Final Fantasy Forum Mafia Game Thread

[Bad Ash]

Again, i did not say pushing defensive roles to claim was a scum thing. I said that it was more likely to help scum than town, and wanted BA to tell me *why* he wanted to know more about my power, and how it would help town more than scum if I told him more.

The *why* is I think we are in MYLO and LYLO and I am going to vote to have you lynched without clarification because you very easily can have a killing role based off of the description I have read. And you agree and think we are in LYLO and yet you still refuse information. That's scummy as hell. We've probably reached a point where any further explanation will make me think you are lying.

Also, I do not trust coju one bit at all. I really don't like how he is piggy backing.

 

[FredOfErik]

Also, I wasn't agreeing with you on your guess FoE. I was just saying we can limit the possible powers he can have. Without hearing what he has to say to defend himself about it though, I'm reluctant to vote, along with the above mentioned and incorrect LYLO concerns, which are just MYLO concerns.

His claim is not more vague than "I am a white mage." You, however, have given more information since, and he has not. So, his claim is currently the vaguest of all the claims anyone has made, including the further information they have given.

FoE: Do you think I should share more information with the town about what my power does? So far it's just been BA pushing for me to share that, and drawing very nebulous connections between myself and technomancer.

I have given more information since because you pushed me to do so. And how is his claim more vague than "squire, no abilities"? What does town gain from him full claiming?

As for your last question: since we don't have any way to confirm or deny any role or ability except for lore knowledge, i don't think any player that is not forced to do so should reveal anything that could potentionally help scum more than town. However, I think that both you and aaa are forced to do so.

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

BA: Unvoting me right now just went a long ways towards making me feel you're less scummy. I don't know if it's irrational or not, but it's the truth, hmm. I guess I just don't see why if you were scum you would unvote me right now, so you're probably not. I am very certain I will share further information about my powers with the town before the end of today, for what that's worth. I would very much like to hear from Goldtru/Zokar and more from coju first though. I don't especially mind giving the information if it's what it'll take to keep the town from mislynching when we can't afford to.

FoE: He claimed to have abilities, which means there is more information to give. Someone who claims to have no abilities, has no more information to share. I want to know his past actions, because "help his fellow combatants" could mean all sorts of things, and somewhere in there there could very well be information for the town that doesn't help the scum.

Why do AAA and myself have to give more information, but coju shouldn't? Lore wise, any one of the three of us can have killing powers. Only I have been confirmed to have my role, so any one of them could also be fake claiming(though as I said before, fake claiming doesn't seem to have a purpose in this game so I find that doubtful).

 

[FredOfErik]

Why do AAA and myself have to give more information, but coju shouldn't? Lore wise, any one of the three of us can have killing powers. Only I have been confirmed to have my role, so any one of them could also be fake claiming(though as I said before, fake claiming doesn't seem to have a purpose in this game so I find that doubtful).

If you are town you need to claim to avoid to get lynched or to at least share all you know with town before you die.

AAA needs to claim to disprove that he is a strongman.

 

[Bad Ash]

Coju absolutely needs to give more info.

What kind of potions have you made? Who have you given them too? What do they do?

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[coju]

I've already stated that I am a chemist and that I have potions. It has been discussed that chemists' are able to use guns, but, sadly, I am only a level 1 chemist. I will not give anymore information about this subject, no matter how scummy it seems. Sorry

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

I've already stated that I am a chemist and that I have potions. It has been discussed that chemists' are able to use guns, but, sadly, I am only a level 1 chemist. I will not give anymore information about this subject, no matter how scummy it seems. Sorry

Umm. I'm not really okay with this. Not sure if I'm not okay enough with it to vote, but definitely not okay.

 

[Bad Ash]

I've already stated that I am a chemist and that I have potions. It has been discussed that chemists' are able to use guns, but, sadly, I am only a level 1 chemist. I will not give anymore information about this subject, no matter how scummy it seems. Sorry

Umm. I'm not really okay with this. Not sure if I'm not okay enough with it to vote, but definitely not okay.

There needs to be total transparency this day phase and anyone who doesn't agree is in contention for my vote. We've had TWO lynches and are most likely in LYLO. That explains itself.

 

[Zokar1]

BA: Unvoting me right now just went a long ways towards making me feel you're less scummy. I don't know if it's irrational or not, but it's the truth, hmm. I guess I just don't see why if you were scum you would unvote me right now, so you're probably not. I am very certain I will share further information about my powers with the town before the end of today, for what that's worth. I would very much like to hear from Goldtru/Zokar and more from coju first though. I don't especially mind giving the information if it's what it'll take to keep the town from mislynching when we can't afford to.

FoE: He claimed to have abilities, which means there is more information to give. Someone who claims to have no abilities, has no more information to share. I want to know his past actions, because "help his fellow combatants" could mean all sorts of things, and somewhere in there there could very well be information for the town that doesn't help the scum.

Why do AAA and myself have to give more information, but coju shouldn't? Lore wise, any one of the three of us can have killing powers. Only I have been confirmed to have my role, so any one of them could also be fake claiming(though as I said before, fake claiming doesn't seem to have a purpose in this game so I find that doubtful).

Taking his vote back isn't final, I don't see how you come to the conclusion he's less scum because of that.

As for your decision, it's yours to make dude. Live by the sword die by the sword.

As for me, vote: coju

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

Taking his vote back isn't final, I don't see how you come to the conclusion he's less scum because of that.

As for your decision, it's yours to make dude. Live by the sword die by the sword.

As for me, vote: coju

Haha, fair enough man. My point about him being less scummy is that I simply don't see a reason why scum would take their vote off me. I guess an argument could be made that he's simply making town feel that I'm further from being lynched than I truly am, so he and his teammate(s) can then swoop in and finish off the lynch, but since I think we arrived at the conclusion that today is not LYLO, and is only MYLO at most 33% of the time, that seems like a pretty bad move for them to make.

Any reasons for voting coju beyond his words today?

 

[Bad Ash]

When does the day end? Can't remember if it's today or tomorrow.

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[Bad Ash]

Just read this:

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Chemist_(Tactics)

And I want to ask others if it makes people think Coju is more likely to be anti town or less likely.

I have an answer but I want to see if someone else sees what I see.

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[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

Day ends in 6 hours and 5 minutes.

So, I'll give some more information about my powers.

Chakra gives me nk immunitie(s), and allows me to counter when I live through a night kill. However, the kill can only be executed the following night, it only works if I target the person who submitted the kill on me, and I can't vote the day after I live through a kill attempt.

I trust that tells you enough about *why* I didn't want to share my abilities with anyone, but I think having the scum avoid shooting me and FoE avoid trying to save me might make the benefit marginal this late, I doubt I'd have a chance to try to take out a scum unless we lynch correctly today.

 

[IWantToUseNumbersInMyName]

I looked at the link you posted, and I can't say I arrived at any conclusion either way as a result of it. I don't really see any analogues in mafia to any of the items, except I guess generic healing(doc powers).Unfortunately, that means that I don't really how any of the powers could be converted to disruptive mafia skills of the sort that scum would be likely to have. So I guess it makes him a tiny bit more likely to be town, but I think the lore isn't especially helpful now...what am I missing?

 

[Bad Ash]

I looked at the link you posted, and I can't say I arrived at any conclusion either way as a result of it. I don't really see any analogues in mafia to any of the items, except I guess generic healing(doc powers).Unfortunately, that means that I don't really how any of the powers could be converted to disruptive mafia skills of the sort that scum would be likely to have. So I guess it makes him a tiny bit more likely to be town, but I think the lore isn't especially helpful now...what am I missing?

Well I'm not sure I'm actually seeing anything which is why I wanted someone else to haha.

He claimed level one Chemist which seemed odd to me. In the wiki level two sounds like offensive capabilities are very possible. Could he's lived long enough to gain a killing ability of some sort. It might be a stretch though.

Regardless Vote: Coju

Numbers I still feel uneasy about you but I have not like a lot of what Coju has done and his aggressive Chemist stance makes me think he's lying or capable of things he doesn't want us to know.

I'd be OK switch to numbers as well but I'd much rather see this after today's events.

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[coju]

By my "level 1 chemist" claim, I meant I have no other powers other than my potion abilities.
Town, my actions may throw this game, I apologize to you.

Is my scumminess the failure to meet y'alls conditions of saying what exactly I can and cannot do? If so, I must say that is a pretty weak claim this late in the game.
Bad Ash, if you are Town, I would suggest that you stick to your numbers vote, since he seemed scummy to you before this incident.

From what I can remember:
Bad ash hasn't seemed to defend anyone all game, he seems like he knows nothing other than what he has read in thread, thus, town.

Fredoferik and IWantToUseNumbersInMyNameRarr both seem connected to me. One of them have defended the other, ever so slightly, and may know what is beyond just the game thread.

AAA, idk about. For some reason I was looking at him, but do not remember why.

Zokar and Goldtru, weren't they the ones who twitchvoted Drixx, then unvoted, then twitchvoted Moar? I'm surprised they're both still alive. Have been quite lately. Maybe trying to stay under the radar to keep the town pointing our guns at each other? ("Town" here consists of BA, ###, FoE, coju.)

 

[FredOfErik]

I do not like the almost complete ignorance of my arguments against AAA. Makes me even more suspicious of him.

 

[Bad Ash]

Day ends in 6 hours and 5 minutes.

So, I'll give some more information about my powers.

Chakra gives me nk immunitie(s), and allows me to counter when I live through a night kill. However, the kill can only be executed the following night, it only works if I target the person who submitted the kill on me, and I can't vote the day after I live through a kill attempt.

I trust that tells you enough about *why* I didn't want to share my abilities with anyone, but I think having the scum avoid shooting me and FoE avoid trying to save me might make the benefit marginal this late, I doubt I'd have a chance to try to take out a scum unless we lynch correctly today.

I really want this to be true cause that's an awesome role haha.

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[Bad Ash]

By my "level 1 chemist" claim, I meant I have no other powers other than my potion abilities.
Town, my actions may throw this game, I apologize to you.

Is my scumminess the failure to meet y'alls conditions of saying what exactly I can and cannot do? If so, I must say that is a pretty weak claim this late in the game.
Bad Ash, if you are Town, I would suggest that you stick to your numbers vote, since he seemed scummy to you before this incident.

From what I can remember:
Bad ash hasn't seemed to defend anyone all game, he seems like he knows nothing other than what he has read in thread, thus, town.

Fredoferik and IWantToUseNumbersInMyNameRarr both seem connected to me. One of them have defended the other, ever so slightly, and may know what is beyond just the game thread.

AAA, idk about. For some reason I was looking at him, but do not remember why.

Zokar and Goldtru, weren't they the ones who twitchvoted Drixx, then unvoted, then twitchvoted Moar? I'm surprised they're both still alive. Have been quite lately. Maybe trying to stay under the radar to keep the town pointing our guns at each other? ("Town" here consists of BA, ###, FoE, coju.)

I understand, the issue is we had two kills. I think both you and numbers/Fred may be all anti town.

I think the level 1 was a major slip and I think it's more evidence than we have against the others.

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[FredOfErik]

Fredoferik and IWantToUseNumbersInMyNameRarr both seem connected to me. One of them have defended the other, ever so slightly, and may know what is beyond just the game thread.

Wut? I have pretty openly voiced my suspicion of numbers during the last two day phases and right now my vote is on him. How is that defending?

As for Zokar and Gold: I pretty much trust Zokar completely. I cannot see a scenario where a scum player would have played the game the way he has. As for Gold, I am completely clueless as it feels like she has barely participated in any meaningful discussion.