1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

[RobbyD]

1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

I've been running 1.10a Hell Andy for a while now (concurrent with working on Gauss, my 1.13 Teslot), and I'm rather positive she's quest bugged, because she drops GOOD! Along with the unique jewelry (excepting the elusive BKWB), she drops the heck out of rare jewelry/jewels and exceptional uniques - I've gotten War Travs, Shaftstops, Skullder's Ires, Vamp's Gazes, Hone Sundans, etc. from her at a MUCH higher rate than 1.09 Mephy ever thought about dropping. My advice to anybody needing anything like that is to run Andy.

Anyway, she also drops the low-end 1.10+ elite uniques a lot too - I've gotten Bonehews, Djinn Slayers, Demon Limbs, Stoneravens, Razor's Edge, etc.

Now I know Demon Limb is handy for it's charges of Enchant, and Stoneraven is, well, not overly useful, but I'm curious if people ever use items like Bonehews, Djinn Slayers or Razor's Edges for anything.

 

[Greebo]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Yes, Andy is quest bugged. To quest bug her it's enough to take Warriv to Act 2 after killing her.

SevenOfDiamonds made a character using Djinn Slayer recently. I'm sure you can find it, as I'm too lazy

Other than that, I don't recall any of the items you mention being useful. Except for charges on Demon Limb, of course.

EDIT: OK, maybe I'm not too lazy: http://www.purediablo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=793224

 

[Dodgydave]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Unfortunately with runewords being massively overpowered most of the uniques you mention have few end game uses in 1.13.

Only the elite of the elite uniques can really hold up to Griefs, Deaths, Oaths and so forth.

 

[Noodle]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

I keep Bonehew on switch on my Blizzsorc, for running Baal. The Corpse Explosion charges make dealing with the Cold Immune skeleton mages in the second wave of Baal's minions a breeze.

 

[Greebo]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Oh yeah, I remember doing that. It's a tough call between beta-CtA (which you do have) and Bonehew ('HelHel' in the sockets, ofc) on a Baal running Blizzsorc.

PS. I still cannot get used to Noodle being Green. And the avatar... You realize that you're scaring off newbies, rite?

 

[NagisaFurukawa]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Aside from what's already been mentioned, Bonehew can be used on a CTC based necromancer, and Razor's Edge is a decent temporary option for something like a Liberator. As you might imagine though, none are even close to the top of their class for more regular uses.

Unfortunately with runewords being massively overpowered most of the uniques you mention have few end game uses in 1.13.

It depends what you mean by "end game uses". It's true that certain runewords are significantly more powerful than their unique counterparts could ever hope to be, but that doesn't necessarily take anything away from the ability of uniques to take your through Hell, whether it be by need or desire.

Aside from that, I agree.

 

[Noodle]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

PS. I still cannot get used to Noodle being Green. And the avatar... You realize that you're scaring off newbies, rite?

Ah, yes, but I'm also attracting newbies of a very different type! :thumbsup:

 

[Greebo]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Yes. Non homo sapiens sapiens primates.

 

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Unfortunately with runewords being massively overpowered most of the uniques you mention have few end game uses in 1.13.

Only the elite of the elite uniques can really hold up to Griefs, Deaths, Oaths and so forth.

Heh, I'm guilty of that :whistling:

My Teslot has beta Crescent Moon, Delirium, and Call to Arms, as well as Treachery and Spirit equipped. The only major non-RW item is a HoZ.

I remember a thread about using items that you normally don't use - I think a uniques-only character might be a fun project down the road.

 

[scrcrw]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

You could make a Mat/Pat like this. Alternatively just make a lot of Iron Golems.

 

[Dodgydave]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

It depends what you mean by "end game uses". It's true that certain runewords are significantly more powerful than their unique counterparts could ever hope to be, but that doesn't necessarily take anything away from the ability of uniques to take your through Hell, whether it be by need or desire.

Aside from that, I agree.

Well let's say they have little use as end game equipment on any build where a player is looking to optimise the build's damage output/effectiveness, something I'm assuming RobbyD is looking to do given the wealth of overpowered runewords/items he has accrued from prior versions before starting 1.13.

Of course you can argue any item has an "end game use" if your really want to and I'm sure plenty of people have Mat/Patted characters using the lower-end elite uniques.

However, if you have the massively overpowered pre-1.13 items and a plethora of 1.13 runes I maintain the elite uniques have few (I didn't say "no") end game uses.
:wink:

 

[Greebo]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

However, if you have the massively overpowered pre-1.13 items and a plethora of 1.13 runes I maintain the elite uniques have few (I didn't say "no") end game uses.

Elite Uniques only (not even listing class-specific items):

- Shako, Kira's, Andy's, Griffon's, Nightwing's
- Ormus, Glad Bane
- Stormshield, HHG
- Windforce, Wizardspike, The Reaper's Toll, Tomb Reaver, Azurewrath, Lacerator, Death's Web

Those are often very very top choices for various builds, depending on what you want to do. I wouldn't call it "few".

The main problem with Elite Uniques is completely different. Runewords have much much lower rlvl. That's the main source of the awesomeness of RW's. For some builds, they are the top choice, but let's not go over the top. Elite Uniques rule in many situations.

 

[Dodgydave]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Elite Uniques only (not even listing class-specific items):

- Shako, Kira's, Andy's, Griffon's, Nightwing's
- Ormus, Glad Bane
- Stormshield, HHG
- Windforce, Wizardspike, The Reaper's Toll, Tomb Reaver, Azurewrath, Lacerator, Death's Web

Those are often very very top choices for various builds, depending on what you want to do. I wouldn't call it "few".

The main problem with Elite Uniques is completely different. Runewords have much much lower rlvl. That's the main source of the awesomeness of RW's. For some builds, they are the top choice, but let's not go over the top. Elite Uniques rule in many situations.

Funnily enough i was referring to the elite uniques mentioned in the OP. Djinni Slayer, Razor's Edge etc.

If this was a thread about Andy dropping Death's Web, Stormshield, Windforce and Azurewrath then you'd be right.

Funnily enough it's not.

Read the thread first and don't drag my post out of context please.

 

[Greebo]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Easy. Didn't think I was. In your last post you seemed to be making much more general statements than in your first post. Hence my reply.

 

[Dodgydave]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

For some reason I figured the thread was about the elite uniques which Andy drops, most of which do not have end game uses on most builds, if you have access to higher end items, namely runewords.

I'm not sure why the topic of the thread would have changed between my two posts. :shrug:

 

[RobbyD]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Now, now guys, I didn't want to start a flame war. Shako is a classic and Andy drops those, and the 1.10a Nosferatu's is a keeper, too. I'm coming from 1.09 where options for endgame weapons is MUCH more limited, so all these neat new elites have me intrigued but puzzled.

The Djinn Slayer is pretty cool... I'd like to put one of those to use at some point. That Stoneraven though... WTH??? No way that touches an upped Lycanders Flank.

 

[Greebo]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Well, I never played anything before 1.11 (except 1.07 recently), so it's no suprise for me, but it might be more of a news for you: 1.10 is full of unique items that are good for nothing else than showing digits in Flavie. Like Stoneraven. Some of the items just seem like the designers thought "we need some useless uniques too, so that people don't get too excited by a gold item on the ground". My impression anyway.

 

[potter]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

Stoneraven - Fend and/or Impale. Skills, decent damage and resists. Maybe dd some pdr/slow monster to it. Impale is horribly slow though. (Beware of the D/A/E bug)

Djinn Slayer - (-20 wsm), 2 sockets, loads of fire damage, ED% to demons. Make a theme build 'Demon Hunter', sporting LoH/Black Hades/Djinn Slayer/Seraph's Hymn; or something that takes advantage against enemies with little fire resistance. Enchantress perhaps.

Razor's Edge - Lots of ias, huge DS/OW, -33% TD. Axe Frenzyer perhaps, though there's a reason I call this one the kid brother of Death Cleaver.


If you put your mind to it, there's almost always a way you can build around an item if you want to.

 

[mouseman1]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

I just love uniques over runewords. That's one of the reasons why I play 1.09 - I've always thought that uniques should be the best items available. I actually made a really cool uniques only avenger in 1.13 a while back. He used stormlash, andy, metalgrid, guardian angel, hoz, string of ears, war travelers, bk ring and raven frost. He was powerful enough and, funnily enough, quite unique in the realms. So I think people underestimate some of the uniques, althought I know I won't win an argument which items are more powerful.

 

[jiansonz]

Re: 1.10a Andy drops NICE - what do people do with Djinn Slayer, Razor's Edge, etc?

I love finding Elite Uniques, espcially those I have no idea what they do! Of course, most of them aren´t particularly well suited for the character I am playing (my only Bonehew this far was found in a tourney where uniques were not allowed...) or have too high requirements, but it´s even more fun when they are useful. In one of the pass-it-on tourneys, I played the last two acts with a barbarian merc using an ethereal Bloodmoon (unique Elegant Blade). It takes a LOT for a one-handed weapon to be viable for this merc in the late game and beat the two-handers available, but this blade delivered. Another barb merc I had ended the game with Doombringer, which was also a cool experience.

If you want to play with all-uniques in a potentially weird situation, join the Gold Diggers tournament. My Blaze/GSpike/FW Sorceress there is just about to start Hell difficulty.