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insane_knights

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WARNING EVERYONE please read

Theres this new *** scam thing. They tell you to vote for a clan and you get free stuff. When you download the file it opens up and your computer starts going wack. It opens up your invent and your mouse moves left and right randomly clicking, sometimes clicking on your items and dragging and dropping them on the ground. Watch out. Even if you quit d2, the program is still running and its nearly impossible to turn off unless you turn off your computer.

The name of the sight is something like

Link Removed by DOC

Watch out
 
you downloaded an unknown program?
not such a good idea, to start with.
and then you ran it?!?!

and people wonder why they get virus, worms, and trojans.
 
I think you could favourably change your people magazines for some Greek mythology books... Especially the Trojan Horse chapter would be very instructive to you :innocent:...
 
Yeah this scam is darn old. I fell for it too in my early noobie days. I went into this game called free sojs. the ppl inside were spamming a website which promises free sojs if u dl and open a file. I tried the file (freaking noob i was), went into a private game and immediately my mouse went wacko. I dropped all the items on my body and started running til i got stuck at one end. Had to reboot cos the mouse was gone. Lost a freakng arreat it was big at that time.

Never trust downloads.
 
just to clarify a bit...

I was hangin out cowing with a random guy for a couple hours, when I asked him about what certain bosses can/cannot drop. he "kindly" directed me to a website that had a file that apparently held the stats...and guess what? same thing happened to me. I was lucky enough to open the file in a chat room (europe), but I saw the click moving around right where my armor/helm/booties would be if a game were open. I too would have lost my gear, but it was just another lesson in diabloland not to trust anyone until you've played with them like 400 hours.

I guess this file can take on many guises, and although I was as dumb as insane_knights to download this hack, it just hits home how much you need to watch your back.

The saddest part about all this is visualizing the loser who made this hack, some pimply loser in his parents' basement working on a video game hack for hours at a time, over months and months in between masturbation sessions. pfff
 
@tarzanell: Actually, most hacks are simply made as a hobby.. Just to see if it can be done. I have no problem with people writing hacks like this because I can confidently say that it will NEVER affect me.

In all my years of playing this game, I have never, ever seen a trojen that would affect me. Even if I was naive enough to download it... Then again, I run diablo under wine on and LFS linux system that I built (compiled) myself from the kernel up.

You have to think of it this way.. hacks/virii/trojens like this work because .... well ... there's a sucker born every minute.
 
viva linux papa, I bet you've never had a problem with viruses since you built it up :worship:

I guess it comes down to the same problem people have everywhere: if it doesn't affect you, it's not a problem. There's a guy over on the bnet forums that's causing a fuss cause another guy is auctioning off some wizardspike gloves. The argument got so heated because it was a case of people feeling they would be affected, or others letting people do what they want. Sheeit, it's the age-old argument that even today, was the cause of the incumbent president serving a second term (with the whole same-sex marriage/abortion vote taking place simultaneously with electoral voting).

I'm a pretty liberal guy, I too have no problem with people writing such hacks...as long as it doesn't cause problems with anyone else. A program like this was created with the SOLE purpose of messing with others, so imo it sucks big big ballsacks. Simply put, taking advantage of people because you can is the reason everyone has their guard up these days, and is the reason fear of the unknown takes such a precedent worldwide.
 
I do kind of agree with what you're saying .. but I guess I'm just kind of cynical and hardened after years and years of working in a technical support enviornment.

it's not really that "I don't care cause it dosen't affect me" it's more the fact that if people understood the tool they're working with the problem woulden't exist. If someone understands what can/can't be done to them via a program that they download, or even if they understood what a download was, if they understood the difference between downloading/saving a file and executing a file. If they did proper maintence and upkeep on their machines etc. etc. etc. The problem woulden't exist.

The problem is people get a computer fully configured, they know nothing about it or how it works and they treat it as if it were a video game console. I'm not suggesting that everyone that owns a computer know the inner workings of how every little thing functions, but a little more than general knowledge and use should be manditory. Very serious things can happen to unprotected computers, someone who hacks it can use it as a jump point to do more serious things than make you drop items in diablo. What if someone simply trojened a proxy in one of these 'innocent' downloads. you execute the program .. don't notice anything at all, but all of a sudden you're running an anonymous proxy server on some obscure port. From then on I can hit your machine before attacking any commercial sites, or commiting credit card fraud etc. .. if they trace it back .. it gets traced to you and no further.

Regardless of how many games can be played on them .. computers are not toys .. and people who know nothing about them or how they function have no one but themselves to blame when something bad happens .. whether that something 'bad' is items dropping in D2, or the police knocking on their door because an alarming amount of kiddie porn has been traced back to their computer's IP address.
 
Rule number 1 with computers.....
DON'T DOWNLOAD FROM UNKNOWN SOURCE

This applies to emails, websites, anything... how can anyone be so naive?

Rule number 2
Use Anti Virus and Firewalls.... scan newly downloaded files.... and be aware that they are not 100% bulletproof and only help

Rule number 3
When surfing porn... turn off Java Scripting and Active X.... :)

These 3 rules and Zone Alarm firewall have kept me safe for a long time... rule #1 being the most important!
 
GovernerOfCali said:
Rule number 1 with computers.....
DON'T DOWNLOAD FROM UNKNOWN SOURCE

This applies to emails, websites, anything... how can anyone be so naive?

Rule number 2
Use Anti Virus and Firewalls.... scan newly downloaded files.... and be aware that they are not 100% bulletproof and only help

Rule number 3
When surfing porn... turn off Java Scripting and Active X.... :)

These 3 rules and Zone Alarm firewall have kept me safe for a long time... rule #1 being the most important!
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Add PestControl from Computer Associates and you will never have to worry about a leaky browser ever again, you can then go back to surfing with JavaScript and ActiveX controls on. Mind you, you should tweak the Internet Zone security settings so that ActiveX controls cannot simply be installed or do anything directly to your machine without at least requesting your permission first.

25 Years of being Virus/Worm/Trojan free, never once have any of my machines been infected.
 
squigipapa said:
In all my years of playing this game, I have never, ever seen a trojen that would affect me. Even if I was naive enough to download it... Then again, I run diablo under wine on and LFS linux system that I built (compiled) myself from the kernel up.
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squigi, I'm a linux user too, but I still boot into Windows to play games because my PC doesn't have the juice to run D2 smoothly under Wine. Since the trojan insane and tarzanell are talking about is a pretty simple mouse movement script, wouldn't this "feature" also be emulated whether you like it or not?
 
Squigi: Don't worry, I feel the hardened cynical vibe every day, nice to see a kindred spirit :thumbsup: .

I think the important aspect to keep in mind is the big picture: I don't believe these hacks would've taken off if people like insane and I were less lazy and either searched on google or something for a drop stats page (in my case) or just tried not to take shortcuts (insane's case). And I bet keeping to Cali's and Krollin's rules would keep us pretty safe. To be fair, what is the percentage of people that run linux who know nothing about programming? compared to windows users, my guess is next to nothing. Although in terms of occupation, I have very little to do with programming in the technical sense of the word; nonetheless, I got off my ***, did some research, and assembled my own pc from scratch a year ago. Although I've paid the price for bonehead moves like downloading from an unknown source, I consider myself one the more knowledgable "windows using idiots," if you know what I mean. Which probably means there are plenty of 13 year olds who have wrecked daddy's hard drive cause they couldn't find a soj or a zod or whatever. :uhhuh:

I totally agree, computers are not toys outside the executed game. But as much as I hate the saying "it takes 2 to tango," or whatever, it applies pretty well here. Programs without benefit to anyone are like phuckin flies: pointless imo. I'm gonna have to keep standing by my original point too: if it unwarrantedly interferes with someone else in the physical sense (I'm keeping morals out of this), it should be taken out of the picture.

Sorry if this reply is disjointed, just got back from work and I'm feelin the grogginess.
 
Taft12 said:
Since the trojan insane and tarzanell are talking about is a pretty simple mouse movement script, wouldn't this "feature" also be emulated whether you like it or not?
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Probably not. If you were running D2 under some sort of 'complete' windows virtual machine like VMWare then chances are you'd be open to the same sort of security risks as windows itself. However, these 'item dropping' trojen's seem to confine themselfs to the diablo2 program itself. Meaning that if I double click the program while not running diablo, my mouse woulden't randomly start clicking all around my desktop. So, when you click it within windows it would have to do some sort of check to look for diablo 2, this sort of check would 'execute' certian specific calls within the windows operating system, such calls probably woulden't work under wine. When you run D2 under wine, think of it as a mini windows OS that runs nothing but the program I've started with the wine command. If I were to start another program under wine, a program designed to work in conjunction with d2 on windows it would also be running in it's own 'mini windows' OS, an OS which dosen't contain d2 therefore it fails. Maphack for example dosen't work on linux under wine. Maphack simply can't find the d2 process that it requires to work. I would assume that any common trojen would work the same way.

Obviously I'm not suggesting everyone start running d2 under wine.. It would be insane to expect that joe sixpack who's main computer interests are playing D2 and surfing porn would learn the correct compile options for optiomal wine performance. There's always a trade off between security and usablity. The ultimate security is a computer which is locked in a room and powered off... but that isen't useable is it. Linux or any of the unix variants are more secure than their windows counterparts, however, an avrage user that can point and click their way to a default, useable windows install might have a bit harder time doing the same with linux. They may get it installed, because the latest linux installs have come a long way... but I'd be willing to bet that setting up a traditionally 'windows only' game would be quite a different story.

So I guess the point is People will keep on getting burned, and even though it may be annoying to keep seeing posts like this popping up all the time (Seriously no offence to the original poster) ... posts like this are actually part of the solution. The original poster started this discussion, throughout the discussion he has learned the do's and dont's of unauthorized 3rd party programs.. and next time around he'll most likely not end up getting burned. He has made a mistake, he's put time and effort into posting the mistake he made, He's done the research.

He has furthered his knowledge of computers, kudos to him for doing so. Really he has done what I truely wish evey other d2 player in the world would do. If they all did, these programs would dissappear.

BTW Tar, doodie.com rocks.. :)
 
squigipapa said:
I do kind of agree with what you're saying .. but I guess I'm just kind of cynical and hardened after years and years of working in a technical support enviornment.

it's not really that "I don't care cause it dosen't affect me" it's more the fact that if people understood the tool they're working with the problem woulden't exist. If someone understands what can/can't be done to them via a program that they download, or even if they understood what a download was, if they understood the difference between downloading/saving a file and executing a file. If they did proper maintence and upkeep on their machines etc. etc. etc. The problem woulden't exist.

The problem is people get a computer fully configured, they know nothing about it or how it works and they treat it as if it were a video game console. I'm not suggesting that everyone that owns a computer know the inner workings of how every little thing functions, but a little more than general knowledge and use should be manditory. Very serious things can happen to unprotected computers, someone who hacks it can use it as a jump point to do more serious things than make you drop items in diablo. What if someone simply trojened a proxy in one of these 'innocent' downloads. you execute the program .. don't notice anything at all, but all of a sudden you're running an anonymous proxy server on some obscure port. From then on I can hit your machine before attacking any commercial sites, or commiting credit card fraud etc. .. if they trace it back .. it gets traced to you and no further.

Regardless of how many games can be played on them .. computers are not toys .. and people who know nothing about them or how they function have no one but themselves to blame when something bad happens .. whether that something 'bad' is items dropping in D2, or the police knocking on their door because an alarming amount of kiddie porn has been traced back to their computer's IP address.
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I do agree a lot with you squigipapa. But still, I don't think the customers are the only ones to blame. Look at the advertisements on TV, magazines, posters...). What do you hear/read ? "Simply click on your mouse and enjoy the surfing on Internet"... LIES LIES LIES :rant:. I'm an engineer in computer sciences and these lies make me sick. Using a computer ISN'T that easy. It's all a commercial argument to make the sales grow... In order to surf/email/play/whatever, you have to configure, install drivers/patches, know how to use the programs and what you can/can't do with them... I do understand why the vast majority of people has problems with the computers. As you said, a computer isn't a video game console... But now I have to admit it's a bit of everyone's fault too : when we buy a new toaster, how many among us will spend time reading conscientiously the instructions ?... :innocent:...
 
its Link Removed by DOC and I know cuz the sorc tried it on me she opened up a 2 player game so just me nad her and shes like wanna join clan Im like ya. shes like ok open this site. You can tell from the site they are executable files so I just left the site and left the game and it was on West non ladder
 
Just as an fyi on virus progs,check out NOD32.Very small memory footprint and is highest rated by www.virusbtn.com .It should be ok to post that link as its just a testing website.
 
To anyone who has downloaded or ever will ever download something like that, you are what the french would call les stupid.
 
I love these games. I enter them, download their files, and waste the scammer's time trying to get them to help me run it. After about 10-15 minutes of going through all sorts of "imma noob, help me run program" nonsense, I'll drop in a key detail: "o...u mean it doesn't work on Mac?" :lol:
 
insane_knights said:
Theres this new *** scam thing. They tell you to vote for a clan and you get free stuff. When you download the file it opens up and your computer starts going wack. It opens up your invent and your mouse moves left and right randomly clicking, sometimes clicking on your items and dragging and dropping them on the ground. Watch out. Even if you quit d2, the program is still running and its nearly impossible to turn off unless you turn off your computer.

The name of the sight is something like

Link Removed by DOC

Watch out
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That is pretty crappy though - coz when u do join most clans, a lot of the time you would recieve help.. its a shame that ppl make this sort of crap up.

I agree with the above poster, the loosers that make these programs cant get laid and the other way they can get a root is to F$%K with our time.

Why did the the forums remove the link? shouldnt it be there so ppl know not to visit the site?

....

How do u turn off active X and Java?
 
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