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Awesome Paladin

So Im gonna make this paladin and I have a few questions. Now all this info is off the top of my head so some may be incorrect

This paladin is gonna be made for mainly coolness so some of the parts are used for good looks and uniqueness.

I found this 3os diadem so im gonna make a dream out of it.
Im gonna make either a legendary mallet or zerker doom.
Im gonna use an exile on a vortex shield(of course)
I got a corpsemourn and im gonna up it and socket it with either a hel or a facet(a suggestion for the socket is open)
I dunno what rings or ammy im gonna use or gloves or boots, but im gonna use a verdungos belt most likely.

the skills are gonna be:
Max conviction
Max holyshield
Either zeal or vengance maxed(I wanna have fairly fast fps, ill probly go with zeal, and Im probly not gonna max sacrifice in leu for other skills.)
max salvation

im gonna get 200dex and around 200 str the rest into vitality

Ive got a few questions though, I need AR and good tanking ability, and I need to know what the ias values are for frames, without fanatacism, doom will give 40%ias and the weapon will be fairly fast. also am I right in assuming I shouldnt put a point into holy shock or holy freeze? Thats about it, and watch out when I duel people
 
NoHonorAmongCheaters said:
This paladin is gonna be made for mainly coolness so some of the parts are used for good looks and uniqueness.
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I'm sorry to break your heart, but this paladin is not gonna have the good looks because he's gonna be very dead most of the time and a dead paladin (or any other character for that matter) does not look too hot when he's dead.
The forum is stuffed with a huge amount of information and I strongly advise you read at least some of it. The effort you'll put into searching and reading will repay itself. Good luck!
 
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wow.

Maby you should give some advice or links before you start trolling.
With at least 190%res reduction thats -38% in hell, if I get a better than 40%dmg reduction on the doom then its 40% and 42% reduction (50% and 60% respectively) thats enough to break most monsters immunity, and add lightning damage on top of that. Correction on earlier doom adds 45%ias. I will have conviction, defiance, holy shock, and holy freeze auras on at the same time. On striking I will cast life tap, on being struck I will cast iron maiden. If I choose to add facets to my armor then I will have more minus to resistance and also in "dying" I will cast more destruction. Ill use a raven frost and a wisp projector. My exile will have +resistances and adds to max resistance. Now if someone could point me to a chart or just tell me the %ias required for a zerker axe or legendary mallet to reach 4-5 frames using zeal without fanatacism, thats what I really wanted to know.
 
well lancelink is right....
life tap will only save you IF you can hit them... frankly in pvp u had seriously crap some ar if you expect to hit an exile using zealot/fanat combo pally before he mows you over...
in PVM with more than 3 ppl in game your gonna be basically everyones merc.. your not gonna be able to tank well because your life is gonna suck with that much pnts in dex and str. ( ive got a LOT more life on my Char and use CTA and still pot like mad when I try and tank) even if your def is in the 20k range and monsters have a 30% chance to hit you well when they pack around you and two of the 20 hit you thats it.. time to come back and pick up your gear....


thats what lancelink is tryin to tell you...
No one is saying "dont try it" we are saying be reasonable about it...

dream helm isnt enough to do jack with conviction alone.. conviction maxes out at 150- res .. even in hell you will break immunites with it, but stuff isnt gonna drop like flies when its still at 90% res...

honeslty you need 120% total ias to hit 4fps ( if memory serves ) your gonna be lucky to get 8fps WITH beast zerk.... doom just isnt fast enough ( I know ive tried it with my current build.)

read a few threads on dream and new RW builds... wasting a lot of pnts in dex and str wont do a lot for your ar or damage.... things that are important is max block. Great ar... u have to hit stuff to leach.... and if your chance to hit a fallen is 45% your gonna be dead a lot in coldplains.

http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=318235
Pougee and I are currently testing stuff for a conv build (my char is at lvl 86 and walking around with COH, dream helm and 50 res Dream sacred targe ( best blking low def) max veng and conv and max light res about 15 HS , 5 more than I should have. 5 hit zeal , i think its total skill is 4 or 5. all of the following weapons are being tested currently
Grief zerk
famine zerk
cresent moon zerk
phoenix caduecus
doom zerk
and beast zerk.

with stacked 30 holy shock I can kill fallen and NON light immunes in pits ( a lvl 85 area) with about 3 pulses on average) light res is maxed at 22

the rest of the gear is
dream helm
dream sacred targe
great hauberk COH
crafted 20ias 5% to ar bloodgloves
metalgrid ( more ar)
5% to ar LL rare ring
nosferatus coil
ravenfrost ( dont have anything to cham)
and eth treks

stats are
187 str
139 dex
259 vit
15 mana

skills are HS 17 ( still at 70% CTB)
22 conv veng
5 in zeal
+2 skills overall from coh in prerequeistes..


granted this is a testing char. and so far ive got twice as much high end gear as what your proposing and still have a tough time of it in any game with more than three people..
more testing here:
http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=317480
but by all means if you want to make that char Id be happy to duel you.... I think it would be refreshing to duel someone and beat them as a constant... :)

(fyi there are things in the works to make dream and dragon viable RW PVP builds.... and yea its costing a WHOLE lot and probably wont be very sucessful...but its fun ...
 
NoHonorAmongCheaters said:
So Im gonna make this paladin and I have a few questions. Now all this info is off the top of my head so some may be incorrect

This paladin is gonna be made for mainly coolness so some of the parts are used for good looks and uniqueness.

I found this 3os diadem so im gonna make a dream out of it.
Im gonna make either a legendary mallet or zerker doom.
Im gonna use an exile on a vortex shield(of course)
I got a corpsemourn and im gonna up it and socket it with either a hel or a facet(a suggestion for the socket is open)
I dunno what rings or ammy im gonna use or gloves or boots, but im gonna use a verdungos belt most likely.

the skills are gonna be:
Max conviction
Max holyshield
Either zeal or vengance maxed(I wanna have fairly fast fps, ill probly go with zeal, and Im probly not gonna max sacrifice in leu for other skills.)
max salvation

im gonna get 200dex and around 200 str the rest into vitality

Ive got a few questions though, I need AR and good tanking ability, and I need to know what the ias values are for frames, without fanatacism, doom will give 40%ias and the weapon will be fairly fast. also am I right in assuming I shouldnt put a point into holy shock or holy freeze? Thats about it, and watch out when I duel people
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first off: Why max salvation? with plus skills gear it is a one point wonder for the pally. You get a better damage return for your elemental auras by investing in the corresponding resistance aura.

Second: You might better switch out your exile for a "dream" shield as well. One quirky thing about this is that those auras would stack. So you have a possible lvl 30 Holy Shock synergized.

Third: If you are going to put "Doom" in a Legendary Mallet good luck. Yes it does have good damage, but it is one of the slowest weapons in the game and so without fanat it needs a lot of IAS to hit any decent breakpoint. Doing this would be almost like using a sheal'd Scheafers hammer (sheal'd scheafers would be 40% on weapon IAS). It is tough to maintain a 5 fpa breakpoint without giving up to much gear.

Fourth: As far as AR and tanking you can make AR a moot point in pvm by getting an ITD mod. Tanking is going to be a good trick to accomplish with this build. things for a good tank include: blocking, life, PDR, , leech, and maybe life tap if you can hit things. Max HS should take care of your blocking. Life-you have a lot of points in other stats that could be put into vitality to boost your life. The other items that you mention don't add much life or vitality either (except for dungos). I'd be suprised if you get over 1k life without CTA with your build as proposed. PDR-all of your best spots for PDR (helm, shield, armor) are taken leaving your belt which offers at best 15% PDR. To be at least a semi-effective tank in 1.10 you should have at least twice that and it is even better to have a max PDR. Leech/life tap-this wouldn't be to hard to make up in the slots your still have open.

Fifth: I don't duel, but from what i understand a 4 fpa zeal is a MUST in duels. If your zeal isn't reaching the 4 frame break point you don't stand a snowballs chance in hell in a duel. Also high defense, a good amount of life, PDR, and AR are all very important for dueling and you are signifigantly lacking in most of these areas.

Sixth: If you aren't going to be usingzeal for damage dealing purposes you might consider putting enough points to reach the 5 attack level (slvl 4 i believe) with plus skills. This leads again to AR problems but opens other synergies up if you can compensate for AR somewhere.

These things said these are my conclusions:

1: your toast in duels with this build. It simply can't compete for reasons already covered.
2: pvm will be incredibly difficult with this build, but I think it can be done with enough patience.
3: I say try it and keep track of what you learn, but keep it in the pvm realm. It will save you much frustration.
 
What I was trying to say was:

The purpose of a forum is to accumulate information over time, in contrast to a chat channel.
Whenever I see posts like the starting post in this thread I'm thinking: "Again, someone was lazy to do a search and find out what he needs." (NoHonorAmongCheaters, I am not trying to be offensive, I'm just trying to tell you to use the forum as a forum. It's obvious that you didn't read too much of it, if any, before posting.)

The forums are crammed with threads and posts which repeat things already discussed. This abundance of repeating threads ultimately means it gets harder and harder to dig out valuable information.

I apologize if my previous post sounded harsh, I just wanted to put some sarcasm in it to provoke a proactive response.
 
One thing

if you want to do a cool and atleast a bit effective palla maybe u should use all runeword's instead of corpse mourn.
this would be my setup if i had teh fund's and were on ladder ^^.

Helm: Dream
Shield: Exile
Armor: Dragon
Weapon: Doom
Belt: Dungo's
Amulet: Angelic Wing's
Ring1: Angelic Halo
Ring2: Raven Frost
Glove's: Dracul's Or Blood Fist
Boot's: Sandstorm Trek's
Charm's: Combat skiller's With Life
Weapon Switch: Cta
Shield Switch: Lidless wall

But the build lacks damage reduction :(

but we carry on ^^ skill's:
20 Conviction
20 Salvation
20 Holy shield
4 Zeal
Rest in defiance

i dunno what u think but i think it could turn out well if u learned how to play it right ^^
 
Tastychiken_europe said:
if you want to do a cool and atleast a bit effective palla maybe u should use all runeword's instead of corpse mourn.
this would be my setup if i had teh fund's and were on ladder ^^.

Helm: Dream
Shield: Exile
Armor: Dragon
Weapon: Doom
Belt: Dungo's
Amulet: Angelic Wing's
Ring1: Angelic Halo
Ring2: Raven Frost
Glove's: Dracul's Or Blood Fist
Boot's: Sandstorm Trek's
Charm's: Combat skiller's With Life
Weapon Switch: Cta
Shield Switch: Lidless wall

But the build lacks damage reduction :(

but we carry on ^^ skill's:
20 Conviction
20 Salvation
20 Holy shield
4 Zeal
Rest in defiance

i dunno what u think but i think it could turn out well if u learned how to play it right ^^
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FYI dragon armor sucks with zeal.. there is CTC hydra on it and a timer when the hydra casts so u get intterupted attacks a LOT..

I had this on my conv pally testing and my zeal would pause all the time while hydras cast.... and a lvl 14 hydra dont do much to faller who are fire immune:)
 
All right, I was a bit hasty in my last response.
These suggestions are great. I wanted to get exile for the defiance, and for +max res, but I'll see what I can get.

Ill study up on pvp some more, and Ill try to be more humble.
 
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