CoolguyBad
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Unvote: Goryani
Vote: ThunderCat
It has to be done, sorry.
Unvote: Goryani
Vote: ThunderCat
It has to be done, sorry.
Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
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Caluin Graye
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Is your 'very good reason' because you want the town to lose? Cause that's the only reason I'm seeing here.
(By the way, it's a 'u', not a 'v'.)
No, it does not. We still have more than half the day left to us. We're not under a time crunch yet. And, as I explained, lynching TC is one of the worst moves we can make right now.
My proposed scum team:
KrazyIvan; Bad Ash; Sathoris; CoolguyBad; Zarniwoop; Technomancer
(This is mainly so I can reference back at the end of the game and see how close I came to deducing the scum team)
Is your 'very good reason' because you want the town to lose? Cause that's the only reason I'm seeing here.
(By the way, it's a 'u', not a 'v'.)
CoolguyBad said:
No, it does not. We still have more than half the day left to us. We're not under a time crunch yet. And, as I explained, lynching TC is one of the worst moves we can make right now.
My proposed scum team:
KrazyIvan; Bad Ash; Sathoris; CoolguyBad; Zarniwoop; Technomancer
(This is mainly so I can reference back at the end of the game and see how close I came to deducing the scum team)
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
If we lynch either TC or Mara, we get definite info. However, those might be really bad lynches for the town.
Mara investigated TC last night, and he claims that he found him to be pro-town.
My biggest suspect right now is Bad Ash. He's playing far too passively for him to be town. The only time he's reasonable in any way is if he's mafia.
Also, Sathoris, just repeating over and over "scum play" to innocuous actions or words doesn't convince anyone of anything.
We need to decide if we trust the two people that claim to have investigative powers or if we decide to believe them and go another direction.
My gut instinct is that TC is telling the truth and that lynching him is a mistake. But, I'll wait before switching my vote to Bad Ash to see what everyone thinks. I think three days without a lynch is starting to get dangerous as the mafia is unopposed so far because of it.
If we lynch either TC or Mara, we get definite info. However, those might be really bad lynches for the town.
Mara investigated TC last night, and he claims that he found him to be pro-town.
My biggest suspect right now is Bad Ash. He's playing far too passively for him to be town. The only time he's reasonable in any way is if he's mafia.
Also, Sathoris, just repeating over and over "scum play" to innocuous actions or words doesn't convince anyone of anything.
We need to decide if we trust the two people that claim to have investigative powers or if we decide to believe them and go another direction.
My gut instinct is that TC is telling the truth and that lynching him is a mistake. But, I'll wait before switching my vote to Bad Ash to see what everyone thinks. I think three days without a lynch is starting to get dangerous as the mafia is unopposed so far because of it.
CoolguyBad
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
I'm on my phone so I won't be able to fancy things like quote and that jazz.
Bad Ash, can you elaborate more on your reasoning for voting on Mara? If he really is cop, would this not be a huge blow for us? That would be the loss of 3-4 pro town power roles, depending if TC is lying or not.
Cal, I'm beginning to grow seriously suspicious of you. No, not because you think I'm scum, but ever since your comment on quick lynching Leo if she was to come back. You seem to be doing some seriously flip flopping. First you get mad at people who don't have time to lynch TC, and now when TC puts up some claims that we can in no way prove, you totally change your stance.
Even if TC turns out clean, if Mara is not cop, he will eventually slip up on his investigation, giving us time to lynch him also. It's a terrible idea for a mafia to fake role claim cop, because they'll have to many chances to slip up.
I'm on my phone so I won't be able to fancy things like quote and that jazz.
Bad Ash, can you elaborate more on your reasoning for voting on Mara? If he really is cop, would this not be a huge blow for us? That would be the loss of 3-4 pro town power roles, depending if TC is lying or not.
Cal, I'm beginning to grow seriously suspicious of you. No, not because you think I'm scum, but ever since your comment on quick lynching Leo if she was to come back. You seem to be doing some seriously flip flopping. First you get mad at people who don't have time to lynch TC, and now when TC puts up some claims that we can in no way prove, you totally change your stance.
Even if TC turns out clean, if Mara is not cop, he will eventually slip up on his investigation, giving us time to lynch him also. It's a terrible idea for a mafia to fake role claim cop, because they'll have to many chances to slip up.
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
I agree with your assessment, Zarniwoop. TC and Mara are clearly aligned. I'm leaning towards believing their claims, but am struggling to accept TC making two mistakes - whether his role acts during the night or during the day, and missing Val's modkill. Given his repeatedly demonstrated ability to track extremely complex games, they seem unlike him. The first mistake in particular seems out of character for him, almost like he doesn't have a role PM to refer to, and is making up his role.
I agree with your assessment, Zarniwoop. TC and Mara are clearly aligned. I'm leaning towards believing their claims, but am struggling to accept TC making two mistakes - whether his role acts during the night or during the day, and missing Val's modkill. Given his repeatedly demonstrated ability to track extremely complex games, they seem unlike him. The first mistake in particular seems out of character for him, almost like he doesn't have a role PM to refer to, and is making up his role.
CoolguyBad
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
If everyone switches to vote to Mara, I would go for it. But right now, TC is the only one close to a lynch, and we NEED a lynch to get some info.
If everyone switches to vote to Mara, I would go for it. But right now, TC is the only one close to a lynch, and we NEED a lynch to get some info.
LozHinge the Unhinged
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Finally found what it was I am looking for ...
TC expresses surprise at finding Feysal was "The City Slicker", as Valhauros was already revealed as "The City Slicker" [#298]. Note the use of the definite article. If someone is revealed as "The City Slicker" (on the face of it, a singular role), why would it make sense to tell people that he discovered another "The City Slicker". It simply doesn't add up that TC would assume more than one "The City Slicker" is in the game, or to fake finding another such role.
The only flaw in that argument is if TC had received Laarz's role as a result of strangling him on N1 and that Laarz was also a "The City Slicker". TC could then cover his tracks by stating that Laarz was a "Head of Security" or somesuch.
The elaborate lengths TC would have to be going to here, if he is scum, are a little too "Hollywood" for me. I don't believe it. I think he is telling the truth. Or selling the biggest, most labyrinthine whopper I have ever seen.
I still want to vote for Krazeyivan, but there is no market for this at the moment. The only other vote possibility I can get behind is Bad Ash - he is looking very dirty at the moment, with suggesting a lynch of claimed-cop Mara. Others have blipped on my radar now, but we need to try to get someone lynched.
Vote: Bad Ash
Finally found what it was I am looking for ...
TC expresses surprise at finding Feysal was "The City Slicker", as Valhauros was already revealed as "The City Slicker" [#298]. Note the use of the definite article. If someone is revealed as "The City Slicker" (on the face of it, a singular role), why would it make sense to tell people that he discovered another "The City Slicker". It simply doesn't add up that TC would assume more than one "The City Slicker" is in the game, or to fake finding another such role.
The only flaw in that argument is if TC had received Laarz's role as a result of strangling him on N1 and that Laarz was also a "The City Slicker". TC could then cover his tracks by stating that Laarz was a "Head of Security" or somesuch.
The elaborate lengths TC would have to be going to here, if he is scum, are a little too "Hollywood" for me. I don't believe it. I think he is telling the truth. Or selling the biggest, most labyrinthine whopper I have ever seen.
I still want to vote for Krazeyivan, but there is no market for this at the moment. The only other vote possibility I can get behind is Bad Ash - he is looking very dirty at the moment, with suggesting a lynch of claimed-cop Mara. Others have blipped on my radar now, but we need to try to get someone lynched.
Vote: Bad Ash
Caluin Graye
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
I've already explained my reasoning about that, which others have agreed with. I'm not going to repeat myself.
In fact, I'm glad you brought that up. In post #249 I state that we'd have no ability to confirm Leo's story without a lynch on her. So you're suspicious of me for using the lynch to gather information on Leo, but are pushing hard about doing the exact same thing on TC.
Flip-flopping is what a good townie does. Suspicious of everyone, revisit who's the scummiest at each day, evaluate who's the best option for a lynch, and gather as much information from that as possible. Yesterday, TC was our best option for a lynch. Today, he is our worst.
It's a scum move to push on a single person day in and day out, unless you're the cop. However, since I'm operating under the impression that Mara is the cop, then that doesn't apply here.
Every single thing the cop can determine about a player the mafia already knows at the start of the game. If mafia have reason to believe nobody will counter-claim, then it's actually an excellent idea for mafia to claim cop. He can then lead us by the nose. If someone does counter-claim, then mafia have found one town's best power roles.
I've already explained my reasoning about that, which others have agreed with. I'm not going to repeat myself.
In fact, I'm glad you brought that up. In post #249 I state that we'd have no ability to confirm Leo's story without a lynch on her. So you're suspicious of me for using the lynch to gather information on Leo, but are pushing hard about doing the exact same thing on TC.
Flip-flopping is what a good townie does. Suspicious of everyone, revisit who's the scummiest at each day, evaluate who's the best option for a lynch, and gather as much information from that as possible. Yesterday, TC was our best option for a lynch. Today, he is our worst.
It's a scum move to push on a single person day in and day out, unless you're the cop. However, since I'm operating under the impression that Mara is the cop, then that doesn't apply here.
Every single thing the cop can determine about a player the mafia already knows at the start of the game. If mafia have reason to believe nobody will counter-claim, then it's actually an excellent idea for mafia to claim cop. He can then lead us by the nose. If someone does counter-claim, then mafia have found one town's best power roles.
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Unvote: ThunderCat
With him and Mara obviously stepping up to bat for each other, they are on the same team. I'm still suspicous they are skum, but I don't *yet* have any proof.
The three people who are sticking out right now to me are KrazeyIvan, Noodle, and Bad Ash. Noodle has been almost dead quiet this whole game, and lurking usually means scum. Krazey has been lurking as well, but more active, and I need to go back and find out why exactly, but something he said earlier has me suspicious of him. I'm at work right now and can't really effectively get to back posts, but once I get home I'll reread the thread and find what I'm talking about. Noodle needs to go though, because he's not contributed a single thing to any discussion, and he's dead weight to the town if he ain't helping.
Vote: Noodle
Unvote: ThunderCat
With him and Mara obviously stepping up to bat for each other, they are on the same team. I'm still suspicous they are skum, but I don't *yet* have any proof.
The three people who are sticking out right now to me are KrazeyIvan, Noodle, and Bad Ash. Noodle has been almost dead quiet this whole game, and lurking usually means scum. Krazey has been lurking as well, but more active, and I need to go back and find out why exactly, but something he said earlier has me suspicious of him. I'm at work right now and can't really effectively get to back posts, but once I get home I'll reread the thread and find what I'm talking about. Noodle needs to go though, because he's not contributed a single thing to any discussion, and he's dead weight to the town if he ain't helping.
Vote: Noodle
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Because there is currently proof that they are pro-town, at least circumstantially, and that proof trumps my own opinion. I'm still going to follow my instincts and try to find more chinks in the story, But for right now the story that makes the most sense is that they are both town.
And also Despite my misgiving about them, they are contributing to the game, and when/if they are found as scum, all the jabbering they are doing will help us find the other scum. People like Noodle however, have contributed ZERO to the entire game. at least as a policy lynch, he needs to go, along with KrazeyIvan, but also because I think lurking is more scummy then making mistakes about intel.
Because there is currently proof that they are pro-town, at least circumstantially, and that proof trumps my own opinion. I'm still going to follow my instincts and try to find more chinks in the story, But for right now the story that makes the most sense is that they are both town.
And also Despite my misgiving about them, they are contributing to the game, and when/if they are found as scum, all the jabbering they are doing will help us find the other scum. People like Noodle however, have contributed ZERO to the entire game. at least as a policy lynch, he needs to go, along with KrazeyIvan, but also because I think lurking is more scummy then making mistakes about intel.
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Sigh, fine. I'll shut up. You do the sumhunting then. Enjoy.
Unvote: Thundercat
Lead the way.
All the town has is innocuous actions and words of people and focus in on them to proof they're not pro-town. But hey, who ever needed proof beyond suspicion eh?
Shiiit
Sigh, fine. I'll shut up. You do the sumhunting then. Enjoy.
Unvote: Thundercat
Lead the way.
All the town has is innocuous actions and words of people and focus in on them to proof they're not pro-town. But hey, who ever needed proof beyond suspicion eh?
Shiiit
LozHinge the Unhinged
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
I wish everyone who hasn't already spoken up and voted would now post with a vote and a brief one-line explanation.
Not hard, folks. Try it, you may like it!
Why aren't townies coming out with votes? I fail to understand why people who signed up for the game are not taking part in this vital game activity.
I wish everyone who hasn't already spoken up and voted would now post with a vote and a brief one-line explanation.
Not hard, folks. Try it, you may like it!
Why aren't townies coming out with votes? I fail to understand why people who signed up for the game are not taking part in this vital game activity.
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Despite voting for me I want to say THANK YOU haha. I swear I saw somewhere that someone said Feysal was a city slicker.
I have very good reasons for voting for marahumm and I think a lot of people are overlooking it.
Ankeli, you are having fun telling TC what to do with his role, so riddle me this batman, lets start simple because nothing else is.
If you were Marahumm, and you were a "cop" who would you have investigated? You have 3 nights, so go. here is what marahumm has claimed
Night 1. himself
Night 2. Leo who mysteriously dissapeared and no read could be had
Night 3. TC who stated who he was before mara investigated him.
The Leo one is reallllly rubbing me the wrong way and I don't like it. There was a large handful of other people more worth of an investigation. Marahumm is not who he says he is.
Despite voting for me I want to say THANK YOU haha. I swear I saw somewhere that someone said Feysal was a city slicker.
I have very good reasons for voting for marahumm and I think a lot of people are overlooking it.
Ankeli, you are having fun telling TC what to do with his role, so riddle me this batman, lets start simple because nothing else is.
If you were Marahumm, and you were a "cop" who would you have investigated? You have 3 nights, so go. here is what marahumm has claimed
Night 1. himself
Night 2. Leo who mysteriously dissapeared and no read could be had
Night 3. TC who stated who he was before mara investigated him.
The Leo one is reallllly rubbing me the wrong way and I don't like it. There was a large handful of other people more worth of an investigation. Marahumm is not who he says he is.
Caluin Graye
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
Nobody is asking you to shut up, only entertain the idea that there are currently scummier people than TC right now. There are a lot of other options to choose from.
A good option, for instance, is...
Vote: Bad Ash
Nobody is asking you to shut up, only entertain the idea that there are currently scummier people than TC right now. There are a lot of other options to choose from.
A good option, for instance, is...
Vote: Bad Ash
Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
I'm willing to be sold Bad Ash. I'm willing to be convinced that Mara is mafia or that you're not, but I need something to go on. I don't want us to make a mistake today.
I will admit that Mara/TC are the higher risk payoff, but the downside is a much greater chance of a town loss without a cop IF he's not false-claiming.
I'm willing to be sold Bad Ash. I'm willing to be convinced that Mara is mafia or that you're not, but I need something to go on. I don't want us to make a mistake today.
I will admit that Mara/TC are the higher risk payoff, but the downside is a much greater chance of a town loss without a cop IF he's not false-claiming.
Kraz3yIvan
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
This makes you deffo Mafia without a shadow of a doubt - the reason being is last night, I handed you an item that helps the town that I built - your 100% mafia that leads me to also conclude Bad Ash is not
Unvote: Thundercat
Vote: LozHinge the Unhinged
This makes you deffo Mafia without a shadow of a doubt - the reason being is last night, I handed you an item that helps the town that I built - your 100% mafia that leads me to also conclude Bad Ash is not
Unvote: Thundercat
Vote: LozHinge the Unhinged
LozHinge the Unhinged
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Re: Ravenwood Retreat Mafia Game.
BA - there is substance in what you are saying about Mara's choices, and the convenience of who he has chosen to investigate if he is trying to false claim.
Let's take a few factors out of the equation that you are suggesting ...
Night 1: Himself - check, standard behaviour
Night 3: TC - the subject of furious discussion Day 2, a failed lynch and an obvious investigation target
That leaves Night 2, Leo. TC may have been a better choice, as he was a lynch failure Day 1. That's one slightly suspect choice.
Marahumm - why Leo Night 2?
I currently find the weight of evidence against Mara, of a dodgy Cop claim, about equal to the weight of evidence against Bad Ash, of using partially misleading arguments to push his own anti-town agenda.
BA - there is substance in what you are saying about Mara's choices, and the convenience of who he has chosen to investigate if he is trying to false claim.
Let's take a few factors out of the equation that you are suggesting ...
Night 1: Himself - check, standard behaviour
Night 3: TC - the subject of furious discussion Day 2, a failed lynch and an obvious investigation target
That leaves Night 2, Leo. TC may have been a better choice, as he was a lynch failure Day 1. That's one slightly suspect choice.
Marahumm - why Leo Night 2?
I currently find the weight of evidence against Mara, of a dodgy Cop claim, about equal to the weight of evidence against Bad Ash, of using partially misleading arguments to push his own anti-town agenda.
