Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

[Gwaihir]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

1. How long has it been since you played mafia?
2. Have you ever played as mafia or anti-town?
3. Have you ever won a game as mafia or anti-town?
4. What was the most memorable, weirdest, or otherwise noteworthy game/role/scenario you have ever seen while playing mafia?

I'd like for a lot of players to answer these questions. Don't make me name names.

10 years in real life, never before online, which seems to be pretty different. Although in person once I won as part of the mafia team 3 times in a row. That was fun. Also made me get lynched first the next 5 times we played, even though I was a doc for one of them

Yeah ... it definitely is way to the good. But I found the translation within a few moments of the gibberish going up and kept that to myself. It is possible that the anti-town elements may never have been able to find out how to translate it and it could have been a big advantage if used correctly.

Now it's basically a player we won't lynch and the anti-town won't bother to kill simply because everyone knows he's a townie with a weird ability. With the translator linked for everyone, it's just an added layer to interacting with that one player.

I'd have rather kept things quiet and perhaps gotten some use out of the ability.

As I said before, I think the ability is a wash. I guess my question would be whether it is a targeted ability. i.e. will someone each day get instructions to use a certain code for their posts?

If it's a targeted ability, then it really doesn't tell us much. If it is an ability that is tied to the same person all game, then it's either a useless tack-on or it would take some cleverness to use it for the town's sake. As it is now, if it is a permanent thing, it doesn't seem likely to have much effect.

I would think that sharing the info would be better for the town. What specific info do you think would be gained from waiting?

Also, in the games I have read on this site so far, the post restriction seems to be a character trait. I guess it could be a targeted ability, but either way with the code broken and if his vote counts, it shouldn't matter. Just slightly annoying.

 

[corax1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

How long has it been since you played mafia?

TC's stargate themed game in the spf. my only real game as i don't include assrin's i had to drop out of early due to meatworld.

Have you ever played as mafia or anti-town?

was mafia in the SG game

Have you ever won a game as mafia or anti-town?

won the sg game. as mafia

What was the most memorable, weirdest, or otherwise noteworthy game/role/scenario you have ever seen while playing mafia?

well, i did get to eat people.


Just a thought, maybe the different language post restriction is the result of the other person being attacked last night. probably nonsense and either way it'd have to wait till next day phase to see if somebody else picks up a different language or it continues on.

 

[Gorny1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

*munches popcorn*


Votes are updated.

 

[coju]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

...Like Asrrin, I'm loath to side with Ankeli but talk about hitting every scum tell. I wasn't here for last time but that's an awful defense line you went for right there.
Vote: zemaj

Don't forget we need 13 votes needed to lynch, folks. If we fail to get a lynch today I'll be coming after anyone who doesn't put their vote where their mouth is...

I know you tried to defend yourself later (quoted below), but why would you come after those who don't vote? Is it because you're mafia and the townies aren't trying to lynch a fellow town? Or because you know zemaj is scum and those who don't vote are obviously scum?

tsk tsk...

Yeah ... it definitely is way to the good. But I found the translation within a few moments of the gibberish going up and kept that to myself. It is possible that the anti-town elements may never have been able to find out how to translate it and it could have been a big advantage if used correctly.

Now it's basically a player we won't lynch and the anti-town won't bother to kill simply because everyone knows he's a townie with a weird ability. With the translator linked for everyone, it's just an added layer to interacting with that one player.

I'd have rather kept things quiet and perhaps gotten some use out of the ability.

And why didn't you post this information for the rest of us? This clears Val and singles you out.

tsk tsk...

What? No, that was my first post today, made as soon as I finished reading the thread. If Val hadn't posted the translator I would've shared my findings...unlike someone else here.

Drixx- would you explain how flub's restriction 'could have been a big advantage' if only you had it figured out? I really don't get the logic of keeping such a thing to yourself.

emphasis mine. This is redeeming... -1 tsk...

As I said before, I think the ability is a wash. I guess my question would be whether it is a targeted ability. i.e. will someone each day get instructions to use a certain code for their posts?

If it's a targeted ability, then it really doesn't tell us much. If it is an ability that is tied to the same person all game, then it's either a useless tack-on or it would take some cleverness to use it for the town's sake. As it is now, if it is a permanent thing, it doesn't seem likely to have much effect.

I quoted you for some reason, don't remember know...

tsk...

So you'd vote for someone just because his defence on basically a bull**** case isn't good enough. I'm sorry sir but I'll much rather take a no lynch today. It's not a lost day. Power role's got information. Scum want an extra dead townie though.

In fact I'd go for lynching you but then I'd be doing the same thing that I'm trying to lynch you for.

No lynches are fine. The only thing doesn't provide is the information of who that person was. There will more than likely be a death in the night, which is almost guaranteed to be town, so either way we're -1 town and still +# scum. If we happen to decide on one to lynch, and they turn up mafia, win win. If they turn up town, we look at the voters.

 

[coju]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

1. How long has it been since you played mafia?
2. Have you ever played as mafia or anti-town?
3. Have you ever won a game as mafia or anti-town?
4. What was the most memorable, weirdest, or otherwise noteworthy game/role/scenario you have ever seen while playing mafia?

I'd like for a lot of players to answer these questions. Don't make me name names.

Just so you don't start pointing fingers at those who didn't answer this list...

tsk tsk...

1. Month-ish?
2. No.
3. Yes, the one time I didn't play as mafia or anti-town.
4. Forum based mafia. It is strange in and of itself! EVERYTHING is looked at 15 times by 8 people who look at stuff more than once just to see what the other person said.

Guess I'm going to have to get my paranoid/scitz mindset out. (Everybody is everything and always looking and listening) (Go ahead you 8 people, read into this that I'm the crazy doc or whatever! Crazies.)

 

[corax1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

1. Month-ish?
2. No.
3. Yes, the one time I didn't play as mafia or anti-town.
4. Forum based mafia. It is strange in and of itself! EVERYTHING is looked at 15 times by 8 people who look at stuff more than once just to see what the other person said.

answers 2 and 3 don't line up. you say you've never played as mafia/AT then turn around and say the only time you've won is when you weren't playing as mafia/AT. care to elaborate?


also i think you be a crazy doctor:scratchchinthis is a joke. hence a smiley)

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

So you'd vote for someone just because his defence on basically a bull**** case isn't good enough. I'm sorry sir but I'll much rather take a no lynch today. It's not a lost day. Power role's got information. Scum want an extra dead townie though.

In fact I'd go for lynching you but then I'd be doing the same thing that I'm trying to lynch you for.

Okay, let's run the numbers on this shall we?

Let's say there are 26 people in the game (Which I believe is accurate) and let's say 4 are anti-town. Right now the ratio is 4 bad to 22 good. That is .18 repeating.

If we do nothing today and proceed onto the night phase, the most likely outcome is we lose a townie, bringing the ratio to 4 bad to 21 good, or .19.

If we assume there is no way for us to make an intelligent lynching on day one, we still have roughly a 20% chance to eliminate a mafia, which drastically shifts the odds in our favor to .1363 (last two digits repeating) before the night and assuming they kill a townie to .143.

If we mess up and lynch a townie, it has a much smaller impact to the bad than lynching a mafia has to the good. Since the anti-town is severely limited in numbers, it is always to the best interest of the town to attempt to kill them, even on day one. In fact, the odds are never really better for us than they are now. As we get killed off during the nights, it becomes more and more likely that the anti-town wins. Doing nothing only hastens our downfall.

This feels counter-intuitive because unless someone messes up, we have a higher chance to lynch one of our own than to lynch an anti; however, because we have so many more lives to work with the math works out in our favor. Remember, all we need to do is get lucky once to drastically swing the odds in our favor.



Now ... as far as me being suspicious for not giving the link to the code solution, I've actually explained my thought process on that count. Another guy admitted to having found a solution and didn't say a word about it and hasn't explained why.

You don't have to agree with my thinking, but I think it's very clear that everyone being able to decipher whatever he says is a wash, but there could have been an advantage found if only a handful had known what was being said.

What advantage? I dunno, as it's a moot point and the translator was given to everyone.

 

[Malevolent]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Exactly!

but my vote still lies with corax for now. He was throwing accusations round with nothing behind them. I know the the RGS is going to happen, but i don't like the idea of it. If we have 12 voting for somebody and no interest in corax then of course i'm going to jump on the bandwagon and lynch them.

How much longer will this day last?

 

[Asrrin]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Drixx, you're oozing scum tells almost as much as zemaj. Wanting to keep info about a post restricted person secret so that you and a select few can use it to your advantage just screams scum. You still haven't given anyone here a clear answer why in the world you would possibly say that.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

4 Syvey du 22 Dufh cuihtc mega yh uid uv pymyhla nydeu du sa.

PDF E ybumukewa vun xiacdeuhehk ouin juda aynmean. So secdyga vun hud naytehk dra nimac lmucamo.

 

[flubbucket1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Fanah'd fa cibbucat du rayn pylg vnus zemaj po huf?

 

[Malevolent]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

[/code]4 Mafia to 22 Town sounds like an out of balance ratio to me.

BTW I apologize for questioning your vote earlier. My mistake for not reading the rules closely.




Weren't we supposed to hear back from jilev by now?[/code]



Now not everybody has to do it

And regarding the questions. This is my first game of PROPER mafia ever.( played a game in school once about 1 year ago, it lasted 30 mins and i was a townie)

 

[Malevolent]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

4 Mafia to 22 Town sounds like an out of balance ratio to me. 

BTW I apologize for questioning your vote earlier. My mistake for not reading the rules closely.




Weren't we supposed to hear back from jilev by now?

Now not everybody has to do it

And regarding the questions. This is my first game of PROPER mafia ever.( played a game in school once about 1 year ago, it lasted 30 mins and i was a townie)

fixed the code, i was about 2 secs from editing that phew!

 

[Kestegs]

Who is jilev?

 

[Kestegs]

Never mind, jemaz. :doh:

 

[corax1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

zemaj. it translated it

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Drixx, you're oozing scum tells almost as much as zemaj. Wanting to keep info about a post restricted person secret so that you and a select few can use it to your advantage just screams scum. You still haven't given anyone here a clear answer why in the world you would possibly say that.

Only the anti-town would argue against lynching. This is a mechanics question more than a role question.

I think you would agree that if only some good guys could decipher posts (and assuming the garbled speech comes with a benefit) then it would be better for only the pro-town people to be able to read those posts, right? But now since everyone can read them, the affected person cannot send a message with any hope mafi wouldn't intercept it.

 

[corax1]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

i see what drixx is saying but relying on only a handful of townies to figure out the code and no mafia seems a pretty slim chance. and then being able to use any useful information you may glean without:
a) giving up something suss is going on to the mafia, who will then go to the effort of translating it
2) looking like scum to the townies by turning up with 'random' info they don't know about.

keeping it to yourself just looks like a good way to get yourself killed to me.

 

[Kestegs]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

Only the anti-town would argue against lynching. This is a mechanics question more than a role question.

I think you would agree that if only some good guys could decipher posts (and assuming the garbled speech comes with a benefit) then it would be better for only the pro-town people to be able to read those posts, right? But now since everyone can read them, the affected person cannot send a message with any hope mafi wouldn't intercept it.

How could you ever possibly know that the people were town or mafia that could decipher it. If you want to set up your own code language and talk to people in it then go right ahead, no one is stopping you. You are also assuming that Flub is town in all of your posts. Is there some reason why he is confirmed town in your mind? Isn't it just as likely that a mafia person received a post restriction? (this is actually my first game with this mechanic, so correct me if I'm wrong) We don't even know yet if the restriction is solely bound to him or if it is an ability that he had targeted on him.

 

[Drixx]

Re: Witch Hunt: The NCIS Haloween Forum Mafia Thread

How could you ever possibly know that the people were town or mafia that could decipher it. If you want to set up your own code language and talk to people in it then go right ahead, no one is stopping you. You are also assuming that Flub is town in all of your posts. Is there some reason why he is confirmed town in your mind? Isn't it just as likely that a mafia person received a post restriction? (this is actually my first game with this mechanic, so correct me if I'm wrong) We don't even know yet if the restriction is solely bound to him or if it is an ability that he had targeted on him.

Well, let's break it down shall we?

Either the post restriction is permanent or targeted.

If it's targeted, we learn nothing by who was targeted on night one.

If it's permanent, I think it's far far far far more likely that it's a townie than a mafia. Mafia are already very limited in number ... so for an ability to "out" them seems just mean spirited. Additionally, with the requirement that each player must post at least 2 times per day cycle, this ability can never be hidden.

I think the bigger question is why the post restriction is in place.