for the mafia to kill one of their own. Even if it is allowed, it would be pretty stupid don't you think?
@Aman. You started this rumour, post 184. Why?


@ Hey again. Soy was punning with that sarchasm remark.

Ps. It's spelt spelled.

 

[Aman]

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Hey's voting has been quite odd, not really backing his votes up and he seems like a good candidate for the lynch.

vote : Hey

Another post that allows doubt whether ankeli was pro-town or not.
Why would anyone think ankeli was mafia?

You can only assume that, until you know all the roles Ankeli beeing mafia can't be ruled out.

@Aman. You started this rumour, post 184. Why?

Because i know something you don't.

 

[Jaago]

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Sorry I haven't posted earlier; been busy with school.

The game has been a disaster by far; however, the knowledge we have keeps growing from now on. Being active would be in the best interests of the town.

I don't have too many suspicions yet, but I like the post analysis that Massive has done.

As to my part in lynching Serdash. I already said yesterday that I wouldn't want to vote Soylentred, and serdash was the other person with a lot of votes, so... Too bad I couldn't see his hints. Anyways, I'm now even more convinced that Soylentred is town, since the imprisonment surely wasn't an accident, Soyl claimed to have a role and the mafia probably wanted to stop her from using it.

That brings me to the FBI guy. Nothing more than saying that the role is definitely restricted to one imprisonment per player, since it would really suck to be imprisoned for several days during the game. The reason it wasn't used today is probably because the mafia want to keep those options open for the rest of the game. One interesting fact about the imprisoned players is that they tend to get killed sooner or later, since they cannot be imprisoned again, and being imprisoned reduces one's chance to be mafia.

Refreshing while writing: I don't like this Hey-bandwagon. I'm more inclined towards orphan, due to Massive's contribution and the fact that he is lying uncomfortably low fro my tastes.

Vote: Orphan