Re: Zombie invasion Mafia game.
Surprised to be alive. Let's tackle your concerns:
If Ankeli had been targeted for a night kill AND a doc save, then there would have been no night kill last night. The fact that Ankeli is still alive means one of three things:
1. He is scum.
2. Mafia targeted someone else to set him up.
3. Mafia targeted someone else because they believed he would be protected.
Since Ankeli has been extremely scummy so far, I don't see 3. as being a likely scenario.
So lynching Ankeli today means we learn a lot of useful info, such as who had it out for him if he's town, or who he protected if he's scum.
I don't see how I've been "extremely scummy" besides dropping hints on my possible role, which I'm not going to deny or confirm btw. So out of your options, number 2 or 3 is the correct option.
Ankeli is more likely to be mafia than a doctor. When someone wants us to think he's a doctor he's probably mafia. Using the Hippocrates line is unorthodox and I don't see why someone would use it other than make a point.
So why did you use the Hippocrates line, Ankeli?
Assuming I'm the doctor, to get inside the city walls to do my job in case the scouts need to target their night action. Assuming I'm something far more sinister than the doctor, perhaps for the same reason, to get inside the town walls to do my job (which in this case would most likely be infiltration and / or sabotage of food supplies etc.)
But the point is, I want to get out of the hands of the Z and inside the city walls to do my job.
An even less likely scenario for several reasons. One, a bus driving role is even less likely to be in this game vs. a doc. Two, as far as I am aware, only citizens inside the Town can use special powers. Which one of the 4 roles inside the town would you say is capable of being a bus driver?
To even suggest such an improbable event sounds to me like you are trying to concoct a plausible scenario to help out your scum buddy after accidentally screwing things up yesterday. You still haven't answered my question as to why we shouldn't lynch you, successfully this time, today?
I'm in no way affiliated with Noodle. At least that I know of. I also think there are power roles outside of the city walls too, ie. in the flash game there's the hit squad that occasionally pops up etc.
Ok I don't see Zarniwoop voting for Goryani then killing him. Dumb move and a waste of a vote.
Anyway, I wanted him dead yesterday and I want him dead today. Let's not prat around another day. Oh and where are these people who go out and find others? They're quite. Get off your rears and find our additional people with roles.
Vote: Ankeli
How would it be a waste of a vote when he didn't die to a lynch? He tried to, failed, and perhaps NK'd to get the job finalised.
And seriously, you'd rather lynch me (doc?) vs. Noodle (???) who's actually a far better source of information as far as player interactions go?
1. Lynch who you like, me or someone else.
2. His action seemed to be either precipitously risky if a townie and unlike a veteran player, or a clear mafia attempt to redirect.
3. I only lynch vote, in this or any other game, when I have grounds to believe the person for whom I am voting is both mafia and likely to be successfully lynched. I caught heat for it last game too, but that's just the way I play. If you go back to last game, you'll see that my catching heat for it was quickly followed by my being night killed by the mafia hitman, Gorny.
4. I don't think you should trust anyone in this game unless you've been informed by the moderator that that person is definitively on your side, whether through a role PM or a PM'd results of a night action.
You haven't answered the question I presented to you near the end of day 1 yet, I'd like a detailed answer please.
For your points: 1. This seems like something an anti-town player would say. Out of character for you. 2. Risky? Yes. I deemed it worth the shot.4. I wholeheartedly agree upon this point.
So Ankeli made a kinda,semi doc claim yesterday without being able to protect himself and didn't die last night. It seems unlikely
3. Stranded (not part of the town yet) survivors can post/vote normally. They cannot however use any sorts of abilities they might have until they join the town and become citizens.
I'm being set up for a lynch obviously. Why waste a NK when you can as easily get the town to do your job for you?
I can't ever trust Ankeli after some of the fast ones he's pulled.
:thumbup: I'm honored.
When I voted for Noodle, something about him just didn't seem to feel right to me. I second guessed myself, but last night I realized Something still didn't feel right. At first I thought that EITHER Noodle OR Ankeli had to be Mafia, but probably not both. As a n00b, I did not feel comfortable AT ALL about possibly voting for a Doc, but I'm starting to think that may have been the whole point. After reading and thinking quite a bit more, I think Noodle AND Ankeli are BOTH Mafia (especially considering Ankeli survived the night)! Here's what I think the chain of events really went like:
- Townies discussing too much strategy (which I think is a good thing).
- Ankeli tries to derail and largely succeeds (as did Sathoris, but aside from that, he hasn't actually DONE anything to invoke my suspicion... yet.).
- Folks get onto Ankeli though, and it looks like he may become a target.
- Ankeli drops a vague Doc reference in order to scare Townies away from voting for him (like me!), but no one seems to pick up on it.
- Noodle (coming to the rescue) brings it up. No harm, no foul. Yet.
- Then when Noodle so thoroughly explains that Ankeli dropped Doc, it seems a little over the top, pretty much condemning Ankeli at night (unless mafia), and itt's about the only thing of substance he added on Day 1.
- This brought most of the suspicion down on Noodle and he barely survived.
- Ankeli survived the night, which makes the whole thing look even more suspicious.
Now, if Ankeli really is Town, I suppose the Mafia may hold off just to not look too suspicious, especially since he's lynch-bait anyway. I'm having a hard time seeing all this playing out to their orchestration however, so I'm still very suspicious of Ankeli. Dropping Doc is suicide for Townie, but that may be exactly what he wanted everyone to think, yada yada. Recursion get's us no where. Ankeli's defense of Noodle in post #179 also looks suspicious.
I think I initially voted ignorantly, and for that I apologize, but I now think I was right for the wrong reasons. My Spidey-sense was tingling, but I put my finger on the wrong thing.
I about 80% sure Noodle and Ankeli are both Mafia. I've got my eye on a couple others, and I believe I've identified a few Townies, but I'll keep those (somewhat speculative) opinions to myself for now.
Good post here, speculation and analysis are key. I do however disagree with what you say in it. I'm not, and Noodle isn't dumb enough to associate ourselves on day 1 for no reason if we're both mafia.
Oh, and about the Ankeli/Sathoris connection. It was kinda odd how Ankeli immediately tried to distance himself from Sathoris in
the same post he dropped the Hippocrates thing. It immediately looked suspicious, but that could have been the point as well. If Ankeli was Mafia, but a Townie just happened to agree with him, openly distance so it looks suspicious to spread the Mafia taint around. I'm not trying to say anything definitive about Sathoris, I need to see more.
If Ankeli was just being glib and loose with that post, he sure opened up a crazy-*** can of worms! Could he just be the Village Idiot?!
And I'd certainly not be stupid enough to associate myself with two of my mafia buddies. I sometimes try to pull off risky moves, dumb even for personal gain, but not this risky.
I'll throw a wild guess: We know the game started with 22 players, and from what I've read, the Mafia tends to constitute a quarter of them, which in this case would be 6. Since it has been stated there are civilians and apparently a doctor role, I'd say there are 2 players of every starting role, which would leave 5 civilians. Despite being my first Mafia game, I believe I have a 68% accurate knowledge of everyone's role; at the very least, I know for sure who are both soldiers, both scouts, the citizen scientist and one of the scavengers. Therefore, I've decided to claim my Not-Mafia role... Why? Because I just learned the Mafia members know each other and have contact at the night phase, so it's useless to pretend that I might been of them due to them already knowing my alignment.
Moreover, I've come to the conclusion that Sathoris is a Mafia goon; he has been particularly aggressive to players who pose as neutral, with the apparent intention to make them seem as scum while being reluctant to be thought as one of them, hence trying to save himself by misdirection. I've chosen also him by ruling out the citizens and stranded civilians.
Vote: Sathoris
Nice OMGUS vote there pal.
what if all three are connected? it's a thought.
it's happened before and he's played crazy before. gg, Ank. :thumbup:
I accidentially already answered this above. Duh!
If I'm the only one that picked up on a few pro-town tells, I'll keep it to myself. No need to unnecessarily out my fellow townies.
You're not, I caught at least one I'm quite certain of and another one that's sort of "out there". Now, why would Noodle do the same thing to me for no reason and get away with it?
I won't, however, vote for Noodle as I'm still not certain of his scumminess. ITY on the other hand picked up a plausible doc claim and tried to put words into my mouth to make me appear worse. For that:
Vote: I_Told_You
onder: 
With Sath, nothing has really stood out to me yet as corroborating evidence, so I'm just reserving judgement.
