OT: The SPF Mafia Game Round Three
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Sint Nikolaas
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stupid people letting me do all the investigating :grin:
Project: Touch Jrla.
Day 1.
Jrla said to be suspicious of Thy and Rev. Later that list gets expanded with Jaago. He voted for Rev. With a little chit chat here and there I couldn't find him (or someone with him) agreeing or disagreeing.
Day 2.
Posted a small list in which he said the following: RK likely mafia, Undecided on Rash, Thy likely mafia, Undecided on Cyg, Lister likely townie possible doc, Sint likely townie. He also voted for Rev in that post. Later on he spoke with more doubt about Rash and flagged him to be possible mafia. He said that it might also be possible that Rev was mafia and that the other mafia was protecting him.
Other people on Jrla: Brak was suspicious for Jrla, voted for him but unvoted the next post. Rev said he was suspicious of Jrla, saying he was playing safe. Lister made a list where he put Jrla in the least suspicious part. Thy disagreed the next post saying that that part had the people in it the most suspicious (could be referring to someone else). I said that Jrla was likely to be a townie.
So far it looks like Jrla was either a random killing or a frame up for either Rev or Thy.
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Strangeness:
And:----
In post #350 Jrla lists me: Sint -blah blah- prognosis: townie.
In post #387 xduck ''quotes'' this as: Sint: prognosis: townie, possibly doctor.
Odd stuff? Out for a joke or out for something else?
Project: Touch Jrla.
Day 1.
Jrla said to be suspicious of Thy and Rev. Later that list gets expanded with Jaago. He voted for Rev. With a little chit chat here and there I couldn't find him (or someone with him) agreeing or disagreeing.
Day 2.
Posted a small list in which he said the following: RK likely mafia, Undecided on Rash, Thy likely mafia, Undecided on Cyg, Lister likely townie possible doc, Sint likely townie. He also voted for Rev in that post. Later on he spoke with more doubt about Rash and flagged him to be possible mafia. He said that it might also be possible that Rev was mafia and that the other mafia was protecting him.
Other people on Jrla: Brak was suspicious for Jrla, voted for him but unvoted the next post. Rev said he was suspicious of Jrla, saying he was playing safe. Lister made a list where he put Jrla in the least suspicious part. Thy disagreed the next post saying that that part had the people in it the most suspicious (could be referring to someone else). I said that Jrla was likely to be a townie.
So far it looks like Jrla was either a random killing or a frame up for either Rev or Thy.
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Strangeness:
But that did happen. Did you not put Jrla in the bottom part of your list?
And:----
In post #350 Jrla lists me: Sint -blah blah- prognosis: townie.
In post #387 xduck ''quotes'' this as: Sint: prognosis: townie, possibly doctor.
Odd stuff? Out for a joke or out for something else?
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skunkbelly
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Yay! A Vote!
In fact, I was going to mention this, but I *was* away from the computer for the weekend for personal reasons (14-hour work day on Saturday, followed by child-watching duties on Sunday). So yes, I was scarce.
Please see posts 380-382 for the exchange that I found enlightening (and, as I pointed out, Rash's sudden and blunt today vote renewed my suspicion). That's enough evidence, I think, to be wary about someone.
And if history is any guide, then you almost certainly will :flip:
Now who would the missing person be? Being a peculiar absence, I doubt it's CDRToast, as his absence is to be expected. The only other logical scenario I can see would be if Jaedhann was a mason and the other mason wasn't present. With only two masons, if we did lynch one, we've effectively defeated the role of mason, as there is nobody left for the other to communicate with, thus making them no more than a standard townie.
I'm still uncertain about Thyiad, but her unexplained voting is striking me as just a bit too suspicious, and not in a village idiot way anymore. RK's still up on my list too, but the more I think about things, the less I'm concerned about him and the more I'm concerned about Thyiad. So I'm going to go ahead and make my vote.
Vote: Thyiad
Jrla made the possibly doctor comment. I just said that would be very ironic if you were.
This is the second time you are misrepresenting me. Is there some sort of pattern to this? Not really sure what to make of this.
Sint Nikolaas
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Actually, he said Lister was the possible doctor. I can't see how you can quote him, delete the rest of his post, delete the part he said about me and put something that was written about lister (who was above me) at the end of what he said about me. You had to be meddling with the quote. Now I can't say if it's just a ****-up on your part or something intended, but you could not have quoted him the way you did without re-typing the prognosis.
And he also didn't post between the one you quoted and your own post, so he didn't say it in another post.
Which makes this:
And he also didn't post between the one you quoted and your own post, so he didn't say it in another post.
Which makes this:
A lie.
We are running in circle like chickens with no heads.
Even tho I really enjoy reading Rev's posts (he's been entertaining since the beginning) he remain my main suspect. After all, most logical facts we're pointing toward him.
Things that makes him the prime suspect right now;
1. Both people who got hit by the mafia only voted for him (Drixx once, Jrla twice)
2. He changed his attitude moments before being lynched. I know he said himself it was suspicious and kind of covered it with a story but still...
I believe RK is the mafia's franchise player right now. They are working their game around him and it's working perfectly.
Anyhow, I'll wait a little bit before casting my vote but it will most likely be for RK.
Even tho I really enjoy reading Rev's posts (he's been entertaining since the beginning) he remain my main suspect. After all, most logical facts we're pointing toward him.
Things that makes him the prime suspect right now;
1. Both people who got hit by the mafia only voted for him (Drixx once, Jrla twice)
2. He changed his attitude moments before being lynched. I know he said himself it was suspicious and kind of covered it with a story but still...
I believe RK is the mafia's franchise player right now. They are working their game around him and it's working perfectly.
Anyhow, I'll wait a little bit before casting my vote but it will most likely be for RK.
Wow I just looked back at the post and your right. I usually use quickpost so I almost always type up short quotes from scratch. Can't believe I missed that the first time through...
So you're either a baby sitter or mafia. Hmmmm:scratch:
It seems you have won this round. But you'll slip up eventually :evil: . After my worst-case scenario being correct last game (after me being obnoxiously sure of the obvious theory) and seeing how well you played the mafia in game 1 I'm most worried about you. But odds are low you're anything but a townie.
Darn it unvote skunkbelly
This xduckster-sint exchange looks interesting, but the same thing happened with Sint and I last game. Anyway looks like something to read up on *runs after something shiney*
Or he's a mafia babysitter. Lots of pizza, but you reach for a slice he's called dibs on and... *BOOM*
Sint: I voted for Jae in day 1 as well, you seem to have missed that. You might want to make note of who was murdered and who was lynched as well.
I'm not too concerned about RK now. The facts seem to add up for the moment. What could be interesting is if Jaago is mafia also and quoted RK when he did to draw away some of the heat and suspicion? Certainly, if RK is mafia, having made that comment before the roles were handed out would be a nice smokescreen. I didn't notice until GoHabsGo pointed it out that the mafia murder victims both posed something of a threat to him, though since we've only had two nights and one victim only voted once that might be a less significant issue.
I'm going to wait a bit before deciding where to cast my vote today.
Sint: I voted for Jae in day 1 as well, you seem to have missed that. You might want to make note of who was murdered and who was lynched as well.
I'm not too concerned about RK now. The facts seem to add up for the moment. What could be interesting is if Jaago is mafia also and quoted RK when he did to draw away some of the heat and suspicion? Certainly, if RK is mafia, having made that comment before the roles were handed out would be a nice smokescreen. I didn't notice until GoHabsGo pointed it out that the mafia murder victims both posed something of a threat to him, though since we've only had two nights and one victim only voted once that might be a less significant issue.
I'm going to wait a bit before deciding where to cast my vote today.
Finally had some time to have my thoughts catch up. So far I've mostly been going over my previous suspects (RK, Rash) and the VI.
RK - Gave a decent explanation for his behavior, but still hurt the town in general by attracting attention away from the mafia (assuming he's innocent himself). Not sure if it was just lack of thought, selfishness, or guilt which made him do it. My suspicion of him has dropped a bit, but not much.
Rash - Although his posts in general are pretty good, there have been some odd highlights. His "don't save me, doc" on day one and the vote above are the ones that stand out most to me. I also don't like the way he twists posts around, although he seems to do it mostly to provoke.
The VI - Most unsure about this one. I think my previous attempts at reverse psychology were a mistake. Of course he's trying to get lynched, but there are as many ways to do that as there are reasons for lynching. Perhaps we should look for someone who's playing style shifts with the lynching attitude? :scratch:
I realize that a lot of the above is "old news", since it's pretty much my rehash after reading over the previous day. I'll try to look into some more people, especially the quieter one's, later this game-day.
RK - Gave a decent explanation for his behavior, but still hurt the town in general by attracting attention away from the mafia (assuming he's innocent himself). Not sure if it was just lack of thought, selfishness, or guilt which made him do it. My suspicion of him has dropped a bit, but not much.
Rash - Although his posts in general are pretty good, there have been some odd highlights. His "don't save me, doc" on day one and the vote above are the ones that stand out most to me. I also don't like the way he twists posts around, although he seems to do it mostly to provoke.
The VI - Most unsure about this one. I think my previous attempts at reverse psychology were a mistake. Of course he's trying to get lynched, but there are as many ways to do that as there are reasons for lynching. Perhaps we should look for someone who's playing style shifts with the lynching attitude? :scratch:
I realize that a lot of the above is "old news", since it's pretty much my rehash after reading over the previous day. I'll try to look into some more people, especially the quieter one's, later this game-day.
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Moar, at least your wording was confusing in that post I quoted; that could have just as well been a slip of the tongue. And I just can't approve the method of voting you used the first day (to me it seemed too limited, like one of the non-voters would have to be mafia).
It is :tongue:, maybe bacause I never managed to do so well in that particular game.
For now, my vote stays.
It is :tongue:, maybe bacause I never managed to do so well in that particular game.
For now, my vote stays.
water_moon
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#1 goltar is on the middle list, and you mentioned only the least suspcious list.
#2 you can't honestly think SB is THAT incompetent? Not only we BOTH newcomers to this game, but we live in the same household. Which not only ups the chance for a no kill if something comes up (I will point out at this time that we were both on and active for the no kill mafia night) but means that if were both on a "colusion team" so to speak, we'd be able to operate outside of the game.
But I am not a game saboteur. So despite that the fact that the general personality conflict is mutual (for those of you wondering why she called for my head from the very start) I'm not going to waste my vote on you.
I vote: Rash
He's not stupid enough to really be the witness as he's been trying to imply. And while he may be the VI trying to trick the mafia into not taking him out, I'm more inclined to belive he's mafia. His reverse psych with the "go ahead, lynch me!" was over acted.
water_moon
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Also, Rash has said that he's got his favorite roll in RL version in this round. The VI is too rare for that to be a common roll in RL games. But you can't have the game at all without mafia!
If you're going to yell out a window in the middle of the night, you're obviously up to no good. Therefore mafia.
And that's exactly the reason I posted that from the start.
It would be idiotic to presume you both aren't playing the same side if you live in the same house and possibly even using the same computer.
And that's exactly the reason I posted that from the start.
It would be idiotic to presume you both aren't playing the same side if you live in the same house and possibly even using the same computer.water_moon
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We have 3 computers, not counting the ones goltar uses at work, And even though we both tend to perfer the fastest one at home, we have XP (differnet logins) and use differnt browsers. I prefer IE because it's the one that behaves with KoL and he uses Firefox.
Besides, there would have been kills the first night if either of us were mafia. We were both checking in waiting for something to happen!
On that note I've decided that the mafia was not intending a no kill, if they were they would have sent SB a pm to the effect of laying low so I retract my call for Rash's death.
Instead I think he's the VI and the mafia can hit him tonight. If he is mafia, he'll be alive tommorow and we can target him then and if he's the VI and the mafia misses, then they lose too.
Unvote: Rash
Sint Nikolaas
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xduck, I don't care too much if it really is a mistake. However what really bothers me is that it aparently didn't even occur to you that it might be a mistake on your side.
I even put the post numbers in it so you could easily look it up, but no, you go ahead and assume I did wrong. Pretty much marking me for a lynch after that with the ''2nd time misinterpreting, don't know what to make if it''. Planting a seed of doubt is probably what the mafia would do in this case. ''Oh no you did something, but instead of voting I'm going point in your direction..''
You moved up on my list of suspicious people. I should add that it isn't only because of this ''lack of concern'' attitude, you are lying low and didn't vote yesterday. I know you voted for noone, but effectively this comes down to the same thing, not lynching.
I will not vote for you because even with everything I said here, it doesn't make you mafia. The ''slip up'' would sooner make you the doctor than the mafia which would just be bad play. I wondered how you would've reacted and IMO you reacted badly.
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Yeah Brak, however this still is the kind of thing to look for. Minor slip up's, strange wordings etc. I am more carefull this time though..
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Muzz, I do agree with the bit about RK, however he did announce it and he played his part. I'm glad he came around when he did. I think you're right about the mafia leaving him in because he was attracting too much attention.
Hm.. now that I think of it, why does everyone think that the mafia would want to take out the VI? If there are solid leads on who is the village idiot, wouldn't it be in the mafia's interest to leave that person in? They could just point it out, but kill him later in the game. I mean, it's one townie who hasn't got one of the other roles isn't it? Might aswell leave him in since he is less of a threat then someone who might be the cop. The only reason to take him out at night is if the rest of the town is indecided and are threatening to kill him the next day or so... and even then a mafia can sacrifice himself. It does shine a new light into town discussion...
I even put the post numbers in it so you could easily look it up, but no, you go ahead and assume I did wrong. Pretty much marking me for a lynch after that with the ''2nd time misinterpreting, don't know what to make if it''. Planting a seed of doubt is probably what the mafia would do in this case. ''Oh no you did something, but instead of voting I'm going point in your direction..''
You moved up on my list of suspicious people. I should add that it isn't only because of this ''lack of concern'' attitude, you are lying low and didn't vote yesterday. I know you voted for noone, but effectively this comes down to the same thing, not lynching.
I will not vote for you because even with everything I said here, it doesn't make you mafia. The ''slip up'' would sooner make you the doctor than the mafia which would just be bad play. I wondered how you would've reacted and IMO you reacted badly.
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Yeah Brak, however this still is the kind of thing to look for. Minor slip up's, strange wordings etc. I am more carefull this time though..
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Muzz, I do agree with the bit about RK, however he did announce it and he played his part. I'm glad he came around when he did. I think you're right about the mafia leaving him in because he was attracting too much attention.
Hm.. now that I think of it, why does everyone think that the mafia would want to take out the VI? If there are solid leads on who is the village idiot, wouldn't it be in the mafia's interest to leave that person in? They could just point it out, but kill him later in the game. I mean, it's one townie who hasn't got one of the other roles isn't it? Might aswell leave him in since he is less of a threat then someone who might be the cop. The only reason to take him out at night is if the rest of the town is indecided and are threatening to kill him the next day or so... and even then a mafia can sacrifice himself. It does shine a new light into town discussion...
water_moon
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Every day they leave the VI in is another day they risk insta lossing. Now they could leave him in until there's enough call for his death if they think they know who it is, but as evidenced in both the recent and distant past a lynching target may change over the corse of the day drastictly. If they think they know who it is and then they have to suddenly change the current mood of the townsfolk to avoid his lynching they risk both exposure of themselves and the liklyhood that they'll be ignored and lose anyway.
If 20 people working together can hurt one of you, but 1 person can defiantly mess it up for all of you in one shot; you stop the one person first.
And that does bring up the witness roll. If you think you know the VI, then they are a safe target. It's not the witness.
