Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

[spigot]

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Funny in a way if the most intelligent Aman believes there is mafia in one of those 4 - we know Ankeli wasn't due to NK. I know it's not me. That leaves just two. The funny part is accepting that Aman is right.
The other reason for no FBI imprisonment is that our FBI agent just got NK'd -possibility exists.

Uh, did you actually read my post Soy? As I gave the possibility that it was a townie FBI who was NK'd here:

There may be more, but I reckon a) is most likely for now, which means that we've just lost a power role which sucks

And your general reasoning is that Aman is smart, therefore he is right? Hmmk, lets see what he has to back up what he's said about Bob and I. I don't have massive suspicions about Aman, you're definitely still right up there on my ****list along with Orphan and Nolecub.

Reason:

Serdash: 6 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred

 

[Nolecub]

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Out of curiosity, how would the mafia have known you were a townie? I'm under the assumption that they don't find out roles of people until they NK them.


Just bringing this up, after we see that Serdash turns out to be the Beloved Princess. I find it tough to stomach that Serdash was revealing a role, but doesn't quite seem a common phrase.

Two thoughts I had while reading the thread, going to wait to see how the day plays out.

Well, the mafia knows who each other are because they converse at night. Everyone else to them is fair game. :scratch:

I am going to re-read the thread and post some other thoughts later.

 

[spigot]

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The other two non-nked aren't exactly low on my list either, but Orphan has been conspicuously absent, Nolecub tried to lay low and waffled, and you've done nothing to make yourself less suspicious to me.

 

[Aman]

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Funny in a way if the most intelligent Aman believes there is mafia in one of those 4 - we know Ankeli wasn't due to NK.

You know that for a fact?

As i've allready said it's safer to assume that the FBI is the crooked detective and the fact it wasn't used today means nothing. People are just wasting time speculating on something that really isn't likely.

I don't trust you, you both have little posts. I'll post more later.

 

[Soylentred]

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Uh, did you actually read my post Soy? As I gave the possibility that it was a townie FBI who was NK'd here:



And your general reasoning is that Aman is smart, therefore he is right? Hmmk, lets see what he has to back up what he's said about Bob and I. I don't have massive suspicions about Aman, you're definitely still right up there on my ****list along with Orphan and Nolecub.

Reason:

Ok well maybe this is sarchasm - you know the distance you have to travel between what I say and the person who gets it - that kind of chasm.
Do you not see that when I say the most intelligent Aman followed by saying the funny part is assuming he is right - that I am negating the first part.

 

[Soylentred]

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You know that for a fact?

some of the quotes aren't coming through here.

I think I know for a fact as much as possible in this game that when someone is found dead by governor Ray in the morning and it is the only death then that was an NK of a townie by mafia. Ergo Ankeli was a townie.
All of my other thoughts were musings - pretty sure we are all just at the musing stage and that includes yourself.
Pretty sure the person who imprisoned me was pro-town.
I guess it could be mafia and they don't want me around for a period in time in case what I am saying is hitting too close to home - just thought of that.

 

[Soylentred]

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sorry maybe I missed in your post that you agreed with me on the NK and I never said Aman was smart or right.

 

[Erwwwd]

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And we're back after a long night. I wasn't here on monday by the way, you may have noticed or you haven't (no-one mentioned it, eventhough so many people were talking about inactivity and it's terrors earlier that day). As a public service announcement for the rest of the game, I will be much less prolific both on monday and tuesday as that's when all my classes and my internship are(to allow me to work on the other days).

Still that investigator we're talking about. After this I suggest not to get sidetracked by the whole fbi-thing again, or at least waste as little as possible time on it, I don't see a reason for doing that. To me the alignement seems pretty obvious, because of what imprisonement means in this game.

Mafia advantage - The imprisoned blocks a role. The imprisoned makes it impossible to lynch someone during the day of imprisonement, which can protect their own. The imprisonement makes the number of people needed to lynch less -> the percentage of mafia-influence on the lynch increases.

Town advantage - The person imprisoned can't be nk'ed the following night.

This is what we know, we can speculate as much about an investigative side to the role as we want but all the facts we now have point at this being exactly the same as the crooked detective role in your previous games, why would this be different?

Pretty sure the person who imprisoned me was pro-town.
I guess it could be mafia and they don't want me around for a period in time in case what I am saying is hitting too close to home - just thought of that.

You were locked up on a day nothing happened. The mafia didnt have anything to gain from that except from a roleblock on night 3. It would also be something the mafia could do to one of their own on a day where no mafia-presence in voting was required.

Zhao died. Maybe he was hitting too close to home during day 1?

 

[SiTro]

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I've said before why I think the roleblocker is likely to be anti-town - how it's been used so far is not compatible with the idea of it being a pro-town role.

Good to see you keeping tabs on the game even though you were imprisoned Aman, the style you wrote that in leads me to think it was written slowly as the day progressed. I'm not trying to be Sint however - if I was I'd be dead already.

Erwwwd: With regard to the imprisonment of a player, the disadvantage to the town is that they can't contribute to the discussion either. Sure, you might prolong the life of a player with good insights, but you deny the town those insights for the day. IMO that still ends up being more damaging to the town.

Soylentred: Why such venom against Aman? You seem set on seeing him lynched. Unless, have I missed something in the discussion?

 

[MassiveSin]

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I hope this means something different from what im thinking, It's hard to talk in solitary confinement.

It is meant how it is written, in the context of the time it which it was written.
You were unable to contribute to the game due to being in prision thus a non contributor in my ultra short round up summary.
Going through the posts now but I wanted to make a comment on that

 

[MassiveSin]

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I think I know for a fact as much as possible in this game that when someone is found dead by governor Ray in the morning and it is the only death then that was an NK of a townie by mafia.

Could be a serial killer... would have been the first time they could use their ability since they would ad to be at the funerial on day 2. However, if this were true, their should have also been discription of a doctor save because the mafia would have also targeted someone for 2 kills that night... unless by the hint the moderator gave they didn't get their act together and make a decision (similiar to night 2 see below)

I'm still waiting for PMs. You have around 40 minutes to send them, or you missed your chance.

But to sum it up no a night kill does not equal Mafia 100% of the time... but close to it

 

[Soylentred]

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Soylentred: Why such venom against Aman? You seem set on seeing him lynched. Unless, have I missed something in the discussion?

Was that venom? Aman came right off the bat and listed me as one of his suspicians. And a bunch of other blather challenging me.
You know my surmises are as good as his so I am not for sitting while someone tells me what I have to say just can't be because it disagrees with the view they are pushing.
Someone took my response as saying Aman was smart and correct when in fact that is not what I said - I had to correct that misconception.

 

[MassiveSin]

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My Suspect list

Soy
Ankeli
Bob
Spigot

Massive
Nolecub
Jaago

Out of the first 4 im very certain there is at least one mafia member there, the rest are just making mistakes and looking very bad. The other 3 i'm very wary of and are the next lot for possible mafia members. There are many other members keeping too low a profile for my likeing so i can't get much of a read on them.

If I may add to your logic here...
Soylentred: 6 (spigot, Zhao, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
BobTheWarrior: 1 (Soylentred)
Zhao_Yue: 3 (MassiveSin, Ankeli, BobTheWarrior )
Serdash: 4 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub)
Then second mod tally
Soylentred: 6 (spigot, Zhao, Hey, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
Zhao_Yue: 2 (MassiveSin, BobTheWarrior)
Serdash: 6 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred )
Nolecub: 1 (ogogo on ice)
Then my third tally after time elapse
Soylentred: 6 (spigot, Zhao, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
Zhao_Yue: 1 (MassiveSin)
Serdash: 9 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred, BobTheWarrior, Hey, Jaggo )
Nolecub: 1 (ogogo on ice)

Now lets bold the jump ship and switch (not that it means much)
Soylentred: 6 (spigot, Zhao, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
Zhao_Yue: 1 (MassiveSin)
Serdash: 6 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred, BobTheWarrior, Hey, Jaggo )
Nolecub: 1 (ogogo on ice)

Could be that they were hungry for a lynch... by food for thought as well because of timeing

 

[MassiveSin]

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Yes i know the tally number a wrong for day 3... can't edit
Then my third tally after time elapse
Soylentred: 5 (spigot, Zhao, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
Zhao_Yue: 1 (MassiveSin)
Serdash: 9 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred, BobTheWarrior, Hey, Jaggo )
Nolecub: 1 (ogogo on ice)

Now lets bold the jump ship and switch (not that it means much)
Soylentred: 5 (spigot, Zhao, Erwwwd, SiTro, Serdash)
Zhao_Yue: 1 (MassiveSin)
Serdash: 9 (Orphan, Noammr, Friedbananazzzz, Nolecub, Ankeli, Soylentred, BobTheWarrior, Hey, Jaggo )
Nolecub: 1 (ogogo on ice)

 

[BobTheWarrior]

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This is my obligitory post for the day.
1) I have barely skimmed the days posts.
2) I've mostly forgotten what happend prior to todays posts.
3) The SPF game is drawing to a close and had required more of my time. We've narrowed it down to one enemy of nine people, so it could draw out but should be less intense now so I hope this weekend to catch up and then stay caught up.

I had hoped the community game would be less intense (as they historically have, except for L_E's game) but that's not the case. So, I'm falling farther behind in keeping up with people and will have to (hopefully) take another two hours near the end of the "day" and read everything and post a monster with a vote.

Take that to mean whatever you want.

Since it's come up and I actually read that part, regarding my vote on Serdash, I did not want to lynch him, I feel we learned nothing and cost ourselves a free NK. But, I'm pro-lynch and the majority felt it was in our best interest to be rid of a pretty princess, so as goes the town, so goes I.

Maybe it's been discussed, but what the heck was the point in detaining Soylentred on Night 2 when no discussion was going to be had on Day 2 anyway? Unless someone thought she was a member of a Masonic group or something. Then no detainment on Night 3 when normal conversation was going to begin again on Day 3? Very strange but as I said I've not kept up and don't have any idea what to make of it at this point.

 

[Soylentred]

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Maybe it's been discussed, but what the heck was the point in detaining Soylentred on Night 2 when no discussion was going to be had on Day 2 anyway? Unless someone thought she was a member of a Masonic group or something. Then no detainment on Night 3 when normal conversation was going to begin again on Day 3? Very strange but as I said I've not kept up and don't have any idea what to make of it at this point.

Exactly I am of the opinion it was to protect me. I am certain it was not to role block me because I don't think anyone thinks my role is very important.
I had a few people who did not want me lynched. It was for that fact that people switched their vote. Not lynch hungry we just agreed that we needed to move forward with a lynch.

 

[SiTro]

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In a day with no discussion it would be less of an advantage for a mafia roleblocker to block a townie than a fellow mafia. Assuming the role works as it did in Skunkbelly's game, then each person can only be imprisoned once in the game. It's probably more beneficial to imprison a mafia buddy earlier in the game rather than later, you'll prefer townies in the endgame to restrict the towns voting power. The only thing you can draw from Soy's imprisonment is that she isn't the roleblocker.

Was that venom? Aman came right off the bat and listed me as one of his suspicians. And a bunch of other blather challenging me.

It sounded a little venomous when I read it.

Well, be fair. You have to remember that there was nothing stopping Aman from reading the thread over the previous day, he just couldn't post or be interacted with. It's not the same situation as we had yesterday morning, when Aman started playing there was already a day's worth of discussion for him to read over and draw conclusions based on that. And if people can decide you're shady enough to vote for during Day 1 itself I'd say its feasible that Aman might agree with those people when he was released. Or he might not. Either way he had more information when he started playing.

You know my surmises are as good as his so I am not for sitting while someone tells me what I have to say just can't be because it disagrees with the view they are pushing.

This is what discussion's about. The job of a townie is to work out whose opinions are helpful to the town and whose opinions they believe are harmful.

Someone took my response as saying Aman was smart and correct when in fact that is not what I said - I had to correct that misconception.

Be careful with sarcasm. Much harder to use well in text.

Why do you think Aman is mafia?
Why do you think the roleblocker is pro-town?

I don't mean these questions as accusations, but I would be interested in hearing your responses to them. It would help my understanding.

By far not enough people are posting for this late in the day. There's only about two or three people driving the conversation and I'm not one of them.

As a last note, Ankeli asked me a question towards the end of yesterday that I didn't get a chance to answer. He's dead now, but for completeness:

As for not voting for me, why won't you then if I am so suspicious to you?

It was due to the fact that there weren't any votes for Ankeli at the time, but a significant number for Soylentred who was only just behind Ankeli in the MP stakes. Rather than create a new alternative candidate it was more useful to reinforce the votes for Soy.

 

[Soylentred]

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Why do you think Aman is mafia?
Why do you think the roleblocker is pro-town?

I did not say Aman was mafia. In fact if I believe the FBI agent is pro town then I believe Aman is not mafia, same as me.
I believe as I said a few times here. As soon as I was detained I felt the role had to be pro-town because I know I am townie because I can't see why mafia would try to protect me. And you seem to agree with that- the mafia would not protect me at this point. A pro-town not knowing the roles would stumble on protecting me but mafia wouldn't.
I was actually out running and into the first mile and it hit me - that that role could not be mafia and that someone was protecting me. Or it is dual role with the cop and my inprisonment was side benefit of normal investigation. When that little lightbulb goes off over your head you don't ignore it.

I agree the sarchasm is wider in type.

 

[SiTro]

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Thanks. I like those answers.

I think a dual cop-roleblocker role would probably be too powerful but it's an interesting thought. If it got down to the last remaining mafia member and the cop-blocker chanced to hit them, then the cop would find out that the player was mafia and they'd be excluded from discussion for the day, giving them no chance to take part in the discussion as the cop claimed (if they hadn't already) and convinced the town of their wrong-doing.

 

[spigot]

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I think as was said earlier, we need to move away from discussion of the role-blocker, no further information is around at the moment, our only tool again is the vote, and I think we should start using it to prod people into posting. I am going to go in first and put it on hey to say something. Conspicuously absent and I like Massive's vote analysis:

vote: hey