Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
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I agree with Ankeli's vote atm, but as I said I see no reason to rush the lynching just yet (48h days, people) so I'm going to give bob a while to show up with a good excuse. I'd also like to point out that MassiveSin's single, short post puts him only slighty ahead of bob in terms of activity.
I agree with Ankeli's vote atm, but as I said I see no reason to rush the lynching just yet (48h days, people) so I'm going to give bob a while to show up with a good excuse. I'd also like to point out that MassiveSin's single, short post puts him only slighty ahead of bob in terms of activity.
Soylentred
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I was just about to say the same thing and then read back and saw a bit of a bandwagon against me has started.
You don't want to lynch me. Trust me.
As said inactivity is the worst thing for the town and I post a lot.
Read the first posts here - I was first and then accused of watching this game like a hawk so I backed off a bit.
I analyse the game and contribute. I have been right on many occasions.
I won't bore you with the details but in the first game and second all of my hunches were correct.
Plus I am a townie.
Vote against a non poster because they aren't contributing. They are not adding any useful information and they may be hiding out.
Townies usually come forward pretty fast.
I trusted Ankeli last time so for this round - you have me.
vote BobTheWarrior
I was just about to say the same thing and then read back and saw a bit of a bandwagon against me has started.
You don't want to lynch me. Trust me.
As said inactivity is the worst thing for the town and I post a lot.
Read the first posts here - I was first and then accused of watching this game like a hawk so I backed off a bit.
I analyse the game and contribute. I have been right on many occasions.
I won't bore you with the details but in the first game and second all of my hunches were correct.
Plus I am a townie.
Vote against a non poster because they aren't contributing. They are not adding any useful information and they may be hiding out.
Townies usually come forward pretty fast.
I trusted Ankeli last time so for this round - you have me.
vote BobTheWarrior
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Perhaps instead of making empty statements, you should convince us why we shouldn't lynch you.
That is true, but mafia can come in a wide variety of posting habits. By saying you should be less suspicious because you post alot is not good enough.
Everytime someone makes a Liquid-like statement ("I'm just a townie!") like this, it makes me more suspicious.
How do you know this? Is there actually a basis for this statement?
You should judge people differently in different games. People's roles can change. Saying that because Ankeli was a trusted townie last game you trust him again this game does not make logical sense.
It almost feels like you are trying to hide behind Ankeli.
Many statements were made against you Soy, are you going to address them, or just ignore them?
Perhaps instead of making empty statements, you should convince us why we shouldn't lynch you.
soy said:
That is true, but mafia can come in a wide variety of posting habits. By saying you should be less suspicious because you post alot is not good enough.
Soy said:
Everytime someone makes a Liquid-like statement ("I'm just a townie!") like this, it makes me more suspicious.
soy said:
How do you know this? Is there actually a basis for this statement?
soy said:
You should judge people differently in different games. People's roles can change. Saying that because Ankeli was a trusted townie last game you trust him again this game does not make logical sense.
It almost feels like you are trying to hide behind Ankeli.
Many statements were made against you Soy, are you going to address them, or just ignore them?
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If everyone did this it (no posting anything necessary until something worth mentioning happens) every day would be like a first day and we'd get nowhere. This is not helpful, hollow activity may be even worse than no activity at all.
I haven't made up my mind enough for voting, but will say that I think Zhao has a strong case for putting pressure on soylentred. I'm very interested in his coming response.
If everyone did this it (no posting anything necessary until something worth mentioning happens) every day would be like a first day and we'd get nowhere. This is not helpful, hollow activity may be even worse than no activity at all.
I haven't made up my mind enough for voting, but will say that I think Zhao has a strong case for putting pressure on soylentred. I'm very interested in his coming response.
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Just to point out, even though Zhao and SiTro post very insightful and informative posts, it doesn't necessarily make them townies. Those guys can be quite manipulative when they want to.
Zhao seems to have an innate need to confront someone every game. :hide: Since aman is imprisoned at the moment, he has taken soylentred as a substitute. Now, soylentred has pretty much been an active non-content poster in this game by far, which is suspicious in a way. However, she hasn't been too good at hiding her role in the past
brainiac so I believe she is clean.
SiTro's analysis keeps more distance and he has given us a good overview of the situation so far. I tend to agree with him, which makes me feel he's a townie. Let's hope he keeps up the good work.
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I'm not ready to vote yet because I don't think either of the present top candidates are worth the try. (I'd like to hear from Bob first, at least; and if he doesn't post at all, he'll likely get modkilled)
Just to point out, even though Zhao and SiTro post very insightful and informative posts, it doesn't necessarily make them townies. Those guys can be quite manipulative when they want to.
Zhao seems to have an innate need to confront someone every game. :hide: Since aman is imprisoned at the moment, he has taken soylentred as a substitute. Now, soylentred has pretty much been an active non-content poster in this game by far, which is suspicious in a way. However, she hasn't been too good at hiding her role in the past
brainiac so I believe she is clean.SiTro's analysis keeps more distance and he has given us a good overview of the situation so far. I tend to agree with him, which makes me feel he's a townie. Let's hope he keeps up the good work.
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I'm not ready to vote yet because I don't think either of the present top candidates are worth the try. (I'd like to hear from Bob first, at least; and if he doesn't post at all, he'll likely get modkilled)
Ray Patean
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
Vote: # (Voters)
Soylentred: 3 (spigot, Zhao, Hey)
BobTheWarrior: 2 (Ankeli, Soylentred)
SiTro: 1 (Serdash)
There is just over 23 hours left in the day.
Vote: # (Voters)
Soylentred: 3 (spigot, Zhao, Hey)
BobTheWarrior: 2 (Ankeli, Soylentred)
SiTro: 1 (Serdash)
There is just over 23 hours left in the day.
Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
I'd rather take down a no-show then a potential usefull and active townie...Soy doesn't look all that shady to me, certainly not shady enough to get a vote while there are two inactive players in the game (am I the only one who's noticed MassiveSin hasn't posted anything worthwhile?).
I'll give Bob and MassiveSin a couple more hours to come around before I vote.
I'd rather take down a no-show then a potential usefull and active townie...Soy doesn't look all that shady to me, certainly not shady enough to get a vote while there are two inactive players in the game (am I the only one who's noticed MassiveSin hasn't posted anything worthwhile?).
I'll give Bob and MassiveSin a couple more hours to come around before I vote.
Soylentred
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Re: Mafia: The Gangland Massacre
My defense:
1. I am a constant analytical poster which is good for the town or at least for the time being better than non posters.
2. I am trusting Ankeli not on his previous role but by the fact that he seemed smart the last time. He had few words but usually good ones.
Basing anything on previous roles, previous games I agree- you can't base anything on that. I was tempted to just go back and see who has been mafia and who has been town previously just thinking that the roles have to swing to the other side at some point. But you can't do that and that has been proven to me by the fact that THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE BEEN MADE A TOWNIE.
So I agree don't base anything on previous roles. Do base things on whether someone has their wits about them and contributes.
3. I am an open book as Jaago said I'm pretty easy to read, I'm disingenuous to a fault.
Go back over two games - anyone I said trust needed to be trusted except for the Jaago traitor thing and note I was full on to lynch him until I was told he was a traitor. So keeping me you have a fairly transparent person who will fight for the town til they get nk'd (probably just to shut me up ;-) )
4. I am the last woman here with Thy dead - some feminine intuition might help the town here.
5. I am a townie with a role that I do not want to reveal yet. We know I have to convince you of that enough to save me but not enough to get me nk'd.
Thanks for listening- now I have 50 cm of snow I have to go deal with. If I don't come back send the big dogs with the whiskey barrels attached to their necks.
My defense:
1. I am a constant analytical poster which is good for the town or at least for the time being better than non posters.
2. I am trusting Ankeli not on his previous role but by the fact that he seemed smart the last time. He had few words but usually good ones.
Basing anything on previous roles, previous games I agree- you can't base anything on that. I was tempted to just go back and see who has been mafia and who has been town previously just thinking that the roles have to swing to the other side at some point. But you can't do that and that has been proven to me by the fact that THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE BEEN MADE A TOWNIE.
So I agree don't base anything on previous roles. Do base things on whether someone has their wits about them and contributes.
3. I am an open book as Jaago said I'm pretty easy to read, I'm disingenuous to a fault.
Go back over two games - anyone I said trust needed to be trusted except for the Jaago traitor thing and note I was full on to lynch him until I was told he was a traitor. So keeping me you have a fairly transparent person who will fight for the town til they get nk'd (probably just to shut me up ;-) )
4. I am the last woman here with Thy dead - some feminine intuition might help the town here.
5. I am a townie with a role that I do not want to reveal yet. We know I have to convince you of that enough to save me but not enough to get me nk'd.
Thanks for listening- now I have 50 cm of snow I have to go deal with. If I don't come back send the big dogs with the whiskey barrels attached to their necks.
Soylentred
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sorry no edit on point 3 - meant full on to lynch Jaago until I investigated and was told he was townie
sorry no edit on point 3 - meant full on to lynch Jaago until I investigated and was told he was townie
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Soylentreds rebutal is long and winding, and has a strange half-hearted attempt at a roleclaim near the end(nr.5). What is the idea behind this? If you really have a pro-town role why give it away so soon? There have only been some questions directed at you and a few votes, and thosevotes seem more like votes to put pressure on you for an answer and not enough for you to give so much away. After this the mafia will see you as prime target tonight, this makes me think you consider yourself immune from them and you only need to defend yourself from the town.
So much earlier than I expected to vote, I
Vote:Soylentred
It actually slipped by me, the massivesin absence, eventhough you also mentioned it in an earlier post. He needs to address this.
Soylentreds rebutal is long and winding, and has a strange half-hearted attempt at a roleclaim near the end(nr.5). What is the idea behind this? If you really have a pro-town role why give it away so soon? There have only been some questions directed at you and a few votes, and thosevotes seem more like votes to put pressure on you for an answer and not enough for you to give so much away. After this the mafia will see you as prime target tonight, this makes me think you consider yourself immune from them and you only need to defend yourself from the town.
So much earlier than I expected to vote, I
Vote:Soylentred
It actually slipped by me, the massivesin absence, eventhough you also mentioned it in an earlier post. He needs to address this.
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Please, don't use my defense for you as your defense for yourself. It really makes you look suspicious.
On another note, I'm pretty sure MassiveSin has posted, that avatar is hard to miss.
Please, don't use my defense for you as your defense for yourself. It really makes you look suspicious.
On another note, I'm pretty sure MassiveSin has posted, that avatar is hard to miss.
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What would this gain her? She would be lynched at the next opportunity. Remember that the mafia, being the minority don't gain from buying one day and sacrificing a member in the process.
Claiming a role this early is bad, but I can see a number of explenations for this decision:
a.Soy's trusting a pro-town power role to protect her from being nk'ed the next night.
b.Soy has a non-vital pro-town role or one that triggers when nk'ed and will work to the towns advantage.
My point is that the way I see it, at worst, this claim is a plain mistake and will cost us a townie/pro-town role next night. I still think that Soy being mafia is the least likely explanation here and anyway, if it looks like it's true we can always lynch her tomorrow.
You're right, he did make one post in which he said thanks for the link to mafia wiki.
What would this gain her? She would be lynched at the next opportunity. Remember that the mafia, being the minority don't gain from buying one day and sacrificing a member in the process.
Claiming a role this early is bad, but I can see a number of explenations for this decision:
a.Soy's trusting a pro-town power role to protect her from being nk'ed the next night.
b.Soy has a non-vital pro-town role or one that triggers when nk'ed and will work to the towns advantage.
My point is that the way I see it, at worst, this claim is a plain mistake and will cost us a townie/pro-town role next night. I still think that Soy being mafia is the least likely explanation here and anyway, if it looks like it's true we can always lynch her tomorrow.
You're right, he did make one post in which he said thanks for the link to mafia wiki.
Soylentred
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Jaago I was not using your defense of me as my defense - I was using your confirmation that I do not hide my role and that I am easily read as my defense and also to state that I consider that valuable to the town. Although I think you saying 'I believe she is clean' would be an excellent defense that maybe I should have mentioned.
Also - early for role reveal ? Well I am the only one with a significant number of votes here. This early other than what I have stated in my points I don't have much other defense.
Now, soylentred has pretty much been an active non-content poster in this game by far, which is suspicious in a way. However, she hasn't been too good at hiding her role in the past
Jaago I was not using your defense of me as my defense - I was using your confirmation that I do not hide my role and that I am easily read as my defense and also to state that I consider that valuable to the town. Although I think you saying 'I believe she is clean' would be an excellent defense that maybe I should have mentioned.
Also - early for role reveal ? Well I am the only one with a significant number of votes here. This early other than what I have stated in my points I don't have much other defense.
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It is a very bad defense anyways, to say you're easily readable. If you're mafia, you're probably able to keep your mouth shut from a straight mafia-claim.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure you're not mafia (bacause of my flawless reasoning :tongue and I won't vote you unless I have a very good reason.
Claiming doesn't automatically mean getting killed at the next possible instance. The mafia is usually after the top-end power roles (i.e. doc and especially cop), so low-end power roles (like masons) usually get a lower priority.
It is a very bad defense anyways, to say you're easily readable. If you're mafia, you're probably able to keep your mouth shut from a straight mafia-claim.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure you're not mafia (bacause of my flawless reasoning :tongue
and I won't vote you unless I have a very good reason.Noammr said:
Claiming doesn't automatically mean getting killed at the next possible instance. The mafia is usually after the top-end power roles (i.e. doc and especially cop), so low-end power roles (like masons) usually get a lower priority.
MassiveSin
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Tell me what a townie with no special abilties can provide on turn 1...
All a townie can do in my opinion (after my last game) is watch in turn 1 for blaring statements for someone screaming mafia. If that isn't available then its lynch someone at random and I'm still against tis in turn 1. So I'm doing my due dilagence. Reading the posts... In round one I will not vote for anyone unless its obvious they are mafia. I rather not lynch a mason, or other pro townie off the bat and give the mafia a 3 kill adavantage in turn 2.
Tell me what a townie with no special abilties can provide on turn 1...
All a townie can do in my opinion (after my last game) is watch in turn 1 for blaring statements for someone screaming mafia. If that isn't available then its lynch someone at random and I'm still against tis in turn 1. So I'm doing my due dilagence. Reading the posts... In round one I will not vote for anyone unless its obvious they are mafia. I rather not lynch a mason, or other pro townie off the bat and give the mafia a 3 kill adavantage in turn 2.
Soylentred
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Well in response to this I did not claim to be doctor or cop.
Look at our numbers and consider that Ray promised lots of interesting roles.
16 alive
4 mafia
1 cop
1 doctor
1 reviving role
2 lovers
2 masons at least
1 FBI agent
1 governor ?
1 or 2 of something else baker, busdriver, coroner, tree stump
So possibly 10 of 12 townies have a role and 10 of those are lower.
So mafia can not shake a stick without getting a townie with a role - as Jaago said they want one of the power roles - I don't think I risked much by claiming I have a role when so many of us probably do.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure you're not mafia (bacause of my flawless reasoning :tongue
Claiming doesn't automatically mean getting killed at the next possible instance. The mafia is usually after the top-end power roles (i.e. doc and especially cop), so low-end power roles (like masons) usually get a lower priority.
Well in response to this I did not claim to be doctor or cop.
Look at our numbers and consider that Ray promised lots of interesting roles.
16 alive
4 mafia
1 cop
1 doctor
1 reviving role
2 lovers
2 masons at least
1 FBI agent
1 governor ?
1 or 2 of something else baker, busdriver, coroner, tree stump
So possibly 10 of 12 townies have a role and 10 of those are lower.
So mafia can not shake a stick without getting a townie with a role - as Jaago said they want one of the power roles - I don't think I risked much by claiming I have a role when so many of us probably do.
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Well, he can share his observations for a start, I think that from a town point of view- the more people talking about thier opinions, the better.
I kind of tend to agree with you on opposing a random lynch, but every day without a lynching basicly works for the mafia.
Well, he can share his observations for a start, I think that from a town point of view- the more people talking about thier opinions, the better.
I kind of tend to agree with you on opposing a random lynch, but every day without a lynching basicly works for the mafia.
