OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

BobTheWarrior said:
Unvote: Jaedhann
Vote: maatiarna

The last time Thyiad was this adamant she was right.
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Bob Thyiad may have been right last time BUT SHE IS NOT RIGHT ON THIS OCCASION. I am a townie.

Why would I have outed Ray on day 3 for being active at night if I was anti-town. I would have had no clue which people are active or not, so it would have been a stab in the dark and I could have accused a regular townie for being active, in which I would have shot myself in the foot. Therefore that would be too big risk. BUT Ray did say when I outed him that he was active that night as he is the Goon. Now Bob how could I have guessed that.

Therefore Thyiad is WRONG and when I do get lynched or NKed you will indeed find out that I am in fact a regular townie.


 
Well, I'm back from the bar, but nothing really concrete has been said/done. Maatiarna was never on my suspect list, and Thy has gradually come off it (though I'm still a little apprehensive about her play style). And the few comments after my last post haven't made me want to commit to voting either one of the ladies for any reason, so that's out the window. But Thy, you might want to unvote yourself...

Also, as I look at all the posts below the reply box, it's mostly just these two ladies going back and forth... giving the remaining anti-town people perfect cover to hide in... I know I was distracted by it, so I wouldn't be surprised if other people were too. Getting back to business:

No one seems to have commented on my PureSummon vote, or my reasoning behind it. He hasn't even stepped up to defend himself against my accusation. I'll try again tomorrow.

Unvote: PureSummon


@lukin: I still don't see how unvoting someone after they claim a town role is suspicious (regardless of how ridiculous you think the claim is...) Also:
lukin said:
I am sticking with Friedbananazz for right now, but would easily shift to Naz if anyone would like to go in that direction because they are the most sketchy at this point.
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What if I vote for Naz? Will that satisfy you?


Hmmm... according to muzzz's count, goltar and dashy haven't voted yet... where are they?
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Well, I doubt I'll make it back before day's end, so I better make a vote now if I want one to count...

When it comes down to it, I know that Jason is a townie, so I'll follow along with his logic:
Jason Maher said:
How's about we make a stab at some sort of unified action here people?! Everyone chasing their own pet theory down their own little hidey-hole won't win us the game,it will hand the bad guys the only chance they have of escaping the disastrous start they have had to this game.

So in that spirit, I'm going to do a Liq - everyone vote now for one of Jaedhann or Serdash. Both of them have contributed next to nothing thus far, save for a dubious drinking claim from Jaedhann. Whichever one of these clowns doesn't go today goes tomorrow. I haven't seen either of them out, as I'm not a drinker, but they both smell rotten to me, and I'm sure one of them will turn up bad.
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The prime suspect of mine is voting for Jaedhann, and another person that people are suspecting (Naz) is too, so I'll hold my vote for him atm... (but he's still on my suspect list... just low on it atm)

Jason as maatriana said:
To be honest, right now I do feel Serdash should die first. At least Jaedhann is trying to defend himself. Serdash isn't even posting. If I see a few people agree with this sentiment, I will switch my vote and hopefully we can get a train going on our ultimate non-contributor.
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Well Jason, I trust you, so here you go:

Vote: Serdash

Hopefully that will get the ball rolling like you want.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Both Serdash and Jaedhann haven't contributed much. I doubt Serdie is mafia though. Those guys tend to do a better job at trying to blend in. Since Jaedhann seems a more likely suspect, I'll keep my vote on him.
In the first two days, people have accused me of being too random. Today, I can almost honestly say that the lot of you are too random in my book. We have a quarter of a day left or so, and the vote is currently pretty much locked on Jaedhann. I see no reason to change it now, but if you lot make up your mind and try to lock in on Serdy, I'll join my vote if it will cinch the deal.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Well it seems the whole town has gone to bed early. I think Jaedhann may still be in front on a whopping 3 votes. Come on people! We need some action. We have been unbelievably fortunate to hit 3 mafia in a row. It is more than likely we'll hit a few townies before we uncover the remaining 2 (possibly) bad guys. But to sit and do nothing and bicker in corners won't help, just allow those dirty swine who would undermine our Don longer to wreak havoc than they have any right to.

Let us not rest on our laurels because we've struck pure gold so far, or because we fear killing an innocent victim. Such is inevitably going to happen in any of these games. I am all for the classic Liq theory of knocking off the unhelpful people, if they turn up townie, so be it. Think about it - if the town is hell bent on attacking non-contributors, that leaves any mafia who like to hide in corners in a quandry. Continue to hide, and eventually be taken out as a non-contributor, or come out and play, making it easier to pry and poke and eventually coax a slip-up out of them. But if they see the town has no fortitude to follow such a course, they'll just sit back and laugh at us taking each other out one by one.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Since it is better to lynch than to not lynch...Let's make it four for Jaedhann. In the meantime, it would be nice if Maatiarna and Thy could kiss and make-up. Maybe one of you are mafia, but I think most of us think you're both not, so it will be awhile before either one of you gets a whole lot of votes. In the meantime, settle down, grab yourself a tasty beverage and join together to get someone lynched.


VOTE: Jaedhann
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Jaedhann hasn't felt right to me for a while, ever since he outed Thyiad on day 2. With my current suspicion that Thyiad was framed by Sint's death, I'm even more inclined to think Jaedhann's behind it. That could be the intent of the enemies, but I'm not going through more levels of thought there, it starts getting too convoluted and more often than not it bypasses the true culprit. So, with that in mind.

Vote: Jaedhann

Regarding voting for people who don't post much. If someone doesn't post at all, they're effectively dead weight. They're very easy and safe targets for the enemies, as they don't throw suspicion anywhere. They're very safe from slipping up. And frankly, if they're not posting at all, they're not playing for some reason or another.

If someone does post, but just not much, then I'm far more inclined to let them live on that basis, simply because I understand how real life can get in the way. water_moon and I have an 11-month old daughter, I work during the day (can go online, but typically prefer not to), and we try to spend some time together at some point each day. So those drastically reduce the time we're able to post. Weekends are a little better at least. I understand not being able to post very often, and that's not mafia. That's someone with real life obligations who is finding a way to balance everything. Jason, I think you'd understand that just as well.

Basically, what I'm saying is that how much you post is completely irrelevant, as long as you post at all. It's what you post that matters. Quality over quantity.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I know how easy it is to lose track when the pace is measured in pages per day. But please try to pay attention to your voting.

Both Lukin and W_M forgot to unvote. Their last attempts to vote (for Jae and Naz, respectively) won't count.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Day will end in ~2-3 hours.

Code: 
Vote #  Voter         Prev votee  votee         
     1  W_m                       Thyiad        
     2  Thyiad                    Thyiad        
     3  Jaedhann                  Thyiad        
     4  Ray                       Lukin         
     5  PureSummon                Lukin         
     6  Jason                     Lukin         
     7  Jason         Lukin       
     8  Jason                     Jaedhann      
     9  Lukin                     Friedbananaz  
    10  PureSummon    Lukin       
    11  Friedbananaz              PureSummon    
    12  Thyiad        Thyiad      
    13  Maatiarna                 Serdash       
    14  Merlin                    Jaedhann      
    15  Thyiad                    Maatiarna     
    16  Bob                       Jaedhann      
    17  PureSummon                Jaedhann      
    18  Naz                       Jaedhann      
    19  Maatiarna     Serdash     Thyiad        
    20  Thyiad        Maatiarna   Thyiad        
    21  Bob           Jaedhann    Maatiarna     
    22  Friedbananaz  PureSummon  
    23  Goltar                    Jaedhann

Jaedhann      5  
Thyiad        4  
Friedbananaz  1  
Lukin         1  
Maatiarna     1

Not voting:
Friedbananaz
Serdash
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Code: 
Vote #  Voter         Prev votee    votee         
     1  W_m                         Thyiad        
     2  Thyiad                      Thyiad        
     3  Jaedhann                    Thyiad        
     4  Ray                         Lukin         
     5  PureSummon                  Lukin         
     6  Jason                       Lukin         
     7  Jason         Lukin         
     8  Jason                       Jaedhann      
     9  Lukin                       Friedbananaz  
    10  PureSummon    Lukin         
    11  Friedbananaz                PureSummon    
    12  Thyiad        Thyiad        
    13  Maatiarna                   Serdash       
    14  Merlin                      Jaedhann      
    15  Thyiad                      Maatiarna     
    16  Bob                         Jaedhann      
    17  PureSummon                  Jaedhann      
    18  Naz                         Jaedhann      
    19  Maatiarna     Serdash       Thyiad        
    20  Thyiad        Maatiarna     Thyiad        
    21  Bob           Jaedhann      Maatiarna     
    22  Friedbananaz  PureSummon    
    23  Goltar                      Jaedhann      
    24  Lukin         Friedbananaz  Jaedhann      
    25  W_m           Thyiad        Naz

Jaedhann   6  
Thyiad     3  
Naz        1  
Lukin      1  
Maatiarna  1

Not voting:
Friedbananaz
Serdash

Jaedhann has been lynched. He was a townie.

It is now night 5. I need PM's again.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

W_m has been killed. She was a townie.

It is now day 5. ~48 hours to lynch someone.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Interesting developments... Only 1 NK, which narrows the scenarios considerably...

1) The Goon(Ray probably) blocked one of the parties. If so, he should come out right now and state who he blocked. If ray is NOT the goon(unlikely), it's really in the town's best interest if the real goon comes out as soon as possible though...
2) Both rival parties targetted the same person. Not very likely, odd-wise.
3) Only 1 faction left. Which means that Sint WAS, in fact, an undercover cop, or that JAedhann has been falsified to appear as a townie. The last oen I find unlikely. But if Sint was an undercover cop, we should really examine his posts quite thoroughly. For now, I want to know what Ray did though
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Another alternative could be that one of the factions decided not to NK anyone. After all, for the first time, we lynched a townie. In particular, the town seems to be lost. Maatiarna and Thyiad are fighting, suspicion is being thrown everywhere, and the mafia or the undercover cops may be lyning low to avoid being spotted while we argue pointlessly.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

So we have...

1) Only one NK.
2) Two dead townies, neither of which possesed power roles.

- Only one NK probably means that Sint was the last of the Cops. Other possibilities exist, but they are less likely.

- I don't believe Jaedhann showing townie tells us much, given he was lynched. He says he saw Thyiad drinking, and suggested that if he showed townie we should kill Thyiad next. He also was wary of Liquid, who we know was clean, and helped along with Lister's lynch.

- Water_Moon's death. Yesterday she was going after... Thyiad and me. From the grand Maartiarna/Thyiad bust-up I was more ready to believe Thyiad, simply because she was so emphatic. That's not a normal EotF behaviour. Obviously I assert that I'm not an EotF, and I think that my posting record lends credence to that.

Now, something else we need to talk about: we have a big problem right now with our night roles. There are now 3 power roles who are probably out every night, plus drinkers, and (probably) only 1 EotF. That means that the signal/noise ratio of our night abilities has hit rock bottom. The Snoop and any drinkers are very likely to simpy catch other drinkers or family power roles, and we don't want that. We HAVE to get some control over what happens at night or the remaining EoTF will be laughing as we cancel each other out while they whittle away the remaining townies.

Therefore, I think we need to form a plan, as going on the way we are will mean all of the townie night abilities will become basically useless. Something different needs to be tried at night. Whether that plan is something as simple as 'Doc/Goon stay home', or something as orchestrated as my original proposal is up for discussion, but we need one.

Now, as a matter of fact, I think that my original plan will still work, and work well. If just the drinker and the Doc are out at night, we can shut down the EotF's NK ability for as long as we have drinkers, and now we don't have to worry about former drinkers suddenly switching sides. Our known dead EotF didn't think that much of it either - Sint kept acting like it was nonsense, Lister was broadly negative, NaCruno didn't like it much, Magicboy said "it gave the Mafia too much information", Lister made a vaguely negative comment.

Still, if the consensus goes elsewhere, I'm happy to discuss alternatives to the original plan. My central point is that we need to come up with something or lose the effectiveness of our night roles.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

Heh, instead of "townie" in that post read "family member".
 
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Hmm, a thought on re-reading. Catching the Doc is now 50/50 on an NK night. I don't think that our remaining EotF will NK though, because there's a 50/50 chance of them being caught and so losing the game. If you were an EotF, would you gamble on a coinflip - heads the Doc gets lynched, tails you lose the game? I think not.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

I think killing watermoon was a feint to go after Naz.

I'm right people but they couldn't kill me because it would have been *so obvious*.

Will you people listen to me. I am right. You know I am right.

Vote Maatiarna
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

[QUOTE="Nazdakka]Whether that plan is something as simple as 'Doc/Goon stay home'[/QUOTE]
Perhaps this might be the easiest route to go. They stay home, the snoop goes out. No drinkers either. I see two outcomes.
1) Snoop gets a name, comes forward, we lynch whoever they saw. If there is currently only one EotF left, then game over. If there's two left right now, then the next night the Doc protects the Snoop and we try it again. (this may need some more work)
2)No NKs are made. But even this still works in our favor, as that means the Snoop doesn't receive any name at all, so they don't have to come forward and give away who they are, and we've still effectively stopped a NK.

Just an idea.
 
Re: OT: SPF mafia round 7 - Return to Salem

@lukin - Oh please. Let's see, The town is lost? Why? In three consecutive days, we lynched as many mafia members, and the night kills amounted to three cops. Odds are there is only 1EotF left... Now, yesterday, we lynch one townie, who acted suspiciously, and from that you garner all is lost? What should we do then, give up? Be constructive, not destructive.

@Nazdakka - There are other options. For one, we could opt to lynch whomever Ray chose to block. That would a) Rule out one of my listed scenarios, namely, the one blocked enemy faction. b) It'll give some more info on Ray.

There is another option though, but that is one which might be best used once we establish whetehr there is only one EotF left or not. And that is simply this.
All powerroles and townies come clean and tell what they did each night
Obviously, someone would be lying, and we would be giving the enemy a lot of information for free, but we could also use the information found to get a better read on possible suspects...

@Thyiad Keep on hammering on maatiarna, will you? I have asked you to explain her outing Ray earlier. Where did that claim come from? You haven't explained this one decisive factor sufficiently (or rather, not at all).

@Fried - Please read the rules. Muzzz states emphatically that the snoop can select someone to snoop on each night, and gets information on whether that person was active or not at the end. This is a really odd post, which pretty much suggests the snoop should unveil him/herself with very poor chances of finding anything. Quite suspicious, if you ask me...
 
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