Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with thorns?

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Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with thorns?

I have a lvl 89 Necro. My Act 1 merc uses Bramble & edge for a nice lvl 34 thorns. I curse with amp damage & take down monsters fairly well.

I was wondering if thorns paired with IRON MAIDEN WOULD DAMAGE MONSTERS MORE THAN MY CURRENT SETUP?

(CURRENTLY USE THORNS & AMP)
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

First of all, this was posted in the wrong forum. I moved it to the Necromancer for you. Second, there is no reason to turn on cruise control. It won't get you answers any faster. Now to actually answer the question; Amp is better than IM.
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

ty for explanation. Now

What do you mean, cruise control? please explain!
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

Caps Lock to create part of a sentence. "CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL" or so the 39th rule of the internet says.
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

Now I'm really curious to find out 1-38th rules of internet.:jig:
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

Just google Rules of the Internet.
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

Mistress Sersi said:
I have a lvl 89 Necro. My Act 1 merc uses Bramble & edge for a nice lvl 34 thorns. I curse with amp damage & take down monsters fairly well.

I was wondering if thorns paired with IRON MAIDEN WOULD DAMAGE MONSTERS MORE THAN MY CURRENT SETUP?

(CURRENTLY USE THORNS & AMP)
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I would tend to agree that Amp is a better curse to use with Thorns -- IIRC monsters in Hell have a built-in 50% physical damage reduction which Amp, unlike IM, can negate.

Although I would hasten to add that last ladder season I had a melee Druid who was set up as follows:

* Max Spirit of Barbs (not as good as either of the other two Druid spirits, I will agree with that, but it has its good points, specifically it has far more life than either Heart of Wolverine or Oak Sage... if you don't count OS'es self boost to its own life);

* Act 2 Nightmare Thorns merc with +4 Ariocs Needle and Lore hat (was looking for an ethereal one but time ran out on that Ladder);

* My druid had Saracen's Chance amulet (CTC IM) and the merc had Steel Carapace armor (Hel'ed to reduce Strength requirement) which also has CTC IM.

This is a surprisingly effective setup, even in Hell where the monsters have huge numbers of hit points, because you can endlessly cast the Grizzly Bear in front of dangerous packs and watch them suicide on it. This particular Druid also had Rabies so that the monsters couldn't normally regenerate.

Maybe getting the merc (or me) a Bramble would have been a better choice, but I don't have the budget for that... could perhaps be a valid Necro idea as well, but you would need a Wisp Projector for the Spirit of Barbs and those rings are very hard to get without trading for dupes. On the other hand, you could pump IM, which would offset the fact that Spirit of Barbs is relatively low level. Would be an interesting build to try sometime, I think.

Cheers

Mr. Bill



 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

I heard if IM is used at a very high level it can be slightly better than amp... I've yet to try it myself though.

But I can imagine for a Summoner with CE, it won't be that good anyway since IM doesn't help with CE but Amp can.
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

Level 34 Thorns (1570% damage returned) will only return less damage with Amplify Damage against Damage Resist 0% if you can cast level 56+ Iron Maiden (1575+%).

Considering absolute maximum level 61 IM (1700%) requires a Skill Shrine, Battle Command, and a Cursing wand and Cursing shrunken head with +3 to IM each, for almost all practical purposes casting AD will return more damage. Level 34 Thorns and AD should always return more damage than level 34 Thorns and level 61 IM against DR > 7%.

Some additional information:

Code: 
SKILL             % DAMAGE RETURNED
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Thorns            250 + (40 * (level - 1))
IM                200 + (25 * (level - 1))
Spirit of Barbs    50 + (20 * (level - 1))


Damage multiplier for DR < 100%

IM                (100 - DR)/100
AD                (200 - DR)/100
A monster's base hit-points increase by 50% per additional player, and its base damage also increases by 6.25% (1/16) per additional player in Nightmare and Hell.
 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

MrBill said:
I would tend to agree that Amp is a better curse to use with Thorns -- IIRC monsters in Hell have a built-in 50% physical damage reduction which Amp, unlike IM, can negate.

Although I would hasten to add that last ladder season I had a melee Druid who was set up as follows:

* Max Spirit of Barbs (not as good as either of the other two Druid spirits, I will agree with that, but it has its good points, specifically it has far more life than either Heart of Wolverine or Oak Sage... if you don't count OS'es self boost to its own life);

* Act 2 Nightmare Thorns merc with +4 Ariocs Needle and Lore hat (was looking for an ethereal one but time ran out on that Ladder);

* My druid had Saracen's Chance amulet (CTC IM) and the merc had Steel Carapace armor (Hel'ed to reduce Strength requirement) which also has CTC IM.

This is a surprisingly effective setup, even in Hell where the monsters have huge numbers of hit points, because you can endlessly cast the Grizzly Bear in front of dangerous packs and watch them suicide on it. This particular Druid also had Rabies so that the monsters couldn't normally regenerate.

Maybe getting the merc (or me) a Bramble would have been a better choice, but I don't have the budget for that... could perhaps be a valid Necro idea as well, but you would need a Wisp Projector for the Spirit of Barbs and those rings are very hard to get without trading for dupes. On the other hand, you could pump IM, which would offset the fact that Spirit of Barbs is relatively low level. Would be an interesting build to try sometime, I think.

Cheers

Mr. Bill
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Interesting, but how you crack through the immunes ? Throwing Lacerators ? :crazyeyes:



 
Re: Thorns on necro summons: WHICH CURSE infects the MOST Damage when paired with tho

I have a lvl 89 Necro. My Act 1 merc uses Bramble & edge for a nice lvl 34 thorns. I curse with amp damage & take down monsters fairly well.
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At level 89 you should already know it works very well. Too bad it doesn't work on ranged attackers, as my sig. will attest to.:crazyeyes:
 
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