Spear WW barb

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Amsoly

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Spear WW barb

Hi everyone-
I've always had a fetish with the man-catcher (elite brandistock). It's a sexy weapon, looks sweet in my opinion. I first used one when back in 1.09 i made my ww/throw pvp barb- i thought of it myself, then saw others using it later :).

Anyways i was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how effective the weapon may be in nightmare (i just restarted...so yeah i dont know that i'm ready to take on hell quite yet). I can probably get my hands on one with 200+ ed and some IAS (need 40 to reach last ww breakpoint- why i love this weapon). I figured that with the ww build that everyone knows (ww, weapon mastery, BO, shout), along with a healthy (very healthy) amount of crushing blow, along with open wounds, I may be able to pull this character off.

For my weapon choices, my "dream" mancatcher, is probably either the perfect rare weapon, or a fury mancatcher. 209% ed is kind of weak, but all the other mods rock, and with that and duress i get 99% open wounds, which can be fairly helpful. Anyways I'm quite bored and decided to talk to the anonymous masses about my next character "idea."

Peace
 
I used one to mess around with a honor man-catcher in cow games with my zealot back in 1.09.
Since cow games got way to easy for me back then. Ya the weapon looks really cool as well. The resons why I used it was because of its range 5, speed, and damage. I wish it had 6 socts tho, I was only able to get a 5fps zeal, and also wish the woman that I knew online did not pick on me so much. Lines like "Hey Bri could I barrow that thing, I am going on a date tonight." Where a little to much.

Rune words that could work are: Call to arms, and Hand of Justice.
 
i have a decent rare mancatcher. 245 ed maybe?, +max dmg and ar based on level, and some other mods, some pretty decent, like +2 warcries maybe? i think the required level is around 55. i dont think it has ias though, so you wouldnt be able to hit the fastest breakpoint :/ but let me know if you'd need.
 
xpumafangx said:
Rune words that could work are: Call to arms, and Hand of Justice.
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What about Eternity... it has extra CB on it and slows target 33%. Personally I'd pick between that and HoJ. The freezes target would be immensly helpful on crowds. Eternity is indestructible and has revives on it as well so I'd lean that way.

Also, don't forget about the Safety craft... the automods aren't fantastic but it's a free shot at a rare.

Lastly, in these fast hitting builds there's no reason to have 100% Open wounds since you'll be hitting your targets more than once per 8 seconds the modest 33% that Duress offers should be plenty. It's not as important as maxing Crushing blow.
 
ah thanks for pointing out the safety craft- hadn't even thought of that. hand of justice would be awesome, except it comes up 7% short for the ww breakpoint, unless it's -53 in the more recent restults. anyways the main key for me using the mancatcher is because of the ease of reaching the beautiful last ww BP, and just to look different instead of all the 'usual' characters you see running around.

Nice sounding mancatcher, but ill have to pass it up since it doesnt have 20 ias or 2 sockets ;)

and i looked at eternity, it is an incredible recipe except that it lacks IAS, which is crucial for a ww barb
 
Revised Thought on the spear ww

OK- Since I am very poor, (very poor), I decided to actually turn this ww'er into a CB specialist. Note: This is all theory as of right now so stick with me...

Skills-
20 WW
20 Spear Mastery
20 BO
20 Shout
-Typical WW Build-

now looking back through posts, I see people speaking of CB with WW, and it making it very effective. Combining those discussions with the recent WW fpa and walkspeed 'discoveries' I decided that my barb can actually use cheaper gear, and possibly become more effective...

Weapon-
"Fury" Mancatcher (need alot of work for this)
"Duress" Loricated Mail (lowest str required heavy armor)
Guillaume's Face
Ravenfrost
Highlord's Ammy
Ring 2- unsure - manald or rare mana leech (if they exist can't recall)
T-Gods or String
Goblin Toes
Blood crafted gloves


With this setup, my Barb will have 85% crushing blow and a nice 99% open wounds. Now I just need to get some items together (could be a while) and get going with leveling. Anyways if or when i finish this character ill let everyone know how it turned out.

Ams
 
i feel that fury will be more expensive for you than it would be worth. it's a bit difficult just coming into the game to get the runes/weapon required to make it. there are many other good runewords, and i recommend you take a look at some before you decide for sure on fury.
 
if ur gonna pvp around when ur bored u might want to consider putting points into inc. skill. its essensial that u ahve dr as well so id switch to shaft when dueling. i had a pike barb (pikeachu lol) in 09 patch and he did fairly well (cept other barbs owned me big time) the 5 range let me hit sorcs with ease
also: nor is right. if ur very very poor then fury wont be an option for u, its not even an option for me yet :P look at other rune words that u can work with, theres pretty good ones out there
 
I do not plan on playing PvP with a barb as i find BvB dueling to be a contest of who has more time ot waste, and for general pvp i've always preferred the sorc ever since 1.04. As to making him a titan barb, I don't like the idea of being extremely fragile, and the killing power of this build will be the amount of hits per ww i get with a huge % of crushing blow and open wounds.

As for fury being expensive for what it is- i agree entirely, but that's the only guarantee of getting the last breakpoint from a weapon with decent damage, i would much rather have a rare with 40 IAS, 400% ed, 2 sockets, and whatnot, but i KNOW i can get good mods on fury, mainly ITD and open wounds. As for other runewords, that is the only runeword, other than wind and CTA (which im not sure yet) that gives the needed 40% IAS to reach the last breakpoint. I might look into call to arms- but after looking at it, it gives 40-80% more ED, while sacrificing deadly strike, open wounds, and ITD. The +skills is nice (i know the war cries dont get +891341 for barbs or whatever) and the MF is ok, but for an IST and an OHM, i would rather save them for trading for Fury.
 
well.. it looks like u have ur heart set on fury which isnt a bad thing. cta is nice too. remember to have some warcry charms along with ur barb (mine had 10 and had about 5k life after bo) i agree with u not to make ur barb a titan barb because they are damage intollerant, if u dont have ur heart set on that guiallames then try a gaze, the leech(s) and dr is very impressive and ull notice a huge difference when using it. im pretty sure mana leech rings do spawn beause ive seen trades in the trade channels where people are trading duel leech rings. good luck with ur barb!
 
many thanks for all the replies, thank you for the goodluck- im not entirely set on Guillaume's face, but if my killing speed is greatly reduced by removing it, then it is definately going too have to stay :)

Amsoly
 
I just recently over the last 2 days was trying out a CB setup for my conc barb and brand new ww barb. On the conc barb, he used duress and gores and heaven's light scepter to bring him up to 63% CB. I tried adding Gillaumies face into the mix, but the arreats turned out to be way better overall. He held his own almost as much as when I use ebotd zerker with 2.5k vs 6.5k dmg.

As for my ww barb, he's using a normal hone sundan triple shaeled to hit the last bp with 45% CB built in, then gores for 60% CB. I also tried Gillaumies face on him too, to bring it up to near 100%CB. Once again, the stats on arreats owned gillaumies. With only 1k ww dmg, he's made it into hell. He creams everything in nm, but he's starting to have problems with hell monsters a bit. I think it's the mana leech and the fact he's still using sigon's armor, that's holding him back mostly. But I do think the measly 1k dmg hurts him for the leech and for the kill, since CB won't ever kill a monster on its own.
 
ah i see, well i have neither guillaume's or arreats at this point- i would use hone sundan, except it's so damn ugly. :)
 
other options besides fury

I'm a bit curious why no one has mentioned the two new unique spears.
Arioc's needle has a range of 4 (I think) but with 50% deadly strike and ITD it looks like it might work for you.
Also there is viperfork unique mancatcher. With a possible 240% enhanced damage and 50IAS built in, you could socket it with an enhanced damage jewel and still reach the breakpoint right? that looks like a lot more than 209% ed, but you do lose the other fury mods. Anyway, hope that helped.
 
IMO there are only 2 ideal ww weapon setups, one is gpa the other dual botd,

why not the gs?(gpa & gs have same avg damage)
well disadv 1. crappy minimum damage
disadv 2. the worst actually is the ridiculous dexterity requirement(even with minus 20% reqrmnt on botd),needs the same base dex as axe shield barb with +dex items for max block.

the gpa & the dual zerk barbs can afford to leave dex at base,and have high life & strength with + attack rating items.

I am not stopping here, i wanna find out which barb is better for max killing dual zerk or gpa,from the posts it seems like gpa, though the dual zerk might fare better against bosses and close formation packs,but gpa is the ultimate mob killer I guess. :spy:
 
Eth BoTD Great Poleaxe + Might Merc + Duress Armor + Highlords Wrath

= 10k whirlwind damage (Around 350 strength) and total obliteration of most monsters/bosses in seconds.
 
JazzTrumpetPlayer said:
I'm a bit curious why no one has mentioned the two new unique spears.
Arioc's needle has a range of 4 (I think) but with 50% deadly strike and ITD it looks like it might work for you.
Also there is viperfork unique mancatcher. With a possible 240% enhanced damage and 50IAS built in, you could socket it with an enhanced damage jewel and still reach the breakpoint right? that looks like a lot more than 209% ed, but you do lose the other fury mods. Anyway, hope that helped.
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I tried them both with a spear barb. They suck. The damage is too low. The dex requirements are steep. Give me a Bonehew/TombReaver any day.
Also the poison explosion on the Viper is way annoying, keeps screwing up horking.
Finally the most annoying feature was the low durability. I had go back to town 2-3 times each pit run just to repair weapon. I ended up switching back to a non-upgraded non-eth low ed Hone Sundan - was much better.
Polearms have 3.5 times the durability then spears.

Eth Ariocs is a good merc weapon though (assuming deadly strike works).
 
The unique mancatcher might work, and i am stuck on mancatchers. Period and end. I don't want to play a cookie cutter spear barb, the only pole-barb i ever want to play is an eth GT BOTD barb, and right now im too poor to do that. So basically the damage might 'suck' on these weapons, but im relying (maybe too much) on CB.
 
Amsoly said:
The unique mancatcher might work, and i am stuck on mancatchers. Period and end. I don't want to play a cookie cutter spear barb, the only pole-barb i ever want to play is an eth GT BOTD barb, and right now im too poor to do that. So basically the damage might 'suck' on these weapons, but im relying (maybe too much) on CB.
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There is some aesthetic appeal to the Viperfork yes. In Forums ppl used to say to me "wtf you using your weapon is biggest I have ever seen!" :worship:
It is so long it reaches up onto the buttons.
Yeah play it for while until it screws up your horking for the last time, or you want to kill anything in non-solo games, or you get sick of tp back for repair even before your Todesfaelle level 10 enchant wears off.
And consider even 1H weapons like upgraded Butchers does more damage.. :rant:

I'm just blowing off steam cause my spear barb was so lame. :hanky:

It will certainly work well in NM as you requested, but the level req is 71. You should be onto Hell by then.

If you want a free Viperfork, just pop by the Larzuk after I've been by.
 
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