WW break points- more ias better?

[juicyfish]

WW break points- more ias better?

I read on one the the guides that when using whirlwind your weapon speed should be -35 (the breakpoint that all barbs using whirlwind should reach. But using the weapon speed calculator, when i turn the ias up to -60 and higher I get more frequent, speedier attacks.

So my question is this- is the calculator deceiving me?

or is it the more the ias is over -35, the better?

because i could get a giant thresher and put botd in it to get -70 ias, or save the runes for something else and put in a runeword with 30 increased attack speed to just get it over -35.

(giant thresher hsa speed of -10 base)

Someone please advise.

 

[Dahmer]

ww breakpoint that most barbs reach is 4fpa (xcept for the ppl that think warpike is best weapon) & with a giant tresher u need 49ias to get that & after that u cant get more attacks

 

[juicyfish]

so with -10 speed as base, i need a further 50 increased attack speed for my giant thresher to reach 4fpa???

with collosus blade (base speed 5) i only need 40 ias to reach 4fpa, a total weapon speed of -35.

so for giant thresher i need total weapon speed of -60, whereas for collosus blade i just need -35? seems slightly imbalanced or unfair.

With this in view, why do people use polearms when 4fpa is easier to achieve with a sword?

 

[Dahmer]

polearms have higher dmg & most have higher range 2 so imo its balanced

 

[Pucho]

so with -10 speed as base, i need a further 50 increased attack speed for my giant thresher to reach 4fpa???

with collosus blade (base speed 5) i only need 40 ias to reach 4fpa, a total weapon speed of -35.

so for giant thresher i need total weapon speed of -60, whereas for collosus blade i just need -35? seems slightly imbalanced or unfair.

With this in view, why do people use polearms when 4fpa is easier to achieve with a sword?

Range 5 over range 3 of swords
The breakpoints for 4fpa are -35 for all 1-handed weapons and all swords (even 2 handed ones) and -60 for the rest of the 2-handed weapons

 

[juicyfish]

if reaching -60 for giant thresher is not possible at the moment, which is better or worse:

-having giant theresher with more damage, more range but not hitting th breakpoint.

-having collosus blade with less damage, less range but hitting the break point.

which route would be more effective??

 

[rikstaker1]

polearms have higher dmg & most have higher range 2 so imo its balanced

Actually,Collossus blade 2handed(86.5) does more avg damage than giant thresher(77) & same damage as GPA & GS(both 86.5).But you are right higher range is where cb gets beaten.But cb offers versatility over polearms in that you can use a shield when there is a need.

Now you can do your **thing.

@juicyfish-if you are pvm,go with Giant thresher or GPA.

Razgriz

 

[juicyfish]

I know this sounds stupid, but what is GPA?

 

[Shanksie1337]

great pole axe

 

[juicyfish]

oh- great poleaxe sorry, just needed to think for a sec.
you advise me to go for polearm class, more range sure, but if i do not hit the breakpoint am I missing out on a lot of extra damage?
in which case would a sword be better, less range but more hits per second?

 

[kakarot]

well as ppl said, it depends on what you want!

PvM - take the 2hander - GPA (keeping whirls short still gets you that second bp even when your weapon speed is not high enough, but in PvM it's not necessary)

PvP - depends on tactics you would like to use, my advice: use zerker(s)(imo best overall weapon)

as for cb, i forgot that exists('cos i see no use for it - imo style is things you do more than things you wear).

good luck, k

 

[juicyfish]

thanks for all your help
i only pvm so i will go with a giant thresher with the best runeword i have the runes for (no zod for botd unfortunately!)
or i can hope to get a stormspire-maybe after 10 years....better get playing!

 

[rikstaker1]

thanks for all your help
i only pvm so i will go with a giant thresher with the best runeword i have the runes for (no zod for botd unfortunately!)
or i can hope to get a stormspire-maybe after 10 years....better get playing!

You'll go nowhere.Botd is the only runeword that takes giant thresher to lwbp.Stormspire sucks so bad in dmg its horrible.You must use a weapon that is lwbp,shortwhirls wont work well here.

Suggest you opt for bonehew or ariocs needle(~15 pgems)-they fit your budget & are fully endgame capable.Their range is 3 & 4 respectively,not much difference,but way better than stormspire or any range 5 weapon that isnt lwbp.

Razgriz

 

[Dahmer]

Actually,Collossus blade 2handed(86.5) does more avg damage than giant thresher(77) & same damage as GPA & GS(both 86.5).But you are right higher range is where cb gets beaten.But cb offers versatility over polearms in that you can use a shield when there is a need.

Now you can do your **thing.

didnt i explain that last time?

i use that *: o* a lot on msn, there it looks more like but here its & stands for Embarrassment
so all those times i should've used the EEK! smilie

ah well....i'll stop the ot now

 

[juicyfish]

thanks, but please clarify what shortwhirls are and how to do them.

and secondly, on closer look at stormspire, it does suck, i wonder why it is then in the last treasure class, that seems odd.

i do have an ethereal bonehew with two sockets, is that worth zodding for my polearm barb? the other socket could be a shael for ias, but i still think i would not hit the breakpoint, so that is no use. perhaps cham for freezing target, or the other rune (i forget the name) that ignores enemy defense?

 

[Dahmer]

eth zod'd bonehew is a bad idea imo for wwbarb, then you're limited to 50ias & thats only 6fpa ww

& short whirls is when u click like 1 mm next to your barb & it hardly moves -> short space moved -> short whirl

 

[rikstaker1]

Dahmer is right...you need 30% ias in bonehew sockets to take it to lwbp.

Razgriz