Weapon for WW'er?

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Valar-Wrath

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Weapon for WW'er?

I would ask the barb forum about this but I probably wouldn't get a response and I just like you people better :)

Anyways, I want to make a pvm WW'er but not sure on the weapon. I have a 231 GF lying around but I was told it is too slow for ww :( So what exactly is the ideal weapon for a ww'er? I'm not rich but maybe I can trade in the GF and get some good hellforge runes :uhhuh:

Thanks!
 
The super uber dupers will use BOTD and beast, but I suppose you are far from getting those items. Good choices are BK set, DCs, Djinn Slayers, LS, Azures, Horizon's Tornadoes, Stormlashes. Dual wielding is much better, but if you preffer 2 handed there are acceptable options like Windhammer or Ethereal Edge.

Range is something welcome for WW, thus you may look for good 3+ range weapons. The one handed or swords (1/2 handed) weapons must reach -35 speed and 2 handed ones must reach -60 speed. Dual wielding characters will swing once each 2 frames, 2 handed or single handed will swing once each 4 frames, that is, twice as slow. As for classic, it's 1/1 in 1.10, that is, twice as fast as in 1.09. You must check base speed and the ias the weapon has. Weapons like war pikes, thunder mauls and legendary mallets are quite slow, and it's very unlikely that you will get any that can reach the needed speed unless with very low damage.

Shields can help you survive by blocking, resistances and some damage reduction, but they will reduce your killing power greatly. I don't see many reasons for using a shield for PvM. Barbarians are already weak, you don't wanna WW twice as slower still.

As for uniques, the best option are DCs: 66% deadly strike, good ias (no shaels or ias jewels needed) and good ed. Azures and Stormlashes are also quite good. My barbarians uses a DC and a cruel/eviscertion and does quite well*.

*cookie-cutter builds like blizzard sorcs, hammerdins, trapsins or javazons will always kill monsters much faster than any melee character, of course. Even the BOTD/Beast would look like a merc with no weapon near them.
 
yop

Hi,

As WW don't get any synergie, i would rather use a 2h high damage weapon for PvM.

I have had very good results in ladder S1 with a polearm WW barb using tomb reaver. This weapon only need a 15 ias jewel to reach max step, and has great PvM mods for a 2h (all res, mf).
For leveling, you can use bonehew socketed with 2 shael.

As for swords, if you cant afford botd, the best way is to try to get a good rare :)
 
How about an IK barb? Or do you just have a weapon? Shame you are on US..I'd offer you my IK stonecrusher and gloves...would be a start (if you consider a lv 76 weapon a "start" :lol: )

Bonecrusher, Steeldriver, Bloodtreestump. Windhammer...all nice twohanded choices...maybe not the fastest though...but some pack good resists and mods.
 
Hey Valar, I have a Death Cleaver, 2 BK swords, and a few IK mauls with othe rpieces of the set as well except the armor....I just dont knowif you want to make an IK barb where andrew just made one....

On aside note.....I have heard people mention the Rune word Kinsgslayer...would thi sbe a viable option? The only really hard rune is gul, and I am sure valar and I can come up with 1 , especially since he has like 2-3 hell hellforges for chars that he may get one in....But would this be a viable option? I cant remember the sword that people said to put it in? Was it a highland blade?
 
weedkilz said:
On aside note.....I have heard people mention the Rune word Kinsgslayer...would thi sbe a viable option? The only really hard rune is gul, and I am sure valar and I can come up with 1 , especially since he has like 2-3 hell hellforges for chars that he may get one in....But would this be a viable option? I cant remember the sword that people said to put it in? Was it a highland blade?
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Yup, Highland Blade is best option for Kingslayer WW barb because it reaches the -35 breakpoint.
 
Liessa Wyrmbane said:
Yup, Highland Blade is best option for Kingslayer WW barb because it reaches the -35 breakpoint.
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Would this be a better choice than the ones mentioned above? BOTD is definately out of the question, but anything else should be attainable....
 
Yes, DC is death cleaver.

Turbilion and det, I have seen many 2 handed WW barbarian and I can assure you none kill even close to one using death cleavers. This includes High rune words and indeed the IK set. Also by hitting twice as much crushing blow works nicely. The only issue such barbarians have is facing multi-enchant scarabs. By hitting many times and because of a bug that sometimes adds elemental and physical damage to the bolts it is very possible that you die in a single WW. It's similar to the old MSLE bosses.

As a matter of numbers, one would need twice as much average damage on the 2 handed weapon to deal the same damage in average. Most 2 handed weapons don't have such damage. Others, like swords and (pretty much) poles have sick requirements, wich is an important issue for hardcore players. tomb reaver is indeed a great option for WW, but most 2 hnde weapons re not as good. Still, weapons with high deadly strike % like DC or upped coldsteel will end up dealing more damage and will allow you to drop deadly strike items like goreriders or Highlord's. This could mean more resistances, leech or/and extra skills.

As for swords, I don't think a good rare would be the best way, if you don't go for BOTD. Azure, for example, has good speed and elemental damage, and the aura will mean a lot of damage against demons. With LoH as gloves you will deal significant damage to demons and undead, that is, most monsters. Also, as they already have enough speed you can add all ed jewels, getting even better damage. One could die before getting a good rare sword like 450%ed fool's ones. However, if you already have such a weapon, by all means go for it.

However, the main advantage of dual wielding is the crushing blow. By hitting many times all monsters that won't die in one or two hits will have their like reduced greatly after a successful WW. Killing large packs of high monsters like Lister and minions or act 5 blunderbores will be much easier.
 
Well I know DC is great, but the low durability on axes is a shame too me. And anyway it is not that DC > 2h weapons, but they are few weapons, 1h or 2h which are efficient with WW, including DC.

WW barbs are maybe the most difficult to build in term of balance, and most people with uber gear you are talking about do not really study their build, they just get kick *** stuff and put them in the same char.

My reaver barb were surpisingly efficient (as efficient as my beast frenzy), and the full stuff didnt cost me more than ~4 Ists.
And that barb had something like 17x mf.

Issue with 2h weapon is that it only worth if you can get max hits/WW.

So few choices :
Tomb reaver IAS sock (gr8 mods)
Bonehew IAS socks (crap mods)
Eth Yari up IAS socks (CB)
IK Maul IAS socks (but low base physical dmg)

Note that you got a better range that 1h weapons.

Other set/uniques weapons are pretty weak for WW (or i may have forgotten some).

For swords, i got a rare 300 ed 40 IAS + ml + ar, it is great. Azure is nice, but base physical dmg is too low.
 
By the way, isn't Grandfather itself still a decent WW sword? I used one with ed/ias jewel back in 1.09 and despite it's slower speed it was still a great sword. I would imagine that with enough outside Deadly/Critical Strike (Highlord + Gores + mastery) and Crushing Blow (Gores + Duress) it would still be ok. Any comments?
 
hmm

You have not the max hits/WW (4 instead of 6)

As it is still not that bad because of high dmg, i find WW fun to play only with the max hits :)

It may be efficient through but never tried.
 
hmm

thundermaul = base speed 20

with 40 IAS from steeldriver and a shael, you reach -40 and -60 is needed, so no max hits/WW.

By the way range is only 2 i think, so kinda sucks.

Headstriker is interesting, but you dont reach the -40 required for sword even with a shael, and btw the elite version will require much dex.
 
Is there a type of ax that would reach the final ias break point with kingslayer? If so, would you be able to use a DC on 1 hand and a Kingslayer on the other? It would save having 1 ax and 1 sword...but not sure the speeds and ranges on ax's....Maybe an azurewrath and a kingslayer.....hmmm...so hard to make a good ww baba
 
Yeah, i have an IK barb and he works great. havent been playing him much and i doubt i will.... since i just bought WoW yesterday. :yep: (still in flordia though so i cant play it :rant: ) but if you wanna make one its a good idea. hes got a decent amout of mf, tons of life, def. and dmg.

but wait you cant make, i already got one! Muhahahahah! :cheesy: :drool:
 
Well IK set was one of my last choices if there wasn't a better weapon I could get ahold of b/c I have the weapon and I could get all the other pieces for sure. The Death Cleaver sounds nice as does the KingSlayer Runeword although I don't see too many AMAZING mods on it to make me want to use a gul on it. (Remember I'm pretty poor :) )
 
IK set is good for PVm ww baba, u get easily 5k ww, what is pretty nicew after all. Maul is too slow to never reach the last ww bp, not even with 2*shael runes. Defence in IK set decent, you get easily max resist, and extra mf never hurts.

Bonehew is also very cheap weapon, and it reach last WW bp with 2*15ias jewel. damage isn't too great, but i am sure that it is enogh in PvM. My ww baba use DC/SS and can solo hell alone, slowly, but surely!

-W.t.g
 
The best WW weapon would be an ethereal Tomb Reaver with a Zod, 40/15 max, and a 40/15 IAS, but as far as reality goes I would go with an ethereal upgraded Hone Sundan or Kingslayer Highland.

Lucky
 
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