The quest for Enigma

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Dazliare1

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Hey all!

I mentioned ~two weeks ago to Fabian that I wanted to find Jah, and with his help, figured out my target to find one. I decided on LK, mostly because my lite sorc has a great map. So I embarked on an epic quest of LK runs to find the elusive Jah Rune. I knew I would have to cube bers for this, and I decided that Enigma was worth the 3x ber it would take to make it. That said, I really didn't expect the results I got:

It took 2,088 LK runs to find 4x sur and a ber. I found ber and 3x sur in 934 runs, and the last sur took over 1,000 more. However, that wasn't all I got:

21 Skillers
7 7mf SCs
Hundreds of Pgems
Several 10+res/other mod SCs like Coral Small Charm of Balance (11LR, 5fhr)
Cerebus's Bite from a vulture
The Gnasher from a vulture
6 RACKED Titan's Revenge, one 197ED, one eth
2 racked Spire of Honor
Eth Goblin Toe
9x lem
7x pul
4x um
5x mal
3x ist
1x gul
3x vex
1x ohm
4x sur
1x ber

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With that all taken care of, it's finally mine :) Kind of a bad roll, but I really don't care one bit.

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Job well done. You've just inspired me to move my sorc to Hell and start running LK.

Grats on the Enigma!
 
Eww, you're level 97? :p

Nice results! I haven't given LK much attention since I've moved to HC, but maybe I will someday when I make a sorc I don't feel like deeding in AT. What do you want to use the enigma on?
 
pharphis said:
Eww, you're level 97? :p

Nice results! I haven't given LK much attention since I've moved to HC, but maybe I will someday when I make a sorc I don't feel like deeding in AT. What do you want to use the enigma on?
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A bunch of different things really. Actually, I now am trying to decide which character to make first. It's going to be used on a fire druid for the ice caves, novamancer either in pits or WSK, telezerker in pits. I don't want to respec any of my current characters, so these will be new. My trav barb will use it, and I'll make a hammerdin for CS. I think it'll see the most use on the novamancer and telezerker though.

I'm more or less using it because I'm sick of only mfing on a sorceress, and I've never had a designated pit or wsk runner. The winter MFO results sorta inspired me to make a couple dedicated mfers, and enigma is a big part of that.
 
Could you please tell more precise number of your Pgems?

I almost forgot, huge congratz on that Enigma, absolutely most valuable runeword and item in Diablo world imo. Your Diablo life will change now, prepare yourself!
 
Gripphon said:
Could you please tell more precise number of your Pgems?

I almost forgot, huge congratz on that Enigma, absolutely most valuable runeword and item in Diablo world imo. Your Diablo life will change now, prepare yourself!
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It's so true.
BTW Novamancers are a blast in pits, CS, trav and WS K, so you can really mix it up what to do with them ;)
 
Gripphon said:
Could you please tell more precise number of your Pgems?
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I usually got 1-7 flawless per run + popping a extra chest in one of the tents(?). Probably averaging ~1.2 PGem per run. Dazliare will give us the accurate numbers tho as I never really tried to record the results. (on /p7 that is)

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Hmm... Now that I read my post 1.2 per run is sounds pretty ridiculous but when I think of LK I think tons of gems so.. meh..
 
1.2 per run is impossible. Daz did 2k runs and got hundreds of gems. In Travincal you get 1 Pgem every 3.8 runs, so I want to compare that to LK, I guess number will be something like that maybe.
 
I don't actually know the number. Srrw is right about flawless. Looking at my stash, I probably averaged 1pgem every ~4 runs, or 500 total. If your trav time is efficient, I think Trav is probably better
 
I've been running a bit of LK and a bit of Trav in a serious/normal manner in the last week, something I haven't done for years really.

You find way more gems in LK than in Trav. I didn't save the text file where I made a small comparison with charms/jewels/runes, but I'm pretty sure LK was a lot better for everything except runes. Not really a "real" test, just wrote down the results of an hour's play or whatever, but the trend was pretty clear. Should be pretty easy to get a good indication with like a few hours of testing at most, for those who are interested enough.

I haven't kept track of runs or anything so I can't comment on the 1.2 pgems per run number (heh), but the PGems do add up pretty fast.
 
Fabian said:
I've been running a bit of LK and a bit of Trav in a serious/normal manner in the last week, something I haven't done for years really.

You find way more gems in LK than in Trav. I didn't save the text file where I made a small comparison with charms/jewels/runes, but I'm pretty sure LK was a lot better for everything except runes. Not really a "real" test, just wrote down the results of an hour's play or whatever, but the trend was pretty clear. Should be pretty easy to get a good indication with like a few hours of testing at most, for those who are interested enough.

I haven't kept track of runs or anything so I can't comment on the 1.2 pgems per run number (heh), but the PGems do add up pretty fast.
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I've had pretty awful luck for runes in Trav. I don't know what it is, but it just hasn't been good in that regard. Maybe it's just that I do so much more LK, but today I had ist/fal drop in the same run TWICE, 12 runs apart. Best rune in Trav has been ohm, with an estimated 500 total runs.
 
Congrats!

A completely unscientific guess would be 1 perfect gem every 2 runs for /p7 LK... varying slightly by how much you actually care to sift through piles for them specifically.

As far as rune luck, that's just how it goes. Fortunately, 500 runs is only a few zeroes short of being enough to get a gauge on that. :badteeth:
 
I did some running now in LK, didn't count runs, but truth is gems are very easy to get, but still not sure how easy. Maybe I'll do short statistics on that for myself. However, what I noticed is insane number of jewels. In Travincal in 30 minutes I usually drop like 5-6 of them, and here in that time I farmed more than 20. Actually interesting thing is I farmed more jewels than gems. Strange or not, I'll check that out, my run sample is too low to have any conclusions yet. Also crazy amount of small charms, only few grand charms.

One more note. My unlucky streak is finally broken, curse is over. Sur is the winner.
 
Yeah Daz I don't mean like high runes or something, obviously that's impossible to determine from sample sizes of like a couple hundred or thousand runs. I'm just talking about how many like Tir, Ral and El runes (the only ones I've kept) I've had in my stash when going to GoMule.

Nagisa, maybe I'll have to start having a run counter in the background or something. I'd have thought more like 1 per 2.5 or 3, but I mean, I dunno.

Edit: I'm changing my guess to something a lot less than 1 PGem every 3 runs.
 
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Gratz!
Also that should be amber charm of balance ( 11/5 fhr ), not coral.

I never did run LK. Maybe I should have, its too late now.
 
Yeah, I got an 11 coral one too, just mistyped L instead of C :3

LK is pretty boring, I won't lie. LK and I sorta have a history though. Before I had any gear for my barb, it was the only place to find hr's. Got my first HoTO there, which I was thrilled about. Now unless I have reasons to run other places, I get all my HR's there. I have an insane map in which I average ~23s per run, which is way faster than trav for HR's. That plus jewels plus pgems and some nice charms makes it a better target
 
Nice going with LK and very lucky finds for such a short investment of time! I agree with you Daz that LK is superior, but I'm perhaps a bit biased since I've had pretty much the same experience you have. 500ish runs with maybe an um to show for it. This vs maybe 5k LK runs with usual 4-5 Surs on /p7-8. On the other hand I think also a lot of people don't know how to play Trav properly, me included. I get nervous of missing stuff on the ground and just don't have a barb that can run it in 35s or whatever it is scrcrw is doing, because I remember his post which looked something like "Cham, Jah, Jah, Jah ,Jah Jah, Ber, Ber Ber..." etc. and finishing of RW Grail with Last wish.

Of course the killing monster is fun + gives exp stuff is another reason to consider Trav over Lk, or just for the variation.


Edit: OF course there where lots of Lo's Ohms Vex Gul to go with those Surs
 
If we compare non-barb character (except sorc) Travincal vs LK, then LK is clear winner. However decent barb and sorc in Travincal vs LK, things are not one-sided anymore. Since LK takes much less time than Travincal, you will surely get more HR-s there than in Travincal. However keep in mind that in Trav you can get Jah and Cham as great trade fooders if nothing else. Another decent advantage of Travincal over LK is decent possibility to get unique stuff, from amulets to Reapers, got more than 10 Ormuses there. No top-tier items, but you can always get something ethereal, 15 dr verdungo, lots of string of ears, Tal's amulet (got 3 of them) etc... But best unique advantage are Jewels. Every few hundred runs you get one. Right now I have 36 Travincal jewels + traded one and socketed two, that makes around 40 total, something I never got in LK in my career. 5/-5 are valuable and can be traded good.
Another advantage of Travincal is, ofc, experience. Leveled few of my barbs there, two of them up to 94, and with one I go for 95 now.

Everything else goes in favor of LK cause it's faster and easier area to run, however if I must decide winner here, I would definitely go for Travincal for all mentioned reasons + don't get me wrong, you do get bunch of gems, charms and jewels there with all that.

Decent Travincal runner is... don't know how people see it here, but for me anything below 45 seconds is decent enough, and that is not hard to get. To be under 40, you need to have fantastic map and really know what ur doing. My personal best average was 34 seconds, but can't run that way for few hours, average on few hours long is something like 40, what is still very fast. That is something I call relaxed playing actually. Scrcrw has around 30 seconds, but I saw he doesn't pick up gems, so I would say that 35 is something like near fastest you can get if you plan to pick several things up. Don't know how many people can run below 40 seconds for a longer time anyway. Go under 45 and ur good, for faster times you need to specialize in speed + no mistakes + fantastic map. Best possible map is probably most important thing to get, my map is not good as Fabians GF map or Scrcrw's map, but I don't care about to be few seconds faster + rerolling is annoying. But if you want to be fast, you can spend some time rerolling to get near perfect map, that WILL influence your running time a lot.
 
I have a pretty excellent map I think. Maybe I'll upload a video later on and get your opinions. I just have had really crummy luck, and my biggest goal was enigma, so I chose LK. Most of my future HR's will likely come from Trav, since Enigma was one of the last pieces my barb needed to really shine
 
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