Amazon passive question

[lordx]

Amazon passive question

Does Evade works only when im walking/runing or does it also work when im attacking or standing still. do i really need to put points into Avoid and Dodge
as well or is it enough that i put them in Evade (will it work the same)?

 

[brokensvt]

Dodge = Avoid melee while still
Avoid = Avoid ranged while still
Evade = Avoid ranged and melee while moving

Greg

 

[lordx]

Dodge = Avoid melee while still
Avoid = Avoid ranged while still
Evade = Avoid ranged and melee while moving

Greg

I already knew that. im asking if i should really put points into all of them, based on you past experience.

 

[brokensvt]

It seems I answered your question in my first post. It's self-explanatory that each works in its own way, and not in any other. Yes you need each if you want each way of avoiding damage.

Greg

 

[Machina]

I already knew that. im asking if i should really put points into all of them, based on you past experience.

If you don't intend to attack, I suggest you don't bother with Avoid and Dodge.
If you don't intend to move, I suggest you don't bother with Evade.

:wink:



To answer your question, I usually put roughly equal points in all 3. It depends on what your Amazon will be up against though (PvM, PvP - against which chars, if not all), and you should base your decision on that.

 

[Yogirat]

Well you need to put one point in all three in order to get a Valk. Past that, it is really open to debate about how useful these skills are. What matters is your play style and build. If you put points into the dodge skills you will be subject to the Fend bug, meaning if you go into a dodge animation during an attack cycle the rest that cycle you will 'whiff' or miss. This effects jab, fend (duh), strafe, even zeal if you use a 'passion' RW weapon.

Because of jab's rapid attack speed, the bug really isn't very noticable. The same with strafe, plus there are other things impacting strafe like AR and next delay, so it really isn't any big deal there. Fend is another story. It really mess's you up, particularly if you use a big slow spear.

FA,LF, Multi etc. are not effected by the bug. The only build that really utilizes big dodges is the Tankazon. (normal attack)

Good foot speed is the best dodge skill of all, zons should never walk.:wink3:

 

[Flayed One]

IMO D/A/E are one of the most screwed up skills ever... They are the ultimate skills to put points in if you want to miss a lot... I even read somewhere that if you dodge while casting a curse the "casting" will miss(the monster will be unaffected) even though the graphics will show otherwise... The bug shouldn't happen on an interruptable skills of course - they simply get interrupted by D/A/E animation.

Those skills might be of *some* use on elemental skills using zon, because valk helps to herd monsters in the right way to do optimal damage and because you probably would have to sacrafice a lot for survivalability of the character without(the second part is actually true for elemental bowazons and probably no block javazons.javazons with 75% block seem to do fine).

I know that the skills seem to be pretty usefull. What's not to like in a skill that let's you avoid 60% or 70% of all damage? The problem is that on a physical damage dealing character, using fast speed attack skill, you could simply leech the life lost easily. With D/A/E I spend more time actually trying not to get hit, or having to deal with already triggered fend-bug(which actually should be named D/A/E bug).

I dissagree about them being usefull or not so noticable on a jabber or strafer. D/A/E on a jabber means she will never be able to do uber-tristram, and generally makes her miss a lot in pvm.. it's way better not to put points in D/A/E and simply leech back. I belive on a strafer the deal is the same... I made a strafer with really crappy gear, and no points in D/A/E... ended up having no problem tanking nightmare listers pack. Im sure that If I had draculs on her she would be able to tank hell lister... I also have a second one - with D/A/E. She cannot tank listers pack for the life of her - even in nightmare. Sure... why would she - its a ranged character and she uses merc/valk/decoy as tanks, but my killing speed with her is actually lower because I have to spend time positioning my tanks... No wonder people with high runewords like "Faith" and "Forti" cant solo ubers with strafers - even one single attack directed at them may make them miss all attacks untill they release strafe button, stop current attack cycle, and start another. Thats a second worth of constant leeching on a low life character.

enough of my rambling.

My conclusion - each and every point put in D/A/E is wasted on pvm character, and if the character uses physical damage dealing skill it wrecks him.

 

[windwingwind]

FA,LF, Multi etc. are not effected by the bug. The only build that really utilizes big dodges is the Tankazon. (normal attack)

From my personal experience, D/A/E bug does affect LF. In WSK my LF sometimes have no effect at all to Flayer packs. I think it's because of I D/A/E their darts at the moment I throw the javalin. Can someone confirm this?

 

[awilhelmscream]

I only put points into D/A/E as a prerequisite for valk.
I haven't experienced this bug and I reckon, with a tank and a ranged weapon most amazons shouldn't be getting hit enough for this to occur.
One point in each- and even with +skills the % occurrance of the skill drastically affecting your gameplay shouldn't be huge from my experience.

 

[Yogirat]

From my personal experience, D/A/E bug does affect LF. In WSK my LF sometimes have no effect at all to Flayer packs. I think it's because of I D/A/E their darts at the moment I throw the javalin. Can someone confirm this?

No, LF is an auto-hit skill.