advice on a lancer please..

[forumfreak]

advice on a lancer please..

im building a lancer for the first time... i was wondering how to build him.

i wanted to make him a bo/ww barb so his stats should start like this...

ww: Max(?)
mastery: Max(?)
bo: max
battle command: 1
shout: (?)

then i wasnt sure about maxing out either natural res(BvS, BvZ, BvA?) or iron skin(for BvB).

i wasnt sure about gear also, but this is what i have so far

res gear:
full irathas, darkglow, hotspurs

bo gear:
+2 sticks x 2
+2 ammy
zerk armor
tarn
2 soj (maybe)

battle gear(im relying on CB):
gtoe
rcage


what would be ideal?

 

[Lorg1]

Lance is good for a speeder and there is a guide in the stickies for the build. In short max bo , mastery, ww, 1 to battle command and even split with nat res and increased speed. Ww not maxed until you got good enough speed and natural resistances on the level, that match your personal preference.


Irathas with nice ar (dex/str are a bonus) res rings, boots with 30frw high light and cold res and prism amu (mine use +1 prism with 57 cold and similar with 50 light on switch) combined with hawkmail are good enough to hunt down sorcs. No need for hots. 85 resistance vs fire is enough. Obviously gg rares are better than Irathas, but the gains you get vs the cost are not worth it. Atleast not to me.

Maybe need to add that vs good cold sorcs i use partial irathas (to get 20 more speed) and rare amu since hawkmail provides enough max res and the need to stack is greater than the gain from furher increasing the max res. Same goes 4 good fohhers but armor is naturally darkglow. Most often you dont need to take off the irathas amu...

Stats are simple. Enough str and dex with gear to use the Lance. Imho lances near 300 dmg are good enough (havent tested anything under 300, but even 29x should work).

Would not make a lancer for bvb.

Maybe someday i test Freds titan build for pvm, since my lance has 75 dura. Thanks to struikje for trading it to me :thumbsup: !

-Lorg

 

[forumfreak]

Lance is good for a speeder and there is a guide in the stickies for the build. In short max bo , mastery, ww, 1 to battle command and even split with nat res and increased speed. Ww not maxed until you got good enough speed and natural resistances on the level, that match your personal preference.


Irathas with nice ar (dex/str are a bonus) res rings, boots with 30frw high light and cold res and prism amu (mine use +1 prism with 57 cold and similar with 50 light on switch) combined with hawkmail are good enough to hunt down sorcs. No need for hots. 85 resistance vs fire is enough. Obviously gg rares are better than Irathas, but the gains you get vs the cost are not worth it. Atleast not to me.

Maybe need to add that vs good cold sorcs i use partial irathas (to get 20 more speed) and rare amu since hawkmail provides enough max res and the need to stack is greater than the gain from furher increasing the max res. Same goes 4 good fohhers but armor is naturally darkglow. Most often you dont need to take off the irathas amu...

Stats are simple. Enough str and dex with gear to use the Lance. Imho lances near 300 dmg are good enough (havent tested anything under 300, but even 29x should work).

Would not make a lancer for bvb.

Maybe someday i test Freds titan build for pvm, since my lance has 75 dura. Thanks to struikje for trading it to me :thumbsup: !

-Lorg

Thanks Lorg, i was thinking the guides were outdated. and wouldnt work so well now. but i guess they will!!

anyways,
just traded a 243 dmg lance!! whoohoo!!

 

[forumfreak]

sorry to double post but i couldnt edit my post..

an update to my build:

Skills:
Battle Orders: 20
Mastery: 20
Whirl Wind: 20
Natural Resist: 5
Battle Command: 1
Prereqs(1):Howl, Shout, Iron Skin, Bash, Stun, Concentrate, Leap, Leap Attack

im at lvl 74 right now and i have 1169 life without BO (2560 with 29 BO).
My WW damage is at 371-1639 (also with 29 BO)

My lance:
Beast Gutter Lance
Damage: 73 to 344
Dura: 25 :sad2:
+2 Barb Skills
20% IAS
173% ED
+9 Max Damage
131 AR
2-9 Fire Damage
Socketed with PSkull
3% Mana Leech
4% Life Leech

My Gear is currently full Irathas set, i havent gotten any good rings yet but im hoping some good ressy ones. Right now i have Angelic rings so when a barb duels i switch my Iratha Ammy for an Angelic one for AR. i also have Hawkmail and Rattle Cage for switch. Gtoe was the only boots available to me, hopefully i come across something more useful like Treads of Cthon(?).

In Hell my Res looks like this, with Hawkmail on...
Fire: 64
Cold: 79 (64 if i wear RC)
Lightning: 64
Poison: 64

For FBallers i have a Nokozan Ammy for the 50 Fire Resist.
Fire: 77
Cold: 42
Lightning: 27
Poison: -3

any ideas on what i should do next? should i start to even out Natural Resist and Increased Speed?

 

[Lorg1]

Nice Lance! Looks pretty much like the old dupe that was everywhere back in patch 1.09 (europe) . Maybe you are playing non-ladder...

Your resistances are horrible for a speeder. You should stack cold and light. No point wearing full irathas if you cant take the andvantage of the increased max on resistances. Get some ar, resistance rings fast. Cthons are terrible boots. Just get boots with 30 frw with 3x res in cold and light. Preferably in fire too... Shuold be reasonable price if you dont need fhr on them.

As a speeder you should have placed points to increaced speed earlier... My speeder has 10 increaced speed, 8 natresistances. Haven't maxed ww yet. Atleast i max it last...

-Lorg

 

[fledgeling]

if you cant wear anything else, then use sigon boots - 40cr / 20frw

 

[forumfreak]

SIGONS!!! deng i forgot about those!! hahaha thanks fledge!

what are good resistance for dueling in hell?

 

[fledgeling]

you need:
a) 50 for hell (otherwise -50)
b) at least 125 res to stop the cold mastery (*)
level 20 cold mastery is -115 res, level 22 (+2 amu) -125
this means -5% per one +skill point
c) 75 to get 75 res
d) I think hawkmail adds 15 max cr and 15 cr
e) you can drink a thawning pot for additional 50 cr and 5% max


(*)Im not sure how does the cold mastery work however:
e.g. say your barb is completely naked
so he has -50 cold resistance
sorc attacks with a 100dmg attack with level 0 mastery
barb takes 100 dmg (spell) + 50 dmg (hell diff)

sorc has level x cold mastery which removes 100 cold resists
does it mean, that the sorc will make 100 dmg (spell) + 50 dmg (hell diff) + 100 (mastery)??
or does the sorc just do 150 dmg (no +100 from mastery)?\



btw if your lance does 335 damage with 173% ed
does it mean that a 200% ed lance would have 390 damage? and the +20 max mod would take it to 410? O_O insane

 

[Monzee]

btw if your lance does 335 damage with 173% ed
does it mean that a 200% ed lance would have 390 damage? and the +20 max mod would take it to 410? O_O insane

It doesn't do that much damage with the mods he listed. 114 base dmg * 2,73 = 311. Add to that the +max dmg for the correct ammount. MAX dmg possible on lance = 362

 

[forumfreak]

It doesn't do that much damage with the mods he listed. 114 base dmg * 2,73 = 311. Add to that the +max dmg for the correct ammount. MAX dmg possible on lance = 362

is that what ill actually do in PvP?

i never thought of that, good thing ww hits 329874234 times!! LOL

 

[Lorg1]

The lance is the old dupe so it cant be on ladder. Ed is just informed wrongly. All other stats (dmg included) are as i remember it from 1.09 patch... Even the ps gives it away. None would socket it with skull in this patch (25 dura lance).

Its very nice thought. I wish i had similar on ladder :evil: !

-Lorg

 

[forumfreak]

how many points do you suggest in leap?

 

[Lorg1]

how many points do you suggest in leap?

If you are building a speeder then none. If i build bva that uses leap ai tend to max it. Nice in team duels if you like that sort of thing.

Leap is not as powerfull in classic as it is in Lod, since for a barb its not possible to teleport on top of the opponent in classic (no enigma). It works wonders vs duelers that dont have reasonable amount of fhr, but on the otherhand if they dont have it then propably they are pretty poor or noobs and you dont need to jump on them. Just ww .

-Lorg

 

[forumfreak]

Lorg thanks for the advice... im still getting used to all this but i was wondering...


whats the difference between a Speeder and a BvA or BvZ... arent they pretty much the same? since a speeder should never duel a BvB.

also wouldnt leap take hdins out of their clag?

 

[Lorg1]

Lorg thanks for the advice... im still getting used to all this but i was wondering...


whats the difference between a Speeder and a BvA or BvZ... arent they pretty much the same? since a speeder should never duel a BvB.

also wouldnt leap take hdins out of their clag?

Typically, lancers are speeders. They should not duel vs other barbs with shields. 2h vs 2h can be done, but lance dmg is so random that vs martels and axers you will loose more often than not. Even with better gear.

Bva is barb vs all. Usually they use -req execs(2h vs casters 1h + shield vs barbs) or ancient axe and naga respectively(or bh and martel). They tend to put some into inc.speed and natural resistances but not many points. Usually they choose what they max after the obviuos ones between shout and leap. I dare say that most go for shout.

Why brake them out of their clag? When they suddenly appear next you. Finish them with ww. They just saved you the trouble of hunting them :thumbsup: !

 

[goomba1]

most people think of BvA as just one that stacks rez for vsing elemental casters.

that being said, if one doesn't use death's, or hawk against a cold sorc, and hasn't invested in inc. speed, and uses a short range weapon like a mart/bh you'll have a tough time catching any but the most inept of cold sorcs.

 

[Lorg1]

most people think of BvA as just one that stacks rez for vsing elemental casters.

that being said, if one doesn't use death's, or hawk against a cold sorc, and hasn't invested in inc. speed, and uses a short range weapon like a mart/bh you'll have a tough time catching any but the most inept of cold sorcs.

My personal preference for a Bva would be - req exec barb. That being said its sad to note that i'm not rich enough to acquire a deacent -30 req exec. So i allmost allways end up using naga and Ancient axe (range 4) combo on my BvA. Ancient axe is not very sought after weapon and a single soj one can purchase an ancient that is way over 240 with good stats (last ladder got 248 dmg with 6 str and fire dmg for 1 soj and one pretty useless rare).

For a Bva i tend to place 3 points to inc. speed. And get it to level 5 with +2 amu...

I usually end up building three dueling barbs anyway (speeder, bva and bvb).

-Lorg