Lilith = Counter Dupe?

[C Squad]

Lilith = Counter Dupe?

Now, we all recognize that pre-1.10 there were so many SoJs populating Bnet realms that it was pretty ridiculous. Older SoJs were easy to spawn and could be duped in mass without any real repercussions. So what did Blizzard do? They included the D Clone and gave incentive for players to sell/get rid of their SoJ masses. I have a sneaking suspicion that Lilith is going to be the incentive to stop the dupe of runes.

In the moster's page it mentions an artifact dropped by Lilith's lover, I assume it's meph's soulstone. On that assumption, the soul stone is normally used to obtain one mid-rare rune per character in hell. What if Lilith was the alternative? What if she was relatively easy to spawn, but nearly impossible to kill by yourself? What if she always dropped a high rune? Think about it, what if it took 3-4 players to kill Lilith, and after they killed her they could never kill her again, but she always dropped a hr. It'd be incentive enough to not dupe hr's since there would be more of them around and pretty much anyone could obtain one with a bit of work, but they'd still be hard enough to obtain to retain their value. Just an idea I had...

 

[Bhruic]

Odd. I assumed the "artefact dropped by her lover" (assuming the page is real) would refer to the anni dropped by dclone.

Bh

 

[Ubiquitous Chaos]

A bit of flawed logic there. Sell a lot of high runes, and *possibly* get one high rune in return?

 

[capnlarge]

The whole "get rid of duped sojs" thing was kinda mootified by the ladder though. It also made it very difficult for ladder characters to get annihiluses.

 

[Bhruic]

It'd be incentive enough to not dupe hr's since there would be more of them around and pretty much anyone could obtain one with a bit of work, but they'd still be hard enough to obtain to retain their value. Just an idea I had...

Speaking of flawed logic... If they retain their value, then they'll be duped. If pretty much anyone could obtain one, then they wouldn't retain their value (people would simply make new chars to farm them).

Bh

 

[Bhruic]

The whole "get rid of duped sojs" thing was kinda mootified by the ladder though. It also made it very difficult for ladder characters to get annihiluses.

Not really, because selling SoJ on non-ladder will still cause him to spawn in ladder games. It's just a matter of being on the right server.

Bh

 

[carrothers]

IIRC, that monster's page you refer to was a hoax. I believe it was created just like Andariel's page, with Andariel's stats and even her name.

The thing you read was most likely a hoax.

 

[Stevebo]

Bhruic has a good point really:

If she is a super monster trigered like in some way then carrying the anni could be a way to trigger her - or selling them. (And anni duping surges)

"she be mixed with the greatest of all the Demons" - Could well be Diable Clone.

Don't know what she could drop - maybe a +2skills charm or some mega non-class-specific ring.


On the other hand maybe she is there to put a stop to hammerdrin botters with her magic absorb. Nothing to do with storyline but a hope none the less.

 

[ChthonVII]

Odd. I assumed the "artefact dropped by her lover" (assuming the page is real) would refer to the anni dropped by dclone.

Bh

I've gotta go w/ that, for the following reasons:
1) the 1.11 promo pictures were Lilith & who? DClone.
2) The "greatest of all the Demons" does not sound like mephisto. But it does sound like... DClone
3) Mephisto's lower body trials off into spine, fog, and entrails too far north for him to be anybody's lover; DClone may be a giant lizard, but he's an intact giant lizard...
4) Which one of the prime evils looks, well, horny to you? I thought so.... (apologies for the pun )

 

[C Squad]

A bit of flawed logic there. Sell a lot of high runes, and *possibly* get one high rune in return?

What are you talking about...? That's no where in my post.

 

[C Squad]

Speaking of flawed logic... If they retain their value, then they'll be duped. If pretty much anyone could obtain one, then they wouldn't retain their value (people would simply make new chars to farm them).

Bh

What I meant by that is that it won't take a bot mfing for hours to find one hr, which will then be duped and transmuted to another hr, and then duped again. It will be possible for everyone to get a hr without making them as common and worthless as mid-rare runes.

 

[dang79]

I think, there will always be duping, unless

1. Game coding has become 100% secure

2. Game items have become 100% easy to get

Since 1 is not possible, and neither is 2. Duping will always occur.

Let me explain, as long as any item has any above average value (read HRs), they will be duped to the extent that they still retain a reasonable value, without becoming valueless, as long as the dupers don't go overboard (Like the SOJ mass dupe in the ancient past).

The Dclone event has succeeded in bringing down SOJ numbers only because that mass dupe in the past allowed people to have mule accounts full of SOJs. SOJs are duped now too, just not in such large numbers. Overall there was a decrease in SOJs nos leading to rise in value on NL.

Rune duping will not be stopped by any event, the value of the HR might become higher though. I don't really see how that would help because most of us would assume any HR is duped anyhow, unless something REALLY drastic happened.

Thats just what I think though.

 

[Omikron8]

Diablo, The lord of terror....in bed, RAWR

 

[abel]

The Dclone event has succeeded in bringing down SOJ numbers only because that mass dupe in the past allowed people to have mule accounts full of SOJs. SOJs are duped now too, just not in such large numbers. Overall there was a decrease in SOJs nos leading to rise in value on NL.

And because of this, the number of annis is becoming greater. Unless SOJs are duped on massive scale, eventually the selling of them will dwindle, and what will be left is a large amount of annihilus charms due to people hording the game IPs in order to get a bear's share of charms off each walk.

Then what happens? Probably something to do with all the annihilus charms.. whether it be selling (which would be just silly and repetitive) or just having it in your inventory and there being some % chance for her to spawn when you go through and clear out a certain tomb/area.

I think it'd be hilarious if she utilized that Thieving mod that one of my old d2 books says Lord de Seis had where he'd steal potions from your belt, but instead of stealing your potions, she steals your Anni and you have to fight her in order to get it back + another extra item (random unique item, charm, or maybe even another resists/perm life/skill scroll/potion).

 

[Ubiquitous Chaos]

Nevermind, misread it before. Still some flawed logic anyway. A few (even a few hundred or a few-thousand) high runes popping up for every couple groups of players still wouldn't provide any reason for dupers to stop duping. Why would a couple runes compare to being able to get hundreds upon hundreds quick and easy?

 

[C Squad]

Nevermind, misread it before. Still some flawed logic anyway. A few (even a few hundred or a few-thousand) high runes popping up for every couple groups of players still wouldn't provide any reason for dupers to stop duping. Why would a couple runes compare to being able to get hundreds upon hundreds quick and easy?

People would be less inclined to trade for them if they have the possiblity of finding one themselves. No trade = duping not as profitable.

 

[AnimeCraze]

Agreed. If you can get a HR every 30 minutes, why would you go to eBay or whatever to buy it? Of course, absolutely everyone will have their Enigma and Call to Arms.

 

[C Squad]

Agreed. If you can get a HR every 30 minutes, why would you go to eBay or whatever to buy it? Of course, absolutely everyone will have their Enigma and Call to Arms.

Well, not to that extreme, but people would definately farm them.

 

[Bert]

Well, not to that extreme, but people would definately farm them.

Yes it will be, it's already the case.

Almost everybody has an enigma.

Anyway, making it easier to get HR will stop the duping of runes 'cause why you need a dupe if you can farm Lilith for some day's an have all the runes you need.

The only thing that will go up in price are good 3 soc armor's, making that those items will be duped...

Ofcourse if you can find Jah and Ber every 10 hours playing or so, one could make an Enigma in lower armors because, eventualy they find a legit AP 15 ed or whatever they need.

If this is a good thing I don't know.

Prices will drop again.

Maybe they can let Lilith drop a HR but with a verry high chance to drop Vex and a verry low to drop Zod.

Bliz should also enable ppl to see if item or runes are duped.


Bert

 

[Superhal]

imho, it's pointless to fight duping. they'll always find a way, and any attempt to stop them will hinder all players, not just them.