want to make a vindicator, have questions

[Dethfield]

want to make a vindicator, have questions

Hey guys, im interesting in making a PvP vinidcator (vindi's are charge/smite correct?). I only found one guide (http://www.purediablo.com/guides/news.php?id=597) in the guides thread, which wasnt as helpful as i expected so i have a few questions.

1. The guide Suggested maxing smite, holy shield, fanat, and defiance, but only putting "the rest" in charge. Would it be do-able to max charge, and the put "the rest" in another skill, such as defiance?

2. Should i consider maxing or putting extra points into charge's synergies (vigor, might)? Could i possibly max might instead of fanat?

3. Leading from the last question. does ITD work the same on players as it does on monters? If so, would it be possible to use might (which doesnt have AR bonus), and rely on the ITD from say a grief axe or sword to land hits?

4. What kind of armor would be good to make fortitude out of for this build?

Well thats it for now. Thank you in advance!

 

[Ragnarod]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

I couldn't check the guide (the strategy compendium won't load for some reason), but I think maxing Charge would be more useful than Defiance (higher damage and AR > higher def, IMO).

ITD doesn't work for players (nor for bosses or champions, it only works on regular monsters and minions), and even if it did you'd be better off getting Fana instead of Might since you'll be needing the IAS for Smite (and Fana has more ED than Might anyways).

As for the armor... not sure, I'd imagine any elite light armor your character has strenght enough to equip would do: dusk shroud, wire fleeche, archon plate... you know.

 

[Kinky]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

1. The guide Suggested maxing smite, holy shield, fanat, and defiance, but only putting "the rest" in charge. Would it be do-able to max charge, and the put "the rest" in another skill, such as defiance?

Defiance is there for the Holy Shield synergy--which is rather important because it gives a 15% Defense bonus per level. I would not consider swapping Defiance for Charge, and I'll mention why below.

2. Should i consider maxing or putting extra points into charge's synergies (vigor, might)? Could i possibly max might instead of fanat?

If you feel the need, put one point into each. After +skill bonuses, you should have enough for a hefty synergy. However know that even though Charge will be your "primary" attack, it isn't your most valuable attack (hence the Vindicator build). For this reason, you'd be better off focusing on Smite and Holy Shield (and therefore Defiance).

Having made a Smiter myself, I would NOT suggest you being cheap on Fanaticism. It's arguably your most valuable skill. If you want to be cheap on anything, go cheap on Smite.

4. What kind of armor would be good to make fortitude out of for this build?

Said above. An Archon Plate would be a good bet for defense, and they're relatively easy to find if you're going to trade for it.


-Kinky

 

[Dethfield]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

Thank you for the replies

I think ill just put on point in might and vigor and max charge intead of smite.

one more question, would grief work better for a vindicator when put in a Zerk axe, or a phase blade?

 

[Ragnarod]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

I'd suggest the berserker axe since it has range 3, the difference is noticeable in PvP (especially since you'll be using Charge) and it doesn't take much IAS to reach the fastest Smite speed. Repairs are annoying compared to the phase blade, but I think it's worth it.

 

[Rawness1]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

I'd suggest the berserker axe since it has range 3, the difference is noticeable in PvP (especially since you'll be using Charge) and it doesn't take much IAS to reach the fastest Smite speed. Repairs are annoying compared to the phase blade, but I think it's worth it.

Just have a few Ral runes in stash to repair and it'll be aight... Or was it tal runes?

 

[Ragnarod]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

Just have a few Ral runes in stash to repair and it'll be aight... Or was it tal runes?

Ort for weapons, Ral for armors, and that's some really good advice, forgot to mention it

 

[Dethfield]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

thanx guys.

I did a search for more info on chargers, and the idea of a 2 handed weapon intrigues me. I was wondering, what skills should be maxed in that case since it wouldnt use a shield, and how much dex would we good enough?

 

[Ragnarod]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

I don't know if a 2h weapon Charger is a viable PvP build, since you'll be lacking block and getting resistances will be harder without a shield, but if knowing that you still want to give it a try I'd keep dex at just what you need to equip the weapon (if you lack AR you'd be better off using Angelic ring + amu rather than putting points in dex) and max Charge and its synergies (Vigor and Might), Fanaticism... and perhaps a point in Salvation for resistances when needed? Perhaps someone else has made a similar build and will be able to give you some more advice.

 

[mephiztophelez]

Re: want to make a vindicator, have questions

Defiance is there for the Holy Shield synergy--which is rather important because it gives a 15% Defense bonus per level. I would not consider swapping Defiance for Charge, and I'll mention why below.


If you feel the need, put one point into each. After +skill bonuses, you should have enough for a hefty synergy. However know that even though Charge will be your "primary" attack, it isn't your most valuable attack (hence the Vindicator build). For this reason, you'd be better off focusing on Smite and Holy Shield (and therefore Defiance).

Having made a Smiter myself, I would NOT suggest you being cheap on Fanaticism. It's arguably your most valuable skill. If you want to be cheap on anything, go cheap on Smite.

lol. just, lol. if you're using a Grief (which any pvp pally planning to use smite should be using), points into Smite > points into Holy Shield.

maxing defiance is something you only do if you want to be a 40k+ defence lifetap clown to duel against barbs.

maxing charge is perfectly viable. hell, i maxed Resist Lightning on my pvp smiter and just put spares into charge.

Thank you for the replies

I think ill just put on point in might and vigor and max charge intead of smite.

one more question, would grief work better for a vindicator when put in a Zerk axe, or a phase blade?

max charge, smite, holy shield, fanat. 1pt Salvation and Holy Freeze spares to either Vigor or Might.

the phase vs 'zerk debate is almost neverending.

thanx guys.

I did a search for more info on chargers, and the idea of a 2 handed weapon intrigues me. I was wondering, what skills should be maxed in that case since it wouldnt use a shield, and how much dex would we good enough?

2h PvP chargers are a lot of fun. the downside is it's an all-or-nothing build. you either connect and OHK your opponent, or you miss, get blocked or otherwise have your charge interrupted and then you die. BvC's, ww-sins and Bowazons are nigh-on impossible duels for a 2h charger. pretty much everything else is killable.

if making a 2h charger, keep your dex and strength spends as low as possible (you should be able to get by with base dex) and pump vitality as high as you can.