Blade Fury PvP

I woulden't really call it viable in PvP as hitting people with BF is fairly hard (beside that BF doesn't do very good damage even with venom etc) you coulden't click onto someone and hope that you would hit them as most people with any common sense would just run around you in a circle getting closer (if melee) or just zig-zag away from you (ranged) or perhaps teleport onto you (melee, blessed hammer etc) also when you are firing at someone blade fury locks you into position making you immobile (would have to shoot ahead of someone, hope that you hit and change position constantly +even if you do hit someone the damage won't be very good), not a very good situation to be in. Blade fury's range isn't all that either so you would be a ranged character dependant on being practically on your enemies screen to even open fire on them. IMO it woulden't be very successful.
 
Problems are
a) Venom make ALL you posion recalculates on 0.4s duration hence 290psc will barely add to your Venom 19damage toss here 1/6 PvP damage reduction and will get not pretty picture...
b) while you in attack mode you planted to ground in conjuction with low attack ratting you will easy prey for any PvP who relay on single hit-kill
c) you overall damage per hit fairly low w/o deadly strike, CB, open wounds with just Venom+Stormlash (best fury weapon) you can expect in PvM ~1500damage per blade ..... if its hit (of course in PvM once you apply deadly strike, crushing blow and open wounds and toss Static field damage a lot more impressive)
d) Blades are missles - hence anyone who can have highblock will be nearly immune to it
Buttom line you can kill by accident some newbie in PvP but not any person who have more or less exp in PvP
 
Tan's da man

Tantatus nails in one the head... yeah BF is a fun skill to use but unless someone is melee and runs right up to you .. then you wo'nt hit. No matter what your AR is. Why? The blades fire fast but no so fast that anyone moving around can't avoid them manually. Yes people without dodge you can dodge these blades easily.
While Tantatus is what I consider a very reliable and expert on the BF I do though wish to correct him on a fes things...
Damage on the BF ~1500... double that. You can get 3k with a bit of effort (Personally I do : 707 - 3545 ATM...)
Crushing BlLow/Deadly Blow/Critical Strike and all those other great mods.. have been nerfed in PvP. Even Static doens't work in PvP.... They all suck. Only thing that roxs = OPEN WOUNDS. You wanner PvP with teeh BF use OW.
On the upside.. facets are nice in PvP.. especially with a Cresent Moon Rune word and some other nifty gear your opponent will with each hit suffer : -50% lightning resistance (3 facets here people)... and that is a lot even to those lighitng absord users.
On all other accounts listen to Tan.. he's da' man.
 
why blade furry?

Mr Bones said:
I woulden't really call it viable in PvP as hitting people with BF is fairly hard (beside that BF doesn't do very good damage even with venom etc) you coulden't click onto someone and hope that you would hit them as most people with any common sense would just run around you in a circle getting closer (if melee) or just zig-zag away from you (ranged) or perhaps teleport onto you (melee, blessed hammer etc) also when you are firing at someone blade fury locks you into position making you immobile (would have to shoot ahead of someone, hope that you hit and change position constantly +even if you do hit someone the damage won't be very good), not a very good situation to be in. Blade fury's range isn't all that either so you would be a ranged character dependant on being practically on your enemies screen to even open fire on them. IMO it woulden't be very successful.
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in respons to this i say why in the world use blade furry? If you use blade furry why not use blade senital (witch is way better for pvp) Using this you can set almost 8 at a time all forming an cross to cross formation witch is fairly hard to see. I have tested this and it works good on monsters but on pvp im not sure but I have trouble evoiding 8 things at the same time. People think that the sorceres could easily teleport out of the way but if there everywere theyl teleport into one.
 
Ritslev said:
Tantatus nails in one the head... yeah BF is a fun skill to use but unless someone is melee and runs right up to you .. then you wo'nt hit. No matter what your AR is. Why? The blades fire fast but no so fast that anyone moving around can't avoid them manually. Yes people without dodge you can dodge these blades easily.
While Tantatus is what I consider a very reliable and expert on the BF I do though wish to correct him on a fes things...
Damage on the BF ~1500... double that. You can get 3k with a bit of effort (Personally I do : 707 - 3545 ATM...)
Crushing BlLow/Deadly Blow/Critical Strike and all those other great mods.. have been nerfed in PvP. Even Static doens't work in PvP.... They all suck. Only thing that roxs = OPEN WOUNDS. You wanner PvP with teeh BF use OW.
On the upside.. facets are nice in PvP.. especially with a Cresent Moon Rune word and some other nifty gear your opponent will with each hit suffer : -50% lightning resistance (3 facets here people)... and that is a lot even to those lighitng absord users.
On all other accounts listen to Tan.. he's da' man.
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http://www.rpgforums.net/images/icons/icon14.gif And about the mele charecters if they go through wat i call a blade field they get hit almost 15 times before making it out and they might need to go through one to get to you.http://www.rpgforums.net/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
Blade senital better than blade furry?

My answer is no blade furry is faster deals more dmg and is perfect for killing bosses. But blade senital has way better edvantages. If you use venome as your main damage then blade senital is your best alie. It goes through enemies and sets up for about 16 seconds max (20 pts + extra skils) witch is just enuf to make a 10 second blade field to slice up enimies dealing great poisin, open wounds, and other elemental dmg you have set up for your self. I think this skill is perfect for pvp (bisides the realy cheap thins like FO and FOH) becouse if you have any ice dmg it will slow your enemies down as soon as a blade hits them. When there slowed down it alows more blades to come before he or she leaves your blade field. This works extreimly good if your in your blade field witch atracts mele duelers to come and get stuck in your web. Unless they have (cannot be frozen) on then once in your deadly web you could hit them more easily with blade furry becouse they are slowd down and in extreme panic. (If you know wat its like to be in open wounds then try being frozen, hit over and over, AND OPEN WOUNDS!) ooowww! i say this and with this if you wana use blade senital then make a "gohst" assasin with this instead of other traps (and it doesint hurt to use blade furry becouse of other things)
 
Well to be completely honest there is a way to make this build deadly for PvP....
You must relay on MindBlast while back in 1.09 I had sort of cut-cookie PvP assasin with c/c maxed CM maxed dragon claws desent BoS and ! maxed MindBlast so tactic was extreme simple - hit target with mind blast and slice it in prieces to be exacts keep target stunlocked and keep choping it with claws (in my old build I have trackload 290s + 2 perfect bartucs sockets with 30+ID/IAS jewels). Basically you kept map up once target in same area as you hit Cloak of Shadow run toward prety and start hitting area with MB till you get stun lock - idea not run out mana before you reach target...
With Furysin since its really not skill hungry built you can probably discard DS, put just 1 point in CoS and dump most points into mindblast and try altenate MB/BF. As long as you have mana to sustein MB you will be in good shape
About damage - well 1500 per blade on average arent easy to achieve - 700-3500 on average will net you ~2.1k which is danm very very very nice but arent easy to get. To give you comprehension how much you can expect just from weapon+skills (w/o charms) - Stormlash near perfect (294%) w/o venom will give you ~46-1098 per blade assuming you have decent str/dextr. If you toss in equation maxed Venom (with items I have slvl23) it net you extra 400 damage so we are talking about 500-1500 damage. In order to achieve 3K damage you need pick 1.5K elemental damage from charms/armor/merc aura/socketing weapon ect
On a side note: if you thinking about PvP - consider KingSlayer rune word with legendary mallet (heh preferebly superior eth legendary mallet ....)
 
ninefootnails said:
in respons to this i say why in the world use blade furry? If you use blade furry why not use blade senital (witch is way better for pvp) Using this you can set almost 8 at a time all forming an cross to cross formation witch is fairly hard to see. I have tested this and it works good on monsters but on pvp im not sure but I have trouble evoiding 8 things at the same time. People think that the sorceres could easily teleport out of the way but if there everywere theyl teleport into one.
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Funnily enough I have experimented with blade sentinel sins, didn't go that well.

Well to be completely honest there is a way to make this build deadly for PvP....
You must relay on MindBlast while back in 1.09 I had sort of cut-cookie PvP assasin with c/c maxed CM maxed dragon claws desent BoS and ! maxed MindBlast so tactic was extreme simple - hit target with mind blast and slice it in prieces to be exacts keep target stunlocked and keep choping it with claws (in my old build I have trackload 290s + 2 perfect bartucs sockets with 30+ID/IAS jewels). Basically you kept map up once target in same area as you hit Cloak of Shadow run toward prety and start hitting area with MB till you get stun lock - idea not run out mana before you reach target...
With Furysin since its really not skill hungry built you can probably discard DS, put just 1 point in CoS and dump most points into mindblast and try altenate MB/BF. As long as you have mana to sustein MB you will be in good shape
About damage - well 1500 per blade on average arent easy to achieve - 700-3500 on average will net you ~2.1k which is danm very very very nice but arent easy to get. To give you comprehension how much you can expect just from weapon+skills (w/o charms) - Stormlash near perfect (294%) w/o venom will give you ~46-1098 per blade assuming you have decent str/dextr. If you toss in equation maxed Venom (with items I have slvl23) it net you extra 400 damage so we are talking about 500-1500 damage. In order to achieve 3K damage you need pick 1.5K elemental damage from charms/armor/merc aura/socketing weapon ect
On a side note: if you thinking about PvP - consider KingSlayer rune word with legendary mallet (heh preferebly superior eth legendary mallet ....)
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I would like to see this done (out of interest). It sounds like it could be cool with high enough AR. Which realm are you on Tanatus? (ladder/non-ladder?) I would love to try a duel against this build sometime just as soon as I have re-built a char (I'm on Europe ladder/currently have 0 PvP ready chars but I'm working on it..). ;)
 
If a Bladesin doesn't work FB Sorcs are useless too...

Basicly. You get customisable, ranged damage at high attack speed. You have access to mind blast and damage. Only two things: As you don't really need to boost trap damage, consider using Shadow Skillers. Boosts Claw Block / Fade / Venom / Mind Blast / BoS / Shadow Master.

Chaos could prove a good runeword too. Considering BF transfers magic damage... Heck, even a good ol' e.star has some damn nice elemental damage...

I'll return on this, look into it myself a few weeks back.
 
Mr Bones said:
I would like to see this done (out of interest). It sounds like it could be cool with high enough AR. Which realm are you on Tanatus? (ladder/non-ladder?) I would love to try a duel against this build sometime just as soon as I have re-built a char (I'm on Europe ladder/currently have 0 PvP ready chars but I'm working on it..). ;)
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There are others whom have this setup.

I'm on Europe Non Ladder Realm.
Acc : SonOfRa
Name : Ament-Ra

Also read : http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=168832

That will tell you all about this build.
 
Ritslev said:
There are others whom have this setup.

I'm on Europe Non Ladder Realm.
Acc : SonOfRa
Name : Ament-Ra

Also read : http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=168832

That will tell you all about this build.
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I was just responding to Tantatus as he was the only person I knew for sure would use that particular set-up, thanks for the link. I've had a read of that guide but I haven't dueled anyone using that setup so I was just curious. If my accounts hadn't rotted on NL I would have loved a duel sometime (anything else I posted that was stupid I'm putting down to the fact that I was drunk when I posted :thumbsup: )
 
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