About MH/chicken/etc being harmless...

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Onyx

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About MH/chicken/etc being harmless...

I've just been reading over some of the posts, and notice that many people feel that mh and chicken are not big problems because it only affects the user, not the community (other players in a game).

While this is true in a general sense, I am starting to feel (and be treated) as a looser for not using these.

Here is what’s been happening:

I join some baal runners where the barb is doing the running. It's obvious he's got mh because 3 times in a row, he gets to the throne in exactly the same time (and it's faster than my sorc could ever do using tele 3 times in a row). So next game, he starts complaining that I should be teleporting instead of him running. Fine. I do, but it takes 3 time longer than him. Name calling begins. Fine. I find another run, and try "just saying no" when asked to tele. Same result. Name calling.

In another incident, we're doing ancients, a zon tppks us, everyone chicken's out, and I get hit with the arrow. I survive with a sliver, and go back to town. The chickeners re-join, and want to finish off the ancients. The zon re-joins the party. I'm thinking: what are they stupid; I won't go back through the tp with a tppker there. The thing is: they (the chicken folk) don't care because they can't die to a tppker, but I can. So I refuse to go back, and once again, the name calling starts. They actually have the gull to tell my I'm a <euphemism>coward</euphemism> for not going back in! The guys using chicken!

Anyways, I’m just curious to hear what people have to say about the more subtle ways in which the game has been skewed because of these “lesser†hacks. Do you think I’m out in left field with this?

By the way, I’m Onyx. I am a casual player on HC USEast. I’ve been reading your forums for about a month now; pretty cool bunch of people here.

Oh, and if this topic has been discussed to death, I apologize.

Onyx.
 
about those mh and chicken

They change game is my opinion.


They change HARDCORE to softcore.. and thats the worst part of it.. The legit ones are more often in danger in that way.. but sometimes being legit is that you are really good in what you do, so you dont need any guides where those pesky demons are lurking.. you just take them when you run to them.. most of chicken users and mh users are just so weak players that they wouldnt survive in hell diff without it :D

-Arto-
 
Known bug/problem with pubbies. Blizz is working on it.

I got through NM tonight in 1.5 hours, all the while a zon sat in town and let me do the work. Quested through ALL acts. Of course I was running 105 FCR on a CL sorc, and this made things quick.

I wanted it this way because I went from 45 to 60 in this time and the merc followed suit - I like town leechers in NM, more xp for me. At the end he thanked me for a fast rush. I like nice people. :surprise:
 
Onyx said:
I've just been reading over some of the posts, and notice that many people feel that mh and chicken are not big problems because it only affects the user, not the community (other players in a game).

While this is true in a general sense, I am starting to feel (and be treated) as a looser for not using these.

Here is what’s been happening:

I join some baal runners where the barb is doing the running. It's obvious he's got mh because 3 times in a row, he gets to the throne in exactly the same time (and it's faster than my sorc could ever do using tele 3 times in a row). So next game, he starts complaining that I should be teleporting instead of him running. Fine. I do, but it takes 3 time longer than him. Name calling begins. Fine. I find another run, and try "just saying no" when asked to tele. Same result. Name calling.

In another incident, we're doing ancients, a zon tppks us, everyone chicken's out, and I get hit with the arrow. I survive with a sliver, and go back to town. The chickeners re-join, and want to finish off the ancients. The zon re-joins the party. I'm thinking: what are they stupid; I won't go back through the tp with a tppker there. The thing is: they (the chicken folk) don't care because they can't die to a tppker, but I can. So I refuse to go back, and once again, the name calling starts. They actually have the gull to tell my I'm a <euphemism>coward</euphemism> for not going back in! The guys using chicken!

Anyways, I’m just curious to hear what people have to say about the more subtle ways in which the game has been skewed because of these “lesser†hacks. Do you think I’m out in left field with this?

By the way, I’m Onyx. I am a casual player on HC USEast. I’ve been reading your forums for about a month now; pretty cool bunch of people here.

Oh, and if this topic has been discussed to death, I apologize.

Onyx.
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Thus is the life of us legit people on public bnet. You're not alone in this, but there arent that many people like us anymore.
 
MH = botting in my books. They can run faster than legit players, and as such gain more items in a shorter period of time than legit players. How is that any different from botting? I tolerate the use of MH, even from friends, but only because I know if I didn't I'd have to find a new game to play.

Chicken = softcore. Period. I know they can die, but they generally don't. I have no problem playing with chickeners (as I don't duel/pk) because I have never had a problem with softcore players, only with playing softcore. If for some reason they want to pretend like they're playing HC, so be it. Personally I think it'd be easier for them to come up with a color hack to change the avatar displayed in chat, but hey, to each his own. As such, what you described as how they harm legit HC players in the TPPK scenario, they don't. They just make it ever so much more obvious that you're playing HC and they're playing SC. Personally I'd rather lose an account worth of lvl 98 HC chars at 3.519b exp than have a softcore character at 99 who happens to have a red name in chat, but that's just me.

An annoyingly large portion of my f list uses one hack or another, and if they all got banned I'd be overjoyed. Until that day comes though, I just have to accept that these hacks ARE part of the game and live with it, and send screenshots of my friends' admitted hack use to Blizzard.
 
I was probably one of the ones you saw defending Sip in the other thread, dont get me wrong, I am not defending the use of maphack, I;m saying people are maybe overreacting a little bit, I mean, cheats in any form are "wrong" but he is basically doing near the least possible amount of cheating that is possible using maphack, and people make it seem as though he deserves no respect simply because he uses maphack.

He is my friend, and I know that despite his use of maphack, hes a really cool guy, and people dont seem to see that, and I guess I have a bias, knowing him beyond the maphack, and I know hes a really cool guy, but I should probably keep in mind that I would probably not give someone who my first impression was that they used maphack much of a second chance... I stick up for Sip because I know him, I cant honestly say I would do the same for someone I didnt know, I would probably react exactly the same way.

Anyways, I am also a 100% legit player on USEast, would you be intrested in playing together sometime? If so, my account is *Talarra.

I agree with Barry that the Amazon basin is a good place for completly legit players, I would bethere some myself if it were not for their anti pk stance, because I (legitly of course) pk a lot, I like hanging with people who respect legit pkers, which it seems, as a whole, the Amazon basin is a little... weak... at.

My opinion of maphack is that it is on various levels.

If people just use it for the map revealing and monster stats, its not a huge deal, with a teleporting sorc, I can usually find whereever I am going (thinking mostly WSK//Durance here, areas like the ancs way i am slower) only a few seconds behind maphackers, and yes, I do teleport hell baal without maphack when I hell baal with any sorc.

I dont see the map revealing as much of an advantage, the monster stats seem like a disadvantage to me... the way I play, I dont like clutter on my screen, a million red x's on there would annoy me and probably kill me more than save me, and I doubt I would read little text telling me what stats are on what monster... I would say screw it and run find out myself...

It seems like a small advantage, which i can live with, i dont LIKE it, but I can live with that aspect of maphack. Personally, It would take away from my enjoyment of the game, but hey, I dont use it, so I could really care less if other people use that aspect of it.

Chickenhack. This I hate with a passion. It truely does turn hardcore into softcore. There is no reason anyone should use this, its softcore with a red name. 95% of duelers use it (unfortunatly) I have missed probably hundreds of ears because of chickenhack, and I have seen countless people vanish instantly when anyone hostiles... its pathetically sad actually, that people cant enjoy hardcore without being invincible, do all these people really play to be on a powertrip so they can say they are so good because they havent died? Well guess what, you havent died because YOU CHEAT! You would have died 10 times if not for that hack of yours... Arg I hate chickenhack

I hate playing pvm or pvp with anyone using it, it takes away from EVERYONES fun, and it ruins the economy and the ladder (how many of those mf sorcs finding all these items, bot or not, would be dead if not for chickenhack, same with ladder runners with chickenhack)

Just my $.02.....

-Matt
 
Thing is, name calling SHOULD not bother me...but everytime I get scanned, commented on my gear or build because it is NOT the usual "über" build....it still makes my blood boil.

"sigh"...well..it's supposed to be only a game after all.

Too bad my KTA buddies are not always online and I still have to join the netherworld of pubbie play. At least I snatched up a butchers pupil today.
 
det said:
Too bad my KTA buddies are not always online and I still have to join the netherworld of pubbie play.
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Well I'm not ALWAYS online, but I am on a good portion of the time. I usually spend my non kta time working on my east duelers though. I came up with a great concept. I think I'm onto something but I can't be sure until I get all gear and build em.
 
Is there a new hack out there?

Talking about hacks.
I have learned to spot a potential tppk'er a mile away, and stays out of their way. But the other day I was helping 3 beginners with my lvl79 lightning sorc (great for Q-rushing) when a lvl 27 barb joined, np I thought. The barb came out and was running around with me, no other were near, he did not go hostile, and suddenly my life dropped to about half (normally in normal dificulty even diablo or baal dont touch me). In panic I drank a few life potions, but my life remained under half. At the same time the barb was going "Life? LOL" over and over again.
I quickly tp'ed to town, running to akara to get healed. On the way to here my life poped to full again. WTF was that?

Is there a new hack out there that I have not heard about?

Just for the record: I despits all cheating, all hacks and all the players using them. They should train, get better and join the real men and wommen playing like real warriors.

Regards
VanMuhr
 
Baranor said:
Thus is the life of us legit people on public bnet. You're not alone in this, but there arent that many people like us anymore. Try the amazon basin for more players like you.
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I wonder what were you up to say with this :scratch:

:teeth:
 
Just a quick question about what is considered 'legit'. If I take a ton of damage quicker than I'd like, and feel like I'm about to bite it, or often times when someone goes hostile, I esc-down-enter lickity split...Seems like this would be indistinguishable from chicken hack to people watching. Just wondering if this is considered cheating, or whether legit players do this also (since it does require recognition and reflexes on the part of the player)
 
Vectom said:
I wonder what were you up to say with this :scratch:

:teeth:
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im not welcome at the basin since im a *pretty* well known slaughterer of my fellow humans. the basin is cheatfree mature play and he might enjoy it?
 
WorldBinder, it is not very distingushiable in regular pvm, it is recognizable more when:
A. someone hostiles and 4 people exit at exactly the same time and instantly
B. In duels, people exit in mid attack, thats usually a sign of chicken, like if a kicker or jabber pokes you and you exit DURING the attack, thats some pretty damn fast reflexes, and usually indicates that the chicken was triggered, not that the person decided that on the second poke of 3 in the jab was a good time to exit.
C. They rejoin more than once, and have very close to the same amount of life, indicating chickenhack took them out of the game at a certian amount of life.

And no, manually exiting is not conscidered cheating and is not frowned upon in any way.

-Matt
 
Thanks for the tip about the amazon basin. I'll check it out, but I doubt they want casual players such as myself (and rightfully so - I play irregularly, so it would be hard to schedule).

Matt, I totally dig you publicly helping a friend. I would do the same even if I knew for certain that my friend was in error (although I would almost certainly verbally abuse the friend in private later on).

I don't really care about the "legit" vs "non-legit" part of the argument. It’s a game, people play because it is enjoyable (or addictive – hopefully at least both). In my initial post, I focus on the idea that the unpleasant behavior is _caused_ by the hacks, but really, morons will be morons (I hope I can say that in a public post), hack or no hack. I still think that hacks give those causing the unpleasantness more power though.

I guess it would be theoretically possible that a hack add to a game. For example, if some intrepid teen wrote and hosted a 6th act to D2 that required a third party program, that would be cool.

Do you guys think that is why people use hacks? Because they truly believe it makes the game better?
 
Onyx said:
I guess it would be theoretically possible that a hack add to a game. For example, if some intrepid teen wrote and hosted a 6th act to D2 that required a third party program, that would be cool.
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That's not theory, it's fact.
Well not technically a 6th act (that I know of), but mods can be fun. You can play them over open b.net so long as everyone joining the game has the same mod installed I believe, so no need for a private/pirate/whatever you want to call it server.
Generally they change items/skills/balance/story in such a way as to make it a new game with the same feel as diablo. Or that's how they seemed in D1, I haven't played any in D2 yet (nor do I ever plan to, I mean I'd have to give up MF time to do that O_O).
 
Isint mapquest that thing in your car that tells you where to go? If it is, ill take an onstar to track down my stolen vehicle......... errr..... ressurect my dead character.
 
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