Rune to lower rune trades

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Merick1

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Rune to lower rune trades

First of all, this post only applies to the ladder.

Why does an ist trade for mal+um? mal+um cannot make an ist. mal+um is 3/4th of an ist. mal+mal is exactly what an ist is, so why don't they have the same value? Why does trading a rune for a lower one entitle the person with the lower runes to one-fourth the value of the higher rune? Is it just a convience charge? If that's the case why isn't something added in a +3 cold skill ammy for a +3 fire skill ammy trade? Or a blizz for a meteor ormus (assuming they are equally sought after).
 
I think its supply and demand- Ums are more demanded than mals, but mals are higher. The east price guide says that mal=1.5 um which I think is what most are willing to pay.
 
There's a difference between rune-rune trades, and ammy-ammy.

Yes, 2xMal does theoretically equal an Ist, but if I had 2 Mals, why would I trade for your Ist? Couldn't I instead merge my two Mals up and get my own Ist? If 2 Mals did equal an Ist (economy-wise), then as an owner of 2 Mals, I would have these options:

- Merge my two mals up, and get myself an Ist (this assumes I wanted an Ist)
- Trade my two mals off to someone else, and run the risk of getting a duped Ist, as well as going through the effort of finding someone who wants to downgrade some runes (again, this assumes I wanted an Ist)
- Keep my two Mals (this assumes I didn't want an Ist)

The problem is that you can't downgrade runes, but you can upgrade them (which is something you can't do with amulets, by the way).

If someone wants to downgrade their higher runes, they need to give the people with the lower runes some incentive, otherwise there's nothing stopping the people with the lower runes just merging them up by themselves.

Also, certain runes are more valuable than other ones. Ums and Ists generally go for more than things like Puls, Mals or Guls. Technically, a Gul equals 2xIsts, yet 2xIsts are way more useful than a single Gul rune. Maybe Blizzard should have put the "All Resist" and "Magic Find" runes further up the chain abit or something.


Edit: I thought I'd better clarify why I made mention of the "this assumes I wanted an Ist" and "this assumes I didn't want an Ist" comments above. Let's say I had an Ist, and I wanted to get 2 Mals for it. First, I would need to find someone that had 2 Mals.

The main problem with this, is that anyone with 2 Mals who wants an Ist would have already merged up and made their own. If some people haven't done this already, then it means they would prefer to have the 2 Mals, and as such wouldn't do the trade with me anyway.
 
Never really thought of it that way, Orphan.

But the person with two mals would also need a standard amethyst. Most people don't keep these in stock, and finding one could be a huge pain. Why isn't this enough to encourage people with two mals to trade them for an ist?
 
What we do know about now, is that an Ist = Mal + Um, and that normal amethysts are worthless (and as such, no-one keeps them, therefore the scarcity of them increases).

What we need to understand though, is that normal amethysts are worthless in the current economy because an Ist = Mal + Um. By this, I mean people have no reason to keep them, since they have little to no incentive to merge up 2 Mals to an Ist.

On the other hand, if an Ist = Mal + Mal, normal amethysts would probably be worth keeping, and as such more people might have them. If the economy was set so that 2Mal = Ist, more people would have the incentive to merge 2 Mals up to an Ist, since it would be little to no loss for them (all it costs is a normal amethyst).
 
It's supply and demand, no matter how you look at it. There is only 1 things you can be sure of:

A higher rune would never exceed the value of 2 lower runes (assuming 2 lower runes to cube up to the higher rune).

The reason is that you can make an arbitrage if this is the case (get 2 lower runes, cube up, then get 2 lower runes with some profit, repeat).
 
As stated. The economy doesn't follow the cube recipes, it follows demand. Mal is practically worth Ist now because of this, it's in so many runewords and you guys are a tiny bit behind ;) you can now buy Ist on East for Mal Pul. Fast. But try going the other way and getting change for your Ist... not as easy, even though you're "technically" losing money in the process. It's bizzare, but you can use it to your advantage by selling an organ set, for example, for Mal Pul, 2 Um Pul, etc. Then if you need higher runes, make change for people.
 
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