Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

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Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

With my newest smiter (only lvl 82 atm), I've only done ubers twice so far, but with 2 different sets of gear:

1st time: (100% crushing blow)
perf last wish pb
guillaume's face (15ias/15resist all jewel)

2nd time: (0% crushing blow)
perf grief pb
my good old coa (lost my guillaume's on a mule somewhere lol)

Both times: the rest of my gear:
exile (yay life tap)
enigma
trang gloves
arachnid mesh (lol @ my 12 frame teleport)
tri resist rare boots
mara's
raven/wisp
torch/anni/20lifers

(As you can see, I sort of just threw gear at my smiter and hoped for the best)
(You really don't need to try all that hard when you have life tap :D I didn't have to use a single potion)

I didn't actually record how many seconds it took to take them all down, but it felt like the second time was faster. So my question is: Does crushing blow really do all that much vs ubers?

btw, this smiter will become my pvp gm telesmiter (I plan to use spirit instead of exile to reach 75 fcr :D)
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

Well I do like to think that CB helps. not a must, but its still good. Maybe you can try and time your next 2 uber rounds under the same condition and who knows, maybe you will come up with "premature tyrant discovery : crushing blow an illusion"

=)
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

I don't see open wound in your second set gear at all!

Assuming that the data files are indeed correct, the ubers regen 16k life a second, hence there is no way you can possibly smite them to death without open wound. So, either that there is something wrong with the data that we have for the ubers in the community, or that you are using some different gear (even just 1 piece, like a duress) than what you claimed.
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

Yes it does, but also how effective CB is against Ubers/bosses/monsters in general also depends on their %PDR (because +%PDR starts to reduce the effectiveness of CB), how much CB total you have, and at what point it's being applied. Generally, CB is useful for chunking down an Uber's/boss's life up to around half or maybe a little more in a jiffy, then raw damage, from "Grief," maxed Holy Shield + Smite, your weapon, etc. will be needed to whittle down the rest. Also, Ubers drop much faster with a curse like Decrepify or Amp on them. This I know from having killed them several times with my Frenzy Barb using "Lawbringer" in my off hand. And yes, you need something to stop Uber regeneration. Their regen really sucks. Reminds me of my first Uber trial with friends when I was using a Holy Shock Zealot. Man, that sucked. We were totally unprepared and had to abandon the run eventually.
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

does poison prevent regen b/c grief has ctc venom.
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

hes absolutely right. the poison from venom would stop the regen of the ubers.

=)

edit: although i can't explain the faster time the second time. maybe you should try actually timing yourself with a stopwatch or something. only thing I can think of is the massive physical damage of grief but CB is 12.5% (i think) of the uber's health the first time it procs so this is a mystery O.o
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

AnimeCraze said:
I don't see open wound in your second set gear at all!

Assuming that the data files are indeed correct, the ubers regen 16k life a second, hence there is no way you can possibly smite them to death without open wound. So, either that there is something wrong with the data that we have for the ubers in the community, or that you are using some different gear (even just 1 piece, like a duress) than what you claimed.
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Interesting.. maybe I was using my dracs or something..

EDIT:

MrProphet said:
hes absolutely right. the poison from venom would stop the regen of the ubers.

=)
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Oh, wow! Is there anything grief can't do?



 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

yes, its the worst Vengeance weapon in the world :) the +damage does not work with Vengeance.
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

illestkhmai said:
Yeah but that doesn't mean the poison damage is carried over onto smite.
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This is true; didn't think about that. I think I may have noticed stuff dropping from the poison damage though. Of course, I may be very wrong too.


 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

I've noticed that after I smite people in PvP, their health continues to drop rapidly even if I don't touch them again.
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

well groovy. i didn't think it should do that, but It sounds like it is considering poison to be similar to open wounds rather than elemental damage.

something that has not been mentioned yet is that Grief has "prevent monster heal," does that work on bosses?
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

Maybe it is the prevent monster heal. After looking around, I read several sources that say venom doesn't work with smite. Maybe when I was PvPing, I used charge or something... or maybe I had my dracs on.

Ugh, I wish I could test. I'm currently temp banned because bnet kept kicking me and I logged back in too many times. I've been temp banned for 30 hours now and I have no idea why. Usually they only last 15 minutes.
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

I have heard from multiple sources that prevent monster heal is specifically hard coded to not work for the ubers.

Suppose that you do have OW, and that you smite for say 10k per second. Then, it should take 60~70 smites (ubers have ~600k HP). Some crushing blow will of course make it much quicker, but I definitely do not see it as necessary after gores.
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

Oh, I see. Well that settles that. I had my dracs on for sure the second time, I guess.

It sounds like I just proved that [grief + OW] takes ubers down as fast as or faster than [100% crushing blow + no OW]

I still have no idea how crushing blow works against ubers. How many smites should it take to kill ubers if I have [100% crushing blow + OW]? Would it be faster than [35% crushing blow + grief + OW]?
 
Re: Does crushing blow really do all that much against ubers?

Crushing blow wacks 1/8 of the life off a monster when it occurs. This is huge and allows you to kill the bosses quickly.

Assuming no crushing blow, life of 650,000 hp, and smite damage of like 5k it will take 130 successful hits to kill.

Two of them have 50% dr so it will take 260 hits.

Max speed for smite is 6 fp or about 4 attacks per sec so it will take 40 secs for your 260 smites.

In 40 secs they regen 15k * 40 or 600k life and they will have 600k life.

This does not work very well, it takes a long time and you need poison damage/open wounds to stop the regen.

With 50% crushing blow added and poison/open wounds to stop regeneration it take 70 smites on average to kil.
 
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