Marrowalk, bm or gm

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ninamysm

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Marrowalk, bm or gm

I just hit 91, I am only in the bone tree, I just maxed out my synergies, and here is what is going on.

My spear damage with BC is lvl 41.
Avg damge= 4300~

I do not use marrowalks because I think it was a bug, and when you exploit a bug , It is like exploiting a bug that can cause duping, it is the same thing. So personally I think they are bm.

I need to hit 94 to get CG/master/summon resists

If I rebuilt using marrowalks, I would save 20 points in bone prison, meaning my build would be complete in the 80's.

Atm I use rare boots, grim spurs, they have FHR , nice str and resists.

I personally think 4300~ magic damage is nice in pvp, but what are the marrowalk users doing?

If I was to remake, would my spear damage be like, 5500 ~? And is it worth to lose bone prison? Prison really helps vs pallys/barbs/sins.

So what do you think? What spear damage are you guys doing, BTW I am 125%FCR.

Thank you guys,
Cheers
 
Were I to re-equip my old marrow necro, his spear would do about 5500-5700..

Personally, I guess I think using marrow's for a bonemancer is bm.. But then again, I have nothing against people who use them with summon/bone hybrids to boost spirit damage.. Seems kinda strange, I know :p
 
I use marrows on my summoner , but that's mainly because of the +2 skeleton mastery. Ofcourse the bonus to bone armor , but if it didn't work like that , I would still use marrows. And just to put a point in bone prison to cancel out the bug , is stupid too.

For pvp boners , people should decide for themselves if they want to use this bug or not. Lots and lots of rabies druids use the carrionwind "synergie" aswell.
 
Eh, bm, gm, does it matter? Not as if one person's opinion can influence others on their gear choices. Also it's kinda hypocritical that you group marrows and duping process in the bm category while you, supposedly gm, use grim spurs, a dupe.

Marrows add around 100-200 pvp damage, which is negligible. The major appeal is that you can get done with your build much quicker. Personally, I don't like to kill the same monsters a thousand time over just to max all the bone synergies, and still do less damage, when I could just slap on some boots.
 
Pallidum said:
Eh, bm, gm, does it matter? Not as if one person's opinion can influence others on their gear choices. Also it's kinda hypocritical that you group marrows and duping process in the bm category while you, supposedly gm, use grim spurs, a dupe.

Marrows add around 100-200 pvp damage, which is negligible. The major appeal is that you can get done with your build much quicker. Personally, I don't like to kill the same monsters a thousand time over just to max all the bone synergies, and still do less damage, when I could just slap on some boots.
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Well a lvl 20 or a lvl 33 synergie will add quite some more then a mere 200 dmg.

Even with "only" 10 +skills , with all maxed synergies (no marrows) you do 2600 dmg (I only took max dmg). If you use marrow's instead of the 20 points into Bprison you do 2958 dmg. Keep in mind this is only with 10 +skills. For pvp you have at least +18 to +20 skills. With 20 +skills it's 4250 and 4836 dmg.

Then there's the fact marrow's give you a higher bone armor aswell.
 
Pallidum said:
Also it's kinda hypocritical that you group marrows and duping process in the bm category while you, supposedly gm, use grim spurs, a dupe.
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Not to be mean, but I think it is too late in the game to play the "I am elite because I boycott dupes"

Grim spurs is not "bugged" which is what I am saying is BM, any well known dueling clan will alow you to use this item, or any other "duped item". But is it ok to say "man that griz pally with every socket in his set has ber/jah in it", he is not duped? It goes both ways imo. I personally love the state of d2 atm, no 4 sock valors, or king jewels, these boots are not "overpowering" they have a defense of 8. Yes they are duped, but trust me I would rather live with dupes, then the previous items that have emerged on Useast in my time playing. Just to name a few.

Ith items
4 sock valor
4 sock Ss
2 sock .9 bug shako
2 sock .8 shako
havoc jewels
king jewels
bugged contricting ring


100-200? I forget the pvp penalty is it 1/4 or 1/6?

Not to be mean, I respect your post, and your right in some ways, But it also pisses me off, because I know alot of well respected people here, and I know what they do online, and it is anything but clean.

Mucho respect to all of you who responded, I am taking heed to your advice, and am gonna settle on my "clean" build. Ty guys.


Cheers
 
I play HC, so there are no such thing as pvp necros, only PK necros. So i say whether u wear a marrowalk or not, you are a BMing Haxxxxoooorrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ninamysm said:
Not to be mean, but I think it is too late in the game to play the "I am elite because I boycott dupes"

Grim spurs is not "bugged" which is what I am saying is BM, any well known dueling clan will alow you to use this item, or any other "duped item". But is it ok to say "man that griz pally with every socket in his set has ber/jah in it", he is not duped? It goes both ways imo. I personally love the state of d2 atm, no 4 sock valors, or king jewels, these boots are not "overpowering" they have a defense of 8. Yes they are duped, but trust me I would rather live with dupes, then the previous items that have emerged on Useast in my time playing. Just to name a few.

Ith items
4 sock valor
4 sock Ss
2 sock .9 bug shako
2 sock .8 shako
havoc jewels
king jewels
bugged contricting ring


100-200? I forget the pvp penalty is it 1/4 or 1/6?

Not to be mean, I respect your post, and your right in some ways, But it also pisses me off, because I know alot of well respected people here, and I know what they do online, and it is anything but clean.

Mucho respect to all of you who responded, I am taking heed to your advice, and am gonna settle on my "clean" build. Ty guys.


Cheers
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None taken, its 1/6th damage now. I said about 200 pvp damage because i've built a "legit" necro before, and with lv 43 skill deals about 715 pvp damage. With the marrows and the same skill level, the damage output is around 950. Thats a little over 200 in difference.

Also marrows is not a "bugged" item in the sense that Blizzard put thim in there. In all of the examples you posted, all were hacked by individuals on open bnet and transported unto the realms. Blizzard did not put them in.

I don't have an issue with people that uses marrows or dupes like 320s, spurs, 290s, 20/5s etc., cause Blizzard put them in. They are not hacked items. What bothers me are fanatics/purists/scum that shun "buggy items" and dupes, take the moral high ground, and condemn others for using them. I know cause I used to be one of those people.
 
Pallidum said:
None taken, its 1/6th damage now. I said about 200 pvp damage because i've built a "legit" necro before, and with lv 43 skill deals about 715 pvp damage. With the marrows and the same skill level, the damage output is around 950. Thats a little over 200 in difference.

Also marrows is not a "bugged" item in the sense that Blizzard put thim in there. In all of the examples you posted, all were hacked by individuals on open bnet and transported unto the realms. Blizzard did not put them in.

I don't have an issue with people that uses marrows or dupes like 320s, spurs, 290s, 20/5s etc., cause Blizzard put them in. They are not hacked items. What bothers me are fanatics/purists/scum that shun "buggy items" and dupes, take the moral high ground, and condemn others for using them. I know cause I used to be one of those people.
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I shun marrows, mainly because i don't abuse so called "bugs" and most necros give it a bad image due to summonlame bug. Also, alot of people find it lame when you're doing 6-7k unblockable magic damage and having like 1.3k bone armor. And besides, if you've got skill, you dont need that extra damage ;) Take pride in making your characters!
 
soulesschild said:
I shun marrows, mainly because i don't abuse so called "bugs" and most necros give it a bad image due to summonlame bug. Also, alot of people find it lame when you're doing 6-7k unblockable magic damage and having like 1.3k bone armor. And besides, if you've got skill, you dont need that extra damage ;) Take pride in making your characters!
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I agree 100% with souless, IMO marrows=bm.
 
I did make and use a totally legit necro before, and I do take pride in making characters. In the end however, I can not justify the time and effort spent in leveling a char, which is tedious, mind numbing work, to the level 90s and then still end up with less damage and protection than a marrow necro. When I build a character seriously, I want to squeeze every bit of life, damage, and efficiency out of every possible way I can think of. Therefore, to spend all that energy and come out with a worse product is simply unacceptable to me. Thats just me. I know people that use marrows for other reasons, ie. they rather duel than leveling, some of them don't have the time, some want to get other skills like summons, etc.

Man, I thought we were over this already. But here it is again, another marrow debate. zzz.....
 
yes marrowalk bug is technically viewed as bm, but my bowzon with wf gets more complaints then my nec using marrows(personally I dont view wf as bm any more since bowzons r no longer overpowered) Every now and again if you own some noob he will moan about you using the bug, but if you didnt use it there would just be some other complaint, probably summit like necros r lame.

So Ime going to have to say that for me marrowalk arent bm :D

(everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this though :/ its a never ending debate)
 
Bm? No. Disturbingly overpowered? Probably.
I don't mind the extra damage so much as the 20 free points to drop into barmor or summons.

Just would like to point out, the best necs I've ever dueled didn't use them. They aren't needed.
 
It all down to personal taste i suppose. I personally don't and wouldn't use it simply because of the fact is that i don't want my char to have any dependancy on this "bug". Like i said on another thread. When Blizz fixes this then there going to be a lot of unhappy players because they have just ruined their char builds because of this.

Just planning for the future i suppose.
 
If everything that people considered BM was banned from duels, meh, then quite a few character builds would not exist at all. Do the words Mind Blast, Fist of Heavens and Bone Prison Noob say anything to you? They are all legit skills of different character classes in the game, but using them a lot in duels is considered BM by many.

Only too many times I've been called names for using these skills (not spamming, just casting once in a while) in duels, and it pisses me of soooo bad.. You'll be dubbed a "prison spammer" even if you succeed in killing your adversary once by casting prison on him/her, hence stopping them dead in their tracks and nailing them with a spear in a pubby duel, even though both sides are equipped with an enigma..

We just have to ignore the flaming, and keep on thinkin' "who was the one who just 0wnzorrd ur azz, biatch?" ;)
 
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