My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclosed)

[XtremeTiramisu]

My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclosed)

Hello:

After countless hours of reading and studying various strategy guides and infos, I've finally came up with this particular Frenzy build:


Equipment:
Highlord Amulet
200%ED 6%ll Arreat (May get BER'ed)
AP Fortitude or AP COH (15%ED)
Beast "Ettin" Axe (15%ED Ettin.)
Eth Death "Ettin" Axe (15%ED Eth Ettin.)
10-15-10 Dracul's
40-15 Verdungo's
2x 20Dex Raven Frost
200%ED Goreriders

Total % of Life Leech - 10%+6% = 16% (Dracul's & Arreat) or 10%+6%+8% = 24% (*COH)
Total % of Mana Leech - 7% (Eth Death)
Total % Chance of Crushing Blow? - 15%+20%+50% = 85%! (Gore & Beast & Death)
Total % Chance of Deadly Strike? - 15%+34.5%+46% = 95.5%! (Gore & Highlord & Death)
*Critical Strike needs to be calculated in with Deadly Strike and here is the formula and detail calculation results:
=CS + (DS/100)*(100-CS)
=22% + (95.5/100)*78%
=22% + 74.49%
=96.49% !!
Total % Chance of Open Wounds? - 10%+25%+25% = 60%! (Gore & Dracul's & Beast)


Have you noticed that the choice of Ettin axes are highlighted in the above?
At first, my plan was to go with the popular suggested and used Berserker axe. However, according to the weapon speed calculator v2.0, level 9 Fanatacism aura and 40%IAS from the Beast runeword will also allow the choice of an Ettin axe with its +10 base weapon speed to reach max 5 frame speed.

Ettin axe weapon speed calculation results:
*Pay attention to weapon IAS that's needed to acheive 5 frame

Berserker axe weapon speed calculation results:
*Pay attention to weapon IAS that's needed to acheive 5 frame

There you've noticed two different weapon IAS is needed for an Ettin or Berserker axe to acheive max 5 frame attack speed. The 20% IAS is gained from the Highlord. The Beast runeword has 40%IAS so I figured its IAS is well enough to cover both Berserker axe and even the slower Ettin axe to reach 5 frame attack speed. Since Ettin axe has the highest average damage in the elite axe class, I chose the Ettin over Berserker becouse both axes are capable of reaching 5 frame attack speed, thanks to Beast.

However, I would like to confirm the weapon speed calculation results with you guys becouse I'm not 100% positive sure this weapon speed calculator v2.0 is entirely accurate.

Please share your thoughts on the weapon speed calculations I've done.

Much appreaciated,
XT

 

[USUD]

Re: My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclose

Ettin axe has reach of 2, while BA has reach of 3. For a couple of dmg points - not worth. My advice - strongly consider BA.

 

[Spankeh]

Re: My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclose

1. Your calculations are correct.
2. Yes you will hit 5fpa with that Ettin and item combo.
3. Yes Ettin Axes are the highest average damaging single handed axe in the game.
4. Range 2 compared to Berserker Axes' range 3 has no negative affects for a Frenzier.
5. Unlike WW, so trade values are massively affected for Ettin
6. Much easier to get 5 socks on an Ettin, than a Berserker Axe.
7. Much easier to find Ettin Axes dropping/lying around.
8. Once Holy Freezed or Decrepified, or both, you will swing a lot slower compared to the Berserker Axe combo.

Ettin axe has reach of 2, while BA has reach of 3.

As mentioned above, its irrevelant for a Frenzier.

For a couple of dmg points - not worth.

Once bonuses, like aura's, masteries, and synergies are factored in, the difference in output is getting close to 200+ damage points.

My advice - strongly consider BA.

I find that because trade values is an important part of this game, this has some weight to it that cant be ignored, but if you build each char up to its maximum perfomance, and leave them fully equipped, and not sell items off to build new characters, then the Ettin Axe combo will do VERY well in your (and mine) never ending quest to max out a Frenziers damage output.

GGHF :thumbsup:

PS. Highest average damage single handed weapon in the game is the Legendary Mallet.
I'm still working on a "best weapon combo" for a Frenzier to utilise this magnificent weapon.

 

[XtremeTiramisu]

Re: My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclose

Thanks for the inputs guys.
Very interesting debates on weapon's range and very well response from Spankeh.
Spankeh, can you elaborate more why the extra range from BA is irrevelent for a frenzier? Or is there still a difference technically?
Does the extra range from BA lets you reach out to your enemies faster when attack?
If so, I wouldn't want to sacrifice the range for slightly more damage. What I'm thinking is if the distance between my Frenzier and the enemies is slightly greater than the shorter ranged Ettin during attack, wouldn't that mean faster reach out on enemies with safer distance?

Thanks,
XT

 

[shmEk]

Re: My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclose

Excellent thread and loved Spankeh's comments and his Frenzy guide too.

Seems to me the reason is for the distance being negligible is because you are up against whatever and that distance of one isn't going to see an affect at the speeds you move at with frenzy. Range for wirlwind is concern, and thus not frenzy if I follow correctly.

 

[XtremeTiramisu]

Re: My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclose

Beast/Death Frenzy Barb Build Revised:

Equipment:

Angelic Amulet
200%ED 6%ll Arreat (BER)
AP Fortitude (15%ED)
Beast "Berserker" Axe (Best if 15%ED)
Eth Death "Berserker" Axe (Best if 15%ED)
10-15-10 Dracul's
40-15 Verdungo's
1x 20Dex Raven Frost
1x Angelic Ring
200%ED Goreriders

Total % of Life Leech: 10%+6% = 16% (Dracul's & Arreat)
Total % of Mana Leech: 7% (Eth Death)
Total % Chance of Crushing Blow: 15%+20%+50% = 85%! (Gore & Beast & Death)
Total % Chance of Deadly Strike: 15%+45% = 60% at char lvl 90 (Gore & Death)
*Critical Strike needs to be calculated in with Deadly Strike and here is the formula and detail calculation results at Char lvl 90:
=CS + (DS/100)*(100-CS)
=22% + (60/100)*78%
=22% + 46.8%
=68.8%
Total % Chance of Open Wounds: 10%+25%+25% = 60%! (Gore & Dracul's & Beast)


Berserker axe weapon speed calculation results:
*Pay attention to weapon IAS and equip IAS that's needed to acheive 5 frame

There you've noticed that I've 0% IAS gain from the equipment and 5 frame can still be easily acheived, thanks to Beast/Death "Berserker Axe" combo. In this revision, it will open up more options in choosing an amulet other than Highlord for its 20%IAS and what to be socketed in a perfect Arreat without the necessity of an 15 IAS jewel.

The goodness about Angelic Amulet + Ring combo is that it gives you more than 4x AR than a perf 250AR/20Dex Ravenfrost (very expensive indeed). Not only have you gained 4x more AR than a perfect Ravenfrost, you also gain a whooping 75 life and 10 dex bonus for using partial set! So technically, the real minor downside is that you lose 10 dex from equiping a second 20Dex raven but the overall gains are clearly more to cover the loss :thumbup:

 

[Felix]

Re: My Final Frenzy Barb Build: Is Max 5 Frame IAS Accomplished? (Screen Shot Enclose

Excellent thread and loved Spankeh's comments and his Frenzy guide too.

Seems to me the reason is for the distance being negligible is because you are up against whatever and that distance of one isn't going to see an affect at the speeds you move at with frenzy. Range for wirlwind is concern, and thus not frenzy if I follow correctly.

For Frenzy you will automatically move as close as you need to hit, so it doesn't matter really. But for whirl the range you reach out does matter since you are aiming yourself. This axe combo is mostly used for a pvp barb using whirl when duelling casters. So reselling them will be very hard as the PvP players more or less make up the whole potential market of buyers. And they would want the runewords in Beserker axes.

Edit: I came back to this thread and thought it was BotD/Beast combo. Death is not a preferred whirl weapon in duels as it is too slow for whirl, which cannot be remedied.