A Small charm drop by baal (reroll or not)

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A Small charm drop by baal (reroll or not)

What's up?

I was killing baal in a full player game and a small charm dropped. Should I keep rerolling it and see what I can get or not?
 
Hell baal, i presume. Like grand charms, smalls dropped by baal have the highest ilvl, so they have a chance to spawn with the juiciest mods (e.g. +41-45 life on GCs, not sure on SCs). Keep it, definately. The number of people in the game doesn't affect the ilvl of the drops AFAIK, only the area you're in and where (who) it dropped from.

I hope the first roll coughs up a 3/20/20 for you.
 
I wouldn't waste the pgems. It sounds like it'll be useful, but chances of getting both Fine and 20 life on the same charm must be major low.

I guess it could come up 20 life/11 mana or something, but even then only with a lot of luck.
 
I'd roll it if I had extra PGems to do so, but I'd also put first priortity on the grand charms.
 
Evrae Altana said:
I'd also put first priortity on the grand charms.
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I agree with this. GC's have a better return rate, so to speak. You have a lot better chance of rolling a valuable charm on a GC than on a SC.
 
bg1256 said:
I agree with this. GC's have a better return rate, so to speak. You have a lot better chance of rolling a valuable charm on a GC than on a SC.
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Seconded. The only reason to reroll a small charm from Baal is to get the top-end elemental damage mods. 2-99 lightning damage is possible, with two top end lightning damage mods. It's also possible to get just slightly over 300 poison damage on a SC if you roll the right two poison mods.

If you're looking for a fine small of vita, there's much better ways to go about getting one. Lower ilvl charms will have a higher chance of producing one of these, because certain higher level mods won't be available. The countess charm, however, has nothing special about it.
 
I would reroll the Baal small charm until it gave me something useful. Just remember that with a Baal charm you can get any of the available mods so it can take a lot of tries to get something good.
 
Yes!

you should reroll it, and not only yours but
many others also since you can get some real godly mods on them !!11! :thumbsup:

















by the way...i have like 12 baal scs i am trying to get rid off since a month or so...wanna buy them? :badteeth:
 
Heres what I don't get. Is this thing about Baal gc's and sc's just hypothesis? I have had tremendous luck rolling any charm with a lvl req of 50+ no matter where the heck i find it. Most of the charms I rolled into good skiller/mods, have come from hell trav.
I don't see why it matters in the least what lvl monster/boss drops a charm, as long a the charm has a high enough starting lvl point.
I'm not trying to spout off about this, I just wonder if anyone can say for sure 100%, that the odds of a good roll go way up from baal drops. In my opinion, which is to be taken with a grain of salt, it doesn't matter who drops the charm, as long as its high enough. Actually I've never rolled a baal charm, but have rolled so many skillers i cant count.
 
The odds of a good roll don't go up with a Baal GC. It's just that Baal/Diablo/Nihlathak GCs can have mods that other GCs dropped elsewhere *cannot* have, most notably the 41-45 life mod, which makes this mod extremely valuable if coupled with the right skiller. So no, it's not just some obscure hypothesis.
 
In fact, if i remember correctly you have a lower chance of rolling a skiller from a baal gc than another gc with a ilvl high enough to be a skiller.

The big difference is, on the baal gc you have the possiblilty of having a skiller with 41-45 life as a second mod, which greatly add to the value of the charm.

On any other grand charm found in hell the maximum life that can spawn with a skill mod is 40.

EDIT: owned by Evrae....again.. :cry:
 
Please don't take this like I'm being smart with you, because I'm not. How do you know this? What link is available to show this as fact, other then "thats what I heard"?

the possibility of having a skiller with 41-45 life
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WOW....4 life...thats....uh...erm.....swell!

My point I guess is that alot of folks could be rolling charms, but they don't because they feel like they have no chance of getting a skiller/life mod charm UNLESS they get the charm from baal. Which is entirely untrue.
 
Ken the great said:
Please don't take this like I'm being smart with you, because I'm not. How do you know this? What link is available to show this as fact, other then "thats what I heard"?



WOW....4 life...thats....uh...erm.....swell!

My point I guess is that alot of folks could be rolling charms, but they don't because they feel like they have no chance of getting a skiller/life mod charm UNLESS they get the charm from baal. Which is entirely untrue.
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Why do think people buy stuff with perfect ED or resist, they want it because it looks better and sometimes actually is better.
 
conor rocks said:
Why do think people buy stuff with perfect ED or resist, they want it because it looks better and sometimes actually is better.
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Its called vanity and I personaly don't give two shats or a flying purple jesus about a few stat points. Its ridiculous that anyone does.

they want it because it looks better
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Well ghetto fabulous has come to D2.
 
Ken the great said:
Please don't take this like I'm being smart with you, because I'm not. How do you know this? What link is available to show this as fact, other then "thats what I heard"?
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Take a look here.
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic/largecharms.shtml

Pay particular attention to the "Vita" suffix. Look to the right and it says:
(77)[36-40](91)[41-45](110)[46-50]
This means that in order for the GC to get the 36-40 life mod, it must have an ilvl of 77 or greater, which most (all?) monsters in Hell at least have.
In order for the GC to get the 41-45 life mod, it must have an ilvl of 91 or greater, and only Hell Diablo, Nihlathak, and Baal satisfies that requirement. This is why only Hell Diablo, Nihlathak, and Baal GCs are so valuable.
We'll ignore the last part of the quote for now (the ilvl 110(46-50life)), since the only monsters that are ilvl 110 are DC and the Ubers, and they cannot drop grand charms anyways.

Of course, grand charms can also spawn with "lesser" life suffixes such as "of Life (+5-20life)" and "of Sustenence(+21-35life)", and these lesser life suffixes can spawn on GCs found earlier parts of the game.

Note-to the stats gurus, this Arreat Summit page isn't horribly outdated right? :undecided:

Ken the great said:
My point I guess is that alot of folks could be rolling charms, but they don't because they feel like they have no chance of getting a skiller/life mod charm UNLESS they get the charm from baal. Which is entirely untrue.
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There are many misconceptions about the game, and this is just one of many. The point is that you learn the correct information. If some others want to believe that "only Baal GCs can spawn with +life", then that's their own misfortune. Perhaps the misconception arose when people misread the things they see, or perhaps it's because some people have the tendency to believe anything they hear in a public Baal game.
 
For many people, having a skiller with 41+life is just nec-plus-ultra...imagine you have 500+ hrs at your disposal, will you accept "crap" like plain paladin combat gcs in your inventory?

/end sarcasm

Thats just the way it is, we all know that some life won't make the difference, but anyhow these charms are scarcer and ver much sought-after if the skill is a valuable one. The are heavily duped too, at least here on East.

My point I guess is that alot of folks could be rolling charms, but they don't because they feel like they have no chance of getting a skiller/life mod charm UNLESS they get the charm from baal. Which is entirely untrue.
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You are right. You can just reroll normal charms and stop as soon as you get a skiller, then trade it away.

However, think about this:

40 perfect gems=pul
13 rerolls in a pul (3x13= 39 pgems)

It takes habitually 20-22 rolls to get a skiller
and not all skillers are worth something (worth at least pul)


If you reroll just one valuable skiller with more than 40 life you will be rich...so yes it is worth it to burn like 500+ perfect gems to get one.
 
Excellent info Zalcitabine. Straightened a few things out there. Just hear so many people talkin out their necks, not so much on this forum but rather in game, that I get tired of unsubstantiated info. Obviously you know what the hell your talking about.
I have become somewhat of a Pgem junkie. I have rolled a full forty on a charm with no results. However once I rolled a Pcomb 22 lifer on the first try. D2's equivalent to scratch-off lottery tickets.

Thx again for the clearafication!
 
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