what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
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Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
a hdin goin for the 125%fcr can benifit alot from 20% fcr right off the ammy
a hdin goin for the 125%fcr can benifit alot from 20% fcr right off the ammy
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
well, i would assume 20 fcr ammy let you use 2 soj where as 10 fcr ammy can let you use 1.
but i do see the obvious advantage of flexibility:
hoto (40)
GG uber pally circlet 2/20/ber-ber (20)
ammy (20)
arach (20)
trang/magefist (20)
ring (10)
and you have shield free for perhaps stormshield
to reach 75% block
50% dr
max fhr bp
max resist
i think... (i duno if that's what people do, but i imagine it would allow things like that. as hdin with 125/spirit has no major DR source)
well, i would assume 20 fcr ammy let you use 2 soj where as 10 fcr ammy can let you use 1.
but i do see the obvious advantage of flexibility:
hoto (40)
GG uber pally circlet 2/20/ber-ber (20)
ammy (20)
arach (20)
trang/magefist (20)
ring (10)
and you have shield free for perhaps stormshield
to reach 75% block
50% dr
max fhr bp
max resist
i think... (i duno if that's what people do, but i imagine it would allow things like that. as hdin with 125/spirit has no major DR source)
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
well, with coa and verdungo, you lose +2 skills, and beside... stormshield is 35% without socket while coa/verdungo combine for a max of 30% dr
and beside, SS cost about 10x less than coa/verdungo combo
for coa/verdungo to hit 125 fcr (which was the whole point of 20 fcr ammy in the first place)
you need:
the ammy (20)
glove (20)
1 rings (10)
hoto (40)
perfect spirit (35)
hum...
you know what... i have no idea. blah, i am happy with my pvm none-20 fcr requiring hdin
well, with coa and verdungo, you lose +2 skills, and beside... stormshield is 35% without socket while coa/verdungo combine for a max of 30% dr
and beside, SS cost about 10x less than coa/verdungo combo
for coa/verdungo to hit 125 fcr (which was the whole point of 20 fcr ammy in the first place)
you need:
the ammy (20)
glove (20)
1 rings (10)
hoto (40)
perfect spirit (35)
hum...
you know what... i have no idea. blah, i am happy with my pvm none-20 fcr requiring hdin
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
What I think is ideal in pvp
Fcr listing
Spirit 35
Amulet 20
Wizardspike 50
Trang 20
Others
Coa
Dungos/Tgods
x2 bk ring/wisp/dwarf/raven
Spurs/Waterwalks/treks/rare boots
Will give you good resist stacking,sorb, dr, and along +skill balance.
What I think is ideal in pvp
Fcr listing
Spirit 35
Amulet 20
Wizardspike 50
Trang 20
Others
Coa
Dungos/Tgods
x2 bk ring/wisp/dwarf/raven
Spurs/Waterwalks/treks/rare boots
Will give you good resist stacking,sorb, dr, and along +skill balance.
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
How is that far from ideal? Superior dr compared to normal hdin build.
What would be ideal in your opinion?
How is that far from ideal? Superior dr compared to normal hdin build.
What would be ideal in your opinion?
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
for pvp?
wizzy w/ 15@res
coa
spirit
arachi
trang <- 125fcr
enigma <- 39% dr
if you use dungo you are stuck with 20fcr ammy (usually with crappy mods, only 2 affixs available) if you want to use soj/bk/sob rings.
with arachi I can freely switch sob rings, stat/resist ammy around, you can also use godly rare 10fcr ammy (5 affix) with hoto if you want more dmg, or 30mara with wizzy for massive stack. there are just so much more options with arachi.
for pvp?
wizzy w/ 15@res
coa
spirit
arachi
trang <- 125fcr
enigma <- 39% dr
if you use dungo you are stuck with 20fcr ammy (usually with crappy mods, only 2 affixs available) if you want to use soj/bk/sob rings.
with arachi I can freely switch sob rings, stat/resist ammy around, you can also use godly rare 10fcr ammy (5 affix) with hoto if you want more dmg, or 30mara with wizzy for massive stack. there are just so much more options with arachi.
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
Arach is pretty far from the top choice as a belt on a pvp hammerdin. Even fcr rings + verdu setup is superior to it. I did some rought maths on it while ago and verdu setup came out with higher life, higher dr, same fcr, around same damage.
Crafted caster amus can be pretty insane and easily beat mara's.
For example:
2 pala
20 faster cast rate
20 mana
20 all resists
60 life
Amulet is possible.
With 20 fcr amu you can swab abs rings just like with arach, no difference there. You would lose 10 all ress and +1 skill compared to arach / mara's but gain 60 boable life, 120 non boable life, 15 dr.
You would ofcourse keep arach in stash for situations where its needed.
Found the verdu + rings numbers:
These are counted assuming you have almost perfect gear, so theyr not 100 pc accurate, doubt many people is able to afford perfect fcr rings, but if you can come up with something close to them it still beats arach setup.
Arach is pretty far from the top choice as a belt on a pvp hammerdin. Even fcr rings + verdu setup is superior to it. I did some rought maths on it while ago and verdu setup came out with higher life, higher dr, same fcr, around same damage.
Crafted caster amus can be pretty insane and easily beat mara's.
For example:
2 pala
20 faster cast rate
20 mana
20 all resists
60 life
Amulet is possible.
With 20 fcr amu you can swab abs rings just like with arach, no difference there. You would lose 10 all ress and +1 skill compared to arach / mara's but gain 60 boable life, 120 non boable life, 15 dr.
You would ofcourse keep arach in stash for situations where its needed.
Found the verdu + rings numbers:
These are counted assuming you have almost perfect gear, so theyr not 100 pc accurate, doubt many people is able to afford perfect fcr rings, but if you can come up with something close to them it still beats arach setup.
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
2 pala
20 faster cast rate
20 mana
20 all resists
60 life
possible != exist, pls note 2pally 20fcr JUNK mod ammy goes for crazy price like 20hrs.
You also count out godly 10fcr ammy which are much more common and has 2 more affix.
in a nutshell:
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dungo+20fcr ammy(most likely crappy mods)
vs
arachi + mara
11 dr 120 non-boable life
vs
1more skill, more stack resist, 3 bo levels on ALL BOABLE LIFE
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dungo+20fcr ammy
vs
arachi + godly 10fcr ammy
11 dr some non-boable life
vs
1 more skill, higher life/res due to 2more affix, option to use hoto for +3 bo and +3 hammer/conc
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Your bk ring + arachi and 10fcr rings+dungo comparison is no accurate.
First you did not count ALL boable life gained from 3 bo levels, you need to count pcomb lifers, waterwalker etc.
Second I dont build char around dex ring, if you need to swap rings you are no longer max block.
Third, you count "3x40life pc" in the dungo fomula, what is that?
2 pala
20 faster cast rate
20 mana
20 all resists
60 life
possible != exist, pls note 2pally 20fcr JUNK mod ammy goes for crazy price like 20hrs.
You also count out godly 10fcr ammy which are much more common and has 2 more affix.
in a nutshell:
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dungo+20fcr ammy(most likely crappy mods)
vs
arachi + mara
11 dr 120 non-boable life
vs
1more skill, more stack resist, 3 bo levels on ALL BOABLE LIFE
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
dungo+20fcr ammy
vs
arachi + godly 10fcr ammy
11 dr some non-boable life
vs
1 more skill, higher life/res due to 2more affix, option to use hoto for +3 bo and +3 hammer/conc
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Your bk ring + arachi and 10fcr rings+dungo comparison is no accurate.
First you did not count ALL boable life gained from 3 bo levels, you need to count pcomb lifers, waterwalker etc.
Second I dont build char around dex ring, if you need to swap rings you are no longer max block.
Third, you count "3x40life pc" in the dungo fomula, what is that?
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
The difference between level 20 and level 17 bo is small, only 9 percent and you could always prebuff bo. If you don't wanna build your char around dex from rings, thats your choice. However i can't really figure out a situation where i would have to switch for abs rings and still keept max blocks. The blocking will only go down by ~10% anyway.
3x 40 life pala combat skillers. Can't remember why i counted it with 40 lifers instead of 45 life ones.
It's 15% damage reducted, 10 fhr and 120 non-boable life at minium.
1 more skill makes next to no difference, we are talking about like 150 hammer damage. Resists aren't usually an issue on hammerdins, sure its a plus. Bo can still be prebuffed, but even without prebuffed bo, the diffrence won't be big.
Again, 15% dr, 10 fhr, 120 non-boable life, +other possible mods.
+1 skill makes next to no difference. How fair it is to count the 10 fcr amu to have "higher life/res"?
I don't understand how hoto gives +3 bo.
Imo if we are comparing them we should assume theyr both godly or both junk. Not one to be godly and the another one to be junk.
The 20 fcr pala amus are better of on mages and other chars that actually have real use for the 20 fcr. It's so easy to reach desired fcr breakpoint on a hammerdin, that 20 fcr amu is far from neccesary. On a mage its a whole different story.
The difference between level 20 and level 17 bo is small, only 9 percent and you could always prebuff bo. If you don't wanna build your char around dex from rings, thats your choice. However i can't really figure out a situation where i would have to switch for abs rings and still keept max blocks. The blocking will only go down by ~10% anyway.
3x 40 life pala combat skillers. Can't remember why i counted it with 40 lifers instead of 45 life ones.
It's 15% damage reducted, 10 fhr and 120 non-boable life at minium.
1 more skill makes next to no difference, we are talking about like 150 hammer damage. Resists aren't usually an issue on hammerdins, sure its a plus. Bo can still be prebuffed, but even without prebuffed bo, the diffrence won't be big.
Again, 15% dr, 10 fhr, 120 non-boable life, +other possible mods.
+1 skill makes next to no difference. How fair it is to count the 10 fcr amu to have "higher life/res"?
I don't understand how hoto gives +3 bo.
Imo if we are comparing them we should assume theyr both godly or both junk. Not one to be godly and the another one to be junk.
The 20 fcr pala amus are better of on mages and other chars that actually have real use for the 20 fcr. It's so easy to reach desired fcr breakpoint on a hammerdin, that 20 fcr amu is far from neccesary. On a mage its a whole different story.
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Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
coa berber + enigma = 39%dr, and dr caps at 50%
so dungo gains 11% dr.
You might want to include 65life from WW and 7-8 45 pcomb lifer/10x 20/5 into the equation, with possible +life from ammy, I am interested to see the result.
anyway I am finished with the original question.
coa berber + enigma = 39%dr, and dr caps at 50%
so dungo gains 11% dr.
You might want to include 65life from WW and 7-8 45 pcomb lifer/10x 20/5 into the equation, with possible +life from ammy, I am interested to see the result.
anyway I am finished with the original question.
Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
Didn't think of using ber ber coa, that would actually require you to put points in str. I would have gone with ber & -15/15@ jewel.
65 life ww + 360 skillers ( 8 x 45 ) + 200 scs ( 10 x 20 )
= 625
625 x 1.83 = 1144 life, that's with level 17 bo.
625 x 1.92 = 1200 life, with level 20 bo.
Like i said, the difference will not be big and you can always prebuff bo with the dungo setup and then there will be no difference in bo levels.
Didn't think of using ber ber coa, that would actually require you to put points in str. I would have gone with ber & -15/15@ jewel.
65 life ww + 360 skillers ( 8 x 45 ) + 200 scs ( 10 x 20 )
= 625
625 x 1.83 = 1144 life, that's with level 17 bo.
625 x 1.92 = 1200 life, with level 20 bo.
Like i said, the difference will not be big and you can always prebuff bo with the dungo setup and then there will be no difference in bo levels.
sweetalmonds
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Re: what kind of paladin needs 20fcr ammy
was that my ammy you saw traded?
I sold it because i found better, but what people say about getting 20fcr on ammy is true. With it you're more free with gear selection like wearing dungos, raven, wisp, wws which wil give you better survival in ffa or for duels with something like v/t you need both dr and lr/sorb.
was that my ammy you saw traded?
I sold it because i found better, but what people say about getting 20fcr on ammy is true. With it you're more free with gear selection like wearing dungos, raven, wisp, wws which wil give you better survival in ffa or for duels with something like v/t you need both dr and lr/sorb.
