Arioc's Needle for WW Barb

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DECOYBOY

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Arioc's Needle for WW Barb

Hi all,

DECOY here, very long time reader (since 2000), first time poster. I just found the unique hyperion spear, "arioc's needle" the other day and noticed that with a shael this guy could reach the -60 bp and with a range of 4. Is this correct? With the 50% deadly strike I thought this would make a decent weapon for a spear barb. Would this be a viable ww weapon?

Thx in advance =)
 
DECOYBOY said:
Hi all,

DECOY here, very long time reader (since 2000), first time poster. I just found the unique hyperion spear, "arioc's needle" the other day and noticed that with a shael this guy could reach the -60 bp and with a range of 4. Is this correct? With the 50% deadly strike I thought this would make a decent weapon for a spear barb. Would this be a viable ww weapon?

Thx in advance =)
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its good but you cant even pick it up until level 81, which means you will need something else to level yourself. also, the dex requierment is a little high for my taste (120).

but yes you are correct, it could hit -60 with a shael and would be range 4. it does quite a bit of damage with the deadly strike, and +skill are nice too. definitely has a ton of killing power.
 
Yea that was one problem...waiting til lvl 81 until I got to use it...

The only thing for the interim that I have is a triple-shaeled hone sundan...mebbe if I used gear to get me near 100% crushing blow that could tide me over for awhile...not sure if it'll last til lvl 81 tho ...heh
 
DECOYBOY said:
Yea that was one problem...waiting til lvl 81 until I got to use it...

The only thing for the interim that I have is a triple-shaeled hone sundan...mebbe if I used gear to get me near 100% crushing blow that could tide me over for awhile...not sure if it'll last til lvl 81 tho ...heh
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i would say that hone sundan would easily get you thru nightmare. crushing blow like that at the frequent hit rate of whirlwind is a pvm killing machine.
 
I generally like polearms over spears, more choices, particularly with tomb reaver on ladder

arioc's damage is also a bit underwhelming, ditto for viperfork
 
Ash Housewares said:
I generally like polearms over spears, more choices, particularly with tomb reaver on ladder

arioc's damage is also a bit underwhelming, ditto for viperfork
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hmm? with the 50% DS ariocs does around 350-375 avg damage, which is better than a tombreaver. ignore armor is pretty nice too, dont you think? +skills means more +ed%, etc.

perhaps you mean that arioc's base damage is low, so that when you add DS from gores/high lords you receive a poor return compared to a beefy base like bonehew. since ariocs already has DS i dont see whats wrong with going for goblin toe for straight up CB or wartravs for straight up damage.

viperfork does nowhere near as much damage...it does like 220 avg. its not anywhere near ariocs or reaver's league. plus the 134 dex req is too high (ariocs is barely passable in my opinion). considering bonehew is probably the same price i wouldnt recommend viperfork to anyone unless they were looking for the brandistock look (which is admittely awesome...the brandistock is the largest weapon model in the game, longer than a lance and forked to boot).
 
The mods on tombreaver, if they are in the high end beat out arioc's. Not necessarily in dmg, but in helping you in the other categories.

bonehew is much better than arioc's, it's often considered the best unique 2hand ww weapon.

a hone sundan is an awesome weapon with 3 shaels. crushing blow is a much more important mod than ds. if you upgrade your hone sundan, then there is no contest. An eth upped hone sundan (it's got the repair mod, so eth is a viable option) is a force to be reckoned with. A non eth upped version does have a very high dex req though (151 I think).

Basically the thing that makes arioc's totally useless in my mind is the super high lvl req, because by then you should have a bonehew...
 
Bonehew vs ariochs. as i see it.

Using the base weapons, hyperion vs ogre axe.
Type-- range-- avg damage-- speed--
(hyperion)-- (4)-- (43)-- (-10)--
(ogre axe)-- (3)-- (45)-- (10)--

I can think of no reason not to take the hyperion based on this, now on to the uniques.

Ariochs Needle.
180-230% ED
50% deadly strike
30% IAS
Ignor targets defense
394 poison over 10 seconds
+2-4 to all skills

avg dmg-253
speed-(-40)

Bonehew.
270-320% ED
Prevent monster heal
30% IAS
Bone spear on striking (useless)
14 Charges of corpse explosion (semi useless)
2 open sockets (double shael is required)

avg dmg-363
speed-(-20)

I think it's pretty obvious, hyperion wins in my view. By a lot.
longer range
faster, will only need to use 1 shael.
50% ds, so its actual avg damage would be closer to bonehews if not higher.
400 poison damage is the same as prevent heal, and better pvp.
+4 skills, hrrm more defense, life, damage,AR,resists.. yeah, good to have.

I cant see any real reason to argue bonehew over this, Id wager that asuming all other gear and skills the same (exchange masteries) the spear barb would win more often in duels among them. Logic?
 
bonehew is base [0] btw, so if you were fairly wealthy you could put two 40/15 jewels in it to hit the -60 breakpoint. but i agree that ariocs is a better weapon. ignore defense in pvm is pretty awesome, and i would say that it does at least as much damage as bonehew, especially after the damage bonus from the +skills.
 
My comments were based on my experience with the weapons I stated. It doesn't make too much sense why I do much better with a bonehew than arioc's. I agree with that because I used to dislike bonehew so much because of its stats. Then I used it. I'll admit it didn't do better than my upped 3shael hone sundan, but it was close. Arioc's needle, on the other hand, was nowhere near as good as my hone sundan.

Why this is the case, I'll never know. I think maybe my play style might screw up the game code :lol:, cause there have been a few instances where items that I hear people raving about just don't impress me. I always try a new item with my previous gear and then gear that should complement it if at all necessary to change gear.

I guess I'm just a freak.
 
mstrnicegui said:
My comments were based on my experience with the weapons I stated. It doesn't make too much sense why I do much better with a bonehew than arioc's. I agree with that because I used to dislike bonehew so much because of its stats. Then I used it. I'll admit it didn't do better than my upped 3shael hone sundan, but it was close. Arioc's needle, on the other hand, was nowhere near as good as my hone sundan.

Why this is the case, I'll never know. I think maybe my play style might screw up the game code :lol:, cause there have been a few instances where items that I hear people raving about just don't impress me. I always try a new item with my previous gear and then gear that should complement it if at all necessary to change gear.

I guess I'm just a freak.
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i would guess that perhaps arioc's could be more frustrating because the low end damage is pretty low...if you roll the low end of the damage spectrum and you dont get any deadly strike, you get a pretty poor hit. perhaps that left you high and dry too many times?
 
I personally love lancers. Being my first PvP build ever, I've learned plenty about them over the years. I've never thought of actually using ariocs for a lancer though, even though it could easily be a formidable weapon in the right hands....

First thing is first though - spears are the best possible 2h weapons in many places.

They have my absolute favourite of all time: Mancatcher. Lets take a good look at the statistics, shall we?

-20 base weapon speed (The fastest for a 2h weapon)
42-92 Damage (Not the highest possible, but close. The best being 60-124 Dmg for Glorious axe)
Range 5 (The highest range of any weapon)

Moderate requirements too, easily attainable with the right eq, leaving plenty of room left for vit.
Str Req: 132
Dex Req: 134

With BoTD, this is an amazing weapon that leaves all opponents in the dust (at least, in my opinion). It reaches the last WW bp and beyond, making it amazing for any secondary attack as well (zerk, conc, stun, etc.), has the best range, very decent damage, Plus it looks pretty damn cool too!

(Now you're supposed to chew me out for putting my opinion up....)
 
Inuyasha said:
I personally love lancers. Being my first PvP build ever, I've learned plenty about them over the years. I've never thought of actually using ariocs for a lancer though, even though it could easily be a formidable weapon in the right hands....

First thing is first though - spears are the best possible 2h weapons in many places.

They have my absolute favourite of all time: Mancatcher. Lets take a good look at the statistics, shall we?

-20 base weapon speed (The fastest for a 2h weapon)
42-92 Damage (Not the highest possible, but close. The best being 60-124 Dmg for Glorious axe)
Range 5 (The highest range of any weapon)

Moderate requirements too, easily attainable with the right eq, leaving plenty of room left for vit.
Str Req: 132
Dex Req: 134

With BoTD, this is an amazing weapon that leaves all opponents in the dust (at least, in my opinion). It reaches the last WW bp and beyond, making it amazing for any secondary attack as well (zerk, conc, stun, etc.), has the best range, very decent damage, Plus it looks pretty damn cool too!

(Now you're supposed to chew me out for putting my opinion up....)
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ok, ill chew you out. the sentence in bold makes no sense at all. not only is 42-92 (67 avg) nowhere near 60-124 (92 avg), but 60-124 isnt the highest damage you can do. a thunder maul (106.5 avg) is the highest and the warpike (105.5 avg) is a close second. the great poleaxe and ghost spear both do 86.5 avg damage at base [0] (both hit -60 with BotD). what on earth are you talking about?

moreover, why would you make a BotD in something which is not base [0]? great poleaxe, like mancatcher, looks awesome, has lower dex requirements, same range, and does a lot more damage. to only reason to use a mancatcher is if you are dying for the look (which is a great look).

i guess mancatcher could make a 2 handed fury, since it is [-20] and fury adds 40% ias. but that would be one weak pvp weapon...+200% damage and that weak base compared to +400% ethereal base [0]? probably a 4:1 damage difference.

i agree that it looks cool as hell though. having equipped pikes/lances/warpikes before, i was pretty surprised when the brandistock model was actually longer and larger. it is a killer weapon model. :thumbsup:. but its hella weak.
 
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