deadly strike and vengeance

[Rekk_Dalton]

deadly strike and vengeance

how does deadly strike and teh paladin skill vengeance interact? If i get a deadly strike will it cause proportionately more elemental damage as well?


also, vengeance uses the paladin normal attack speed right? so if i have an ebotdz and no other ias and am not using fanatacism i would have a 10 frame attack speed? Thanks for the help

 

[Rekk_Dalton]

also how does offweapon ed such as aura's like might, fanat or pride affect the elemental damage? ed from armor like fortitude? i'm curious asa to the potential of this skill

 

[Eilo Rytyj]

1) AFAIK Deadly Strike only works on the final physical damage. It wont work with the elemental part.

2) You're right, Vengeance follows normal attack speed. You need 90% IAS with a Berserker Axe (base speed [0] 1 handed swinging weapon) to get to 9 frames. Bloodfist and Highlord's Wrath, my friend.

3) Nope. Might, Fanaticism and Concentration will only augment the physical aspect of your damage. It wont increase the elemental parts. Same goes for all off-weapon ed% like Fortitude, Phoenix shields, Paladin-only shields with the AR/ed% mods, the Strength ed% bonus... it will all only affect the physical part.

That's not to say Deadly Strike and off-weapon ed% sources are totally useless. There's still a potent physical damage with an EBotDz that can be taken advantage of. People can't absorb physical damage, you know. Avengers (especially the dual-dream variety) make a great anti-elemental character, since you'll be maxing Conviction, Resist Lightning and Salvation. Expect to see somewhere in the vicinity of 3k-16k+ Vengeance damage, as well as something like 1.5k-10k Charge with just 1 point.

 

[Rekk_Dalton]

Can someone either provide me the damage order for the vengeance skill or do the calculations for me w/ this gear/build.

Base skills (+8 from gear assuming highlord's and cta switch)
20 vengeance
1 holy shield
20 resist lightning
20 resist cold
20 conviction
5 resist fire
9 prereqs

Gear =
Dream helm
Dream shield
Ebotdz 374%
Fort
Ravenfrost
Highlords (or maras if the +skills would add more damage)
BK ring
War Traveller's (the +damage is added prior to the elemental damage iirc, otherwise will use goreriders for deadly strike/cb)
Verdungo's Coil
Dracul's grasp

Cta/Spirit switch (low str pally shield)
Demon Limb prebuff (ar and fire damage)

Charms
pally torch
anni
(rest are life only)

Str = 140 (after gear)


Thanks

 

[ToThePoint]

try checking the pala faq for a calc or searching

 

[Rekk_Dalton]

couldn't find a calc for vengeance, all i need to know is the order of ed application and i should be able to do the math myself...

 

[ToThePoint]

try checking the pala faq for a calc or searching

there is a hint as to where a calc may be found contained above

 

[Rekk_Dalton]

unless the link that leads to a plain white page actually is a website its a pretty crappy hint... all the guides there primarily reference smite and zeal and do not address my primary question of what order is weapon damage calculated in, eg does is start w/ base weapon damage, then +damage items like war travs, then vengeance, then off weapon ed, then auras etc