Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

[MassiveSin]

Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre

I kind of tend to agree with you on opposing a random lynch, but every day without a lynching basicly works for the mafia.

Well we can agree to disagree there.
In the last game when it was the 3 ided by the cop & the mason it would have been in the town's interest to not lynch so they would still have a 2 to 1 odds in favor of the town. Instead lynching someone and being wrong and then letting the mafia kill again and win the game. I was killed off but none of the town ran with my thought that the cop got one wrong or was naive... anyways different game.

I still say anyone that can't do that math is more mafia than not but as I said this is round one. I just hope people role playa bit more.

 

[spigot]

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All a townie can do in my opinion (after my last game) is watch in turn 1 for blaring statements for someone screaming mafia.

And how the hell will anyone blurt out something dumb if there's no conversation?


Apart from this, I think Soyl has done a pretty good job of not sounding too much like mafia, and we still haven't heard from Bob, so I'm going to move my vote over to the third wheel for now...

vote: Bobthewarrior

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

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However, she hasn't been too good at hiding her role in the past so I believe she is clean.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure you're not mafia (bacause of my flawless reasoning ) and I won't vote you unless I have a very good reason.

So you’re going to ignore the fact that Soy was trying to push that the Crooked Detective role was a pro-town role. She further surmised that because Aman was detained by this pro-town role, he must be mafia. Then she goes on to say we can’t lynch Aman today, but we can lynch him in the future … already putting a judgment call on Aman before he can defend himself. You don’t find that suspicious at all Jaago?

Saying that you are pretty sure someone is innocent is a pretty strong statement, given the current facts. You didn’t provide any credible evidence why she might be innocent (being an open book is not a defence and what flawless reasoning?).

1. I am a constant analytical poster which is good for the town or at least for the time being better than non posters.

Both townies and mafia can be analytical posters. This is not a defence.

However I disagree with you saying you are analytical. You first 2 posts were filler and your subsequent posts theorizing how Aman could be mafia seemed like stretching facts for your own purposes.

2. I am trusting Ankeli not on his previous role but by the fact that he seemed smart the last time. He had few words but usually good ones.
Basing anything on previous roles, previous games I agree- you can't base anything on that. I was tempted to just go back and see who has been mafia and who has been town previously just thinking that the roles have to swing to the other side at some point.
But you can't do that and that has been proven to me by the fact that THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE BEEN MADE A TOWNIE.
So I agree don't base anything on previous roles. Do base things on whether someone has their wits about them and contributes.

So if Ankeli was a smart mafia, you’d still follow him? Usually you judge a person by what he says, not what he is capable of.

I don’t see the necessity for you to spaz out like this. In the last Community Mafia game you were the cop and I felt that you played that role in a very calm manner.

3. I am an open book as Jaago said I'm pretty easy to read, I'm disingenuous to a fault.
Go back over two games - anyone I said trust needed to be trusted except for the Jaago traitor thing and note I was full on to lynch him until I was told he was a traitor. So keeping me you have a fairly transparent person who will fight for the town til they get nk'd (probably just to shut me up ;-) )

You’re pretty easy to read … how is this a defense? If you are easy to read and I’m readying mafia from you, how does this help you?

You know that disingenuous = deceitful/untruthful. That’s actually bad.

4. I am the last woman here with Thy dead - some feminine intuition might help the town here.

Not a defense.

5. I am a townie with a role that I do not want to reveal yet. We know I have to convince you of that enough to save me but not enough to get me nk'd.

So you just claimed to be a townie with a power role. It’s is still early in the day and you were no where near being lynched so this was unnecessary. Why panic over a few questions?

If you are going to false claim a role, make it a good one. Nothing lame like exploding doctor.

Well in response to this I did not claim to be doctor or cop.
Look at our numbers and consider that Ray promised lots of interesting roles.
16 alive
4 mafia
1 cop
1 doctor
1 reviving role
2 lovers
2 masons at least
1 FBI agent
1 governor ?
1 or 2 of something else baker, busdriver, coroner, tree stump

So possibly 10 of 12 townies have a role and 10 of those are lower.
So mafia can not shake a stick without getting a townie with a role - as Jaago said they want one of the power roles - I don't think I risked much by claiming I have a role when so many of us probably do.

Liquid’s and Ray’s game are 2 completely different setups. Stop trying to create facts to support your claims.

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

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FYI, since MassiveSin made so many wrong statements in the last Community Mafia game, I'm going to use the 'George Costanza' logic:

"If every instinct of yours is wrong, then the compete opposite ... must be right."

Since MS is pushing for not lynching today, it's probably a good idea to lynch. :grin:

 

[BobTheWarrior]

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To be honest, I've only skimmed the thread so far. I believe there's still 20+ hours left in the day, so I'll find some time to go back and read a little more.

One thing I did see while skimming was this line:

You don't want to lynch me. Trust me.

Now, that's the biggest bunch of hogwash I've read in a mafia game. Trust you?!?!? There's no way we can on the first day, even if you reveal your role to us. No one can be trusted in this game.

Maybe you made the comment in jest, but it doesn't seem so. Again, just skimming.

I can't in good faith vote you yet, but I will do so if after I read the thread in more detail, hopefully this evening.

 

[Ankeli1]

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So Bob just shows up and... points a finger? Odd enough.

 

[friedbananazzzz]

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For now, I'm gonna go after the non-poster, as it's been over 24 hours already.

Vote: BobtheWarrior

"If every instinct of yours is wrong, then the compete opposite ... must be right."

:laugh: I love it.

 

[friedbananazzzz]

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Gah, should have refreshed. So he's no longer a non-poster, but he still hasn't contributed much, so I'll leave it for now. Will wait for his next post.

 

[Erwwwd]

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Also - early for role reveal ? Well I am the only one with a significant number of votes here. This early other than what I have stated in my points I don't have much other defense.

I'm still confused by your reveal. This is what is bugging me. You had 3 votes against you, 6 votes away from lynching. I don't think that is a significant number yet. Also there is still a long way to go before the final decision for today has to be made. In your post I see a slip up by someone with more knowledge than they let on to have. What tipped me over to vote was your defense of Ankeli with no ground (to me as I don't have the time/patience to reread all other games) whatsoever, he was one of the people I had marked as suspicious before your post so it felt to me that this fitted together.

The posts by yaago and especially noammr make me less certain of myself, though. I will still keep my vote up for now, because your own posts are not convincing me, especially the one where you claim that most(all) townies will have a role, that doesn't seem like a fair game to me, the vanilla townies are the core of the game, and replacing all or nearly all of them by powerfull and less powerfull roles would make the game to easy on the side of the town. Ray wouldn't have done that, even if he promised us some unique roles.

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On the subject of having to lynch no matter what - I agree with Massivesin. As I mentioned a lynching just so we don't "waste" a lynch is not a good enough reason for me, with the odds so screwed in the favour of the mafia right now. We can have 3 or 2 dead townies tomorrow. That's 50% extra productivity for the mafia, including chances of taking out a powerrole.

 

[friedbananazzzz]

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Double Gah! Didn't bold it in the first post, I suppose I'll do it now for completeness.

Vote: BobTheWarrior

 

[spigot]

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Heh, pretty much the same thing happened with me fb, I posted then he turned up. Will leave my vote on him for now, I think Zhao is gunning for SOyl a little too hard, to deflect attention away from himself maybe...

 

[spigot]

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What tipped me over to vote was your defense of Ankeli with no ground

Don't forget that we probably have masons and lovers in this game Erwwwd, unfounded support can be informative, but its not necessarily instantly suspicious.

 

[Noammr]

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In the last game when it was the 3 ided by the cop & the mason it would have been in the town's interest to not lynch so they would still have a 2 to 1 odds in favor of the town.

You're right, I hadn't though about that. However, I don't see how this applies to day one which is what my comment was aimed at anyway. You have any math showing how a no-lynch first day is in the interest of the town?

I still don't think Soy's mafia, can't see her last couple of posts make any sense if she were...I'd expect a mafia to downplay it much more and try to fade into the backgroud. Seems to me lot's of people falling in with the first excuse to vote against someone.

Nice to see bob showed up, care to share any new insights apart from joining the soywagon?

 

[Ankeli1]

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You have any math showing how a no-lynch first day is in the interest of the town?

Simple math suggests that really.

 

[Soylentred]

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So you’re going to ignore the fact that Soy was trying to push that the Crooked Detective role was a pro-town role. She further surmised that because Aman was detained by this pro-town role, he must be mafia. Then she goes on to say we can’t lynch Aman today, but we can lynch him in the future

being an open book is not a defence and what flawless reasoning?).

Both townies and mafia can be analytical posters. This is not a defence.

However I disagree with you saying you are analytical. You first 2 posts were filler and your subsequent posts theorizing how Aman could be mafia seemed like stretching facts for your own purposes.

So if Ankeli was a smart mafia, you’d still follow him? Usually you judge a person by what he says, not what he is capable of.

I don’t see the necessity for you to spaz out like this. In the last Community Mafia game you were the cop and I felt that you played that role in a very calm manner.

You’re pretty easy to read … how is this a defense? If you are easy to read and I’m readying mafia from you, how does this help you?

You know that disingenuous = deceitful/untruthful. That’s actually bad.

Not a defense.

So you just claimed to be a townie with a power role. It’s is still early in the day and you were no where near being lynched so this was unnecessary. Why panic over a few questions?

If you are going to false claim a role, make it a good one. Nothing lame like exploding doctor.

Liquid’s and Ray’s game are 2 completely different setups. Stop trying to create facts to support your claims.

You Zhao, practice the fine art of escalation.
You escalate my cautioning that the FBI agent does not have to be a mafia role as pushing that view onto others. I was not the only one who expressed this caution.
You escalate my wondering if Aman is mafia and being detained as possible mafia to a statement that I believe he is.
You escalate my claiming townie with a role to claiming a power role.
You escalate my calm defense to panic.
You escalate my statement that I am easy to read to being a defense and I said no twice - not a defense but perhaps having some value to the town as being someone who does not obfuscate.
You escalate my support of Ankeli to blind and unwavering when I did express it was for today only.
You escalate my list of 16 players and 14 possible roles into me creating a factual list of how Ray must have set it up.
You are right in one thing only - I did use the word disingenuous incorrectly.
I will not use the words hyperbole, inflammatory or even tommyrot incorrectly when it pertains to your surmising about my motives.
Please do not attribute thoughts and actions to me that you have fabricated out of whole cloth.

 

[Soylentred]

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Zhao, I really hope people read what I have actually said and not what you say I have said.

 

[Noammr]

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Simple math suggests that really.

How so? Do you think it's better to wait till the mafia kills some townies so our odds will be better? I don't see what we gain from waiting, but I'm new to the game so maybe I'm missing something- explain your simple math it to me.

 

[Ankeli1]

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Soylentred does come with a point here, and I dont think she's someone we should go for today. Rather take the inactive(?) and suspicious Bob imo.

 

[Ankeli1]

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Simple math as in the chance to hit a mafia member with a seemingly random lynch grows larger every day when the crowd thins. Whether that's beneficial to the town or not is unique to each game, and impossible to tell until the game is over

 

[Zhao_Yue1]

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On the subject of having to lynch no matter what - I agree with Massivesin. As I mentioned a lynching just so we don't "waste" a lynch is not a good enough reason for me, with the odds so screwed in the favour of the mafia right now. We can have 3 or 2 dead townies tomorrow. That's 50% extra productivity for the mafia, including chances of taking out a powerrole.

Keep in mind that the mafia will try to kill someone each night, reguardless of whether we lynch someone or not. That brings them 1 step closer to winning each time they get this extra kill. In my experience, lynching everyday is the better strategy, except under rare circumstances.

Where are you getting 2 or 3 dead townies? There was 1 night kill yesterday night, and I think there will probably be only 1 night kill tonight.

Heh, pretty much the same thing happened with me fb, I posted then he turned up. Will leave my vote on him for now, I think Zhao is gunning for SOyl a little too hard, to deflect attention away from himself maybe...

That's the way I play, hard and fast. I've bagged 5 mafia in the last 3 games so it works. It would have been 6, but I was having too much fun with Aman last game.

If Soy properly addressed the statements against her then I would have had had no momentum and would have left her alone. As is, many of her statements are suspicious and I'm surprised many of you are turning a blind eye to that.

Spigot, if you have suspiciouns on me, then do clearly voice them. Leaving out a Red Herring like that just causes unnecessary confusion.

Don't forget that we probably have masons and lovers in this game Erwwwd, unfounded support can be informative, but its not necessarily instantly suspicious.

I've played both masons and lovers in previous games and in most cases, they try not to appear too close to each other in fear that the mafia team might pick them off.