FoH & Holy Shock Question

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Shadax

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FoH & Holy Shock Question

Here's the deal. Let's say I have a paladin that has no points in either Holy Shock or FoH. I have +24 to skills from items and charms and I have 22 skills left over to distribute between Holy Shock and FoH. What would be the best way to divide the 22 point to achieve maximun lightning damage? If anyone could help me with this it would be much appreciated, thanks.
 
Guessing add 20 points to holy shock. 140% more damage to fist of heavens. Then 2 points to fist of heavens Then you will have your 24 to skills, comes out as 26 fist of heavens. with the 20 from holy shock. Now that is a good deal. Since if you where going with out the plus 24 to all skills you would need 4 skill point spent to get around the same effect. Also plus to skills items does not help the 7% more damage you would get. Even if you got to level 20 fist of heavens you are getting 1620-1740. If I new the damage of level 26 fist of heavens I would have told you but it will be more then the number I just said.
 
I still think it is the general consensus that a ratio of FoH to Holy Shock would give the most damage possible. With these numbers can anyone figure it out? 1 point in FoH Effectively makes it lvl 25. Should I max FoH and put 2 into Holy Freeze? Max Holy Freeze like the above poster said and put 2 into FoH? Or does someone know of a ratio that would require a certain amount in both skills to obtain higher damage? I would really appreciate if someone could help me to figure out the most damage possible combination with these numbers.
 
Meh there was a post a long while back that talked about when its time to start going to holy shock at a certain level if you have a certain amount left to use. Search for it... but I dont know what a good keyword would be ;P

-wvx

EDIT: *oh yeah* use a skill calculator... I aint gonna post the one I know cause it has d2 items for sale as well - so PM me and ill let you know if you dotn know what im talkin about.
 
+24 skills, 20 in Holy Shock, and 2 in Fist of the Heavens gets you 2364-2484 lightning damage

+24 skills, 10 in Holy Shock, and 12 in Fist of the Heavens gets you 2745-2830 lightning damage (optimal)


BTW in this case, putting 20 in FOH and 2 in Holy Shock gets you 2433-2490 lightning damage, which is more lightning damage than the first allocation.
 
chippy's calculator is not really accurate when it comes to lightning damage. the equations get a bit arwy.

But 10 in on and 12 in the other sounds like it should be the most you can pull 11 and 11 will be quite close to that same amount. The +24 skill points is impressive by the way I never see that many but then again I play untwinked and in single player.
 
Considering you'd probably want to use FoH, one point in conviction would give slvl 25 (max), rest should be 10 FoH and 11 Holy Shock (or 10-12 if you already have conviction).

However, keep in mind that you can use holy shock as your combat aura (max it, at slvl 44 it does an average damage of maybe 4k) This way you have 2 points left over to put in auxiliaries or Zeal (best combat skill for holy shock)

or you can put your points as 11 vigor and 11 blessed aim. Your 24+ skills will boost your blessed hammer and concentration both to slvl 25. Sounds like a decent damaging route to me
 
The character is actually a V/T. The +24 is to Combat Skills, 10 from charms. I have +12 skills from gear and anni so I had to put 13 into conviction to get it to 25. After maxing Holy Shield, Smite, and Fanatisim, I was left with 22 skills points, thanks for the help guys. Looks like it's gonna be 10 and 12.
 
Shadax said:
The character is actually a V/T. The +24 is to Combat Skills, 10 from charms. I have +12 skills from gear and anni so I had to put 13 into conviction to get it to 25. After maxing Holy Shield, Smite, and Fanatisim, I was left with 22 skills points, thanks for the help guys. Looks like it's gonna be 10 and 12.
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You don't need lvl 25 conv. on a V/T. It's better to have higher light damage from FOH. More than 1 point in conv. is a waste for a V/T.
 
This is not true at all. Without conviction, you can hardly deal damage to anyone with half a brain using FoH. It also screws up the whole idea of people needing to stack lightning resist to beat you..This is the entire reason for FoH on a v/t, to force others to use lightning res equipment...
 
Shadax said:
This is not true at all. Without conviction, you can hardly deal damage to anyone with half a brain using FoH. It also screws up the whole idea of people needing to stack lightning resist to beat you..This is the entire reason for FoH on a v/t, to force others to use lightning res equipment...
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Any V/T thats any good will not even let you get conv on them let alone foh them with it on. This goes for other classes too. They should run away when conv lock onto them. The extra light damage is much better because it should hurt them even without conv on. If they stack res then what is the point. They will stack enough to negate conv. anyway. Its also a pain waiting for conv to lock on before fohing.
 
Sorry about my post, didn't realize 24 was to combat only (i was wandering what in the world could provide +24 all skills).

In the case when godly equipments are available (as should always be for PvP), higher base lightning damage beats the usage of conviction. Smite is a skill that needs two combat skills (holy shield and smite itself) and one offensive aura. Therefore, you'd be boosting your combat skill tree anyways, thus more points into FoH.

So, yes, 10-12.
 
I can't believe you actually think higher based FoH damage beats a lower damage FoH with 25 conviction on a v/t. And no, without convic the extra lightning damage (which isn't THAT much more) will not hurt them. The whole point of FoH is to be used in conjuction with conviction. Ever wonder why t-storm is a joke in pvp duels? And yes, they will stack res to balance out conviction, which is the ENTIRE point of FoH on a v/t. You want your opponent to stack lightning res, this makes them more vulnerable because they have to sacrifice godly gear to obtain the resistences. Then you smite them, it's the whole concept, someone back me up here?
 
Shadax your both right and wrong. Yes thats the point, but no it may not need to be maxed. Plus... I would trust vindi in most anything he says... Just do it.

-wvx
 
Shadax said:
I can't believe you actually think higher based FoH damage beats a lower damage FoH with 25 conviction on a v/t. And no, without convic the extra lightning damage (which isn't THAT much more) will not hurt them. The whole point of FoH is to be used in conjuction with conviction. Ever wonder why t-storm is a joke in pvp duels? And yes, they will stack res to balance out conviction, which is the ENTIRE point of FoH on a v/t. You want your opponent to stack lightning res, this makes them more vulnerable because they have to sacrifice godly gear to obtain the resistences. Then you smite them, it's the whole concept, someone back me up here?
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I understand the concept of it all. We have tried it both ways. I just works better to have higher light damage and base conv. Your missing the whole point of having to wait for conv to hit them and then fohing them. Thats alot of time in a fast paced duel where people tele and charge around very fast. I preferr to hit hard when I can with foh and get the little higher damage from that. Its not really hard to get the extra 150 res to negate conv anyway. What will your FOH damage be with lvl 25 conv? It probally won't be much. Maybe 2k at best. Try it with conv. While your running around trying to get it locked on someone they will have either charged in and smited you or hit you with foh already anyway. How do you figure you'll have 22 points anyway? With that many in conv. Your foh won't even reach 2k. You don't think you'll get to lvl 99 do you?
 
i believe that maxing the essentials for vt is good such *** smite holyshield fanaticsm and FOH... now to make ur vt competitive i believe that vt must have split skill pts between holyshock and conviction makes it more well rounded. but the weakness is if an opponent puts all absorb then ur foh would suck.... thats when u smite him .... i say 8 pts on holyshock and conviction and maxing every vt skill essentials (lvl 99 ofcourse)
 
the highest level conviction in the area rules, so if you have a level 25 and you opponent has 26, you will receive NONE of the -res from conviction

phelix
 
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