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Theio Vrefos

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Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

So, i was trying out different builds for a trapper/kicker in single player. I decided to hit the 102 fcr and 52 ias breakpoints. My equipment looks like this:

  • HotO
  • Enigma
  • Spirit
  • Shako + 15 IAS, 15 resists jewel
  • Highlord's Wrath
  • Arachnid Mesh
  • Bul-Kathos Wedding Band
  • Rare fcr ring
  • Crafted crushing blow gloves with IAS and martial arts
  • Upgraded Gore Riders

I went for max block (needs a crazy investment in dex, 303 to be exact) and fade. She couldn't die between over 40% damage reduction, max block and maxed resists, although she had ~2.500 life after battle orders. It seemed like a good choice, since assassins have only 5 frames block, which is among the best rates without any faster block rate.

I tried crafted crushing blow gloves and upped gore riders, but i wasn't impressed at all with dragon talon. I could kill mephisto in seconds, but baal took too long at players 3 or 4 setting, don't remember right now. I was satisfied by her traps, ~9300 lightning sentry max damage.

So, any ideas? It seems that 25% crushing blow ain't gonna cut it, she needs something more effective.
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

102 FCR will help a pvp kicker, but SP, that's way unnecessary. 65 fcr suffices as a max.

SP or MP, that hoto's got to gogo. Even with gloves and gores, it's still low CB. Either the helm, or the weapon needs CB. If weapon, SL or something would work way better than a hoto.

If your weapon has the CB, Shako's probably not too bad actually.

The reason your block needs so much dex is because of spirit ;) Also unneeded. Keep as a swap for BO, but main melee needs a SS at least (FAR less dex for you :) ) Eld, Sol, or w.e here.

Highlords does nothing for you except the insane IAS a flail would need. An ammy with 2 sin and stats + res works better than a highlord.

I also see a lack of CBF. A raven for the BK.

gloves could be a drac, or trangs, depending on how boss heavy. Probably a dracs (leech covered, gives higher OW, etc)

AT least the boots are awesome ^-^;;

With the CB you had now, that's no real surprise tbh. And I think CB applies the health steal based on a P1 game and doesn't scale, or that was DS...I can't remember now.

Overall, the list you gave was certainly a caster type. other than the upped gores, you had very little to do with kicking at all. 9K is almost pvp worthy :p With the more melee set-up, traps wil go down some, but kicks will work out better ;)
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

Aha ^^
I'll try a different set-up and get back! What weapon would you suggest?
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

for PvP or PvM?

PvP: an Um'd fleshripper, Um'd d-web, Fury phase/runics, weird rare wand with 2sox, 40ias, 20fcr and charges of lower res (good luck on this one).

PvM: Stormlash (#1 k/t'sin wep), Strength in a greater talon with a nice lit-sentry staffmod.

HotO is an aweful kicker weapon.
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

PvM of course. HotO is an awesome caster weapon though and this is a hybrid.
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

Sass said:
Precisely why you need a much better weapon.
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The question remains though. What would be a good hybrid weapon?

//edit: used a last wish and changed gear a bit. Wasn't bad.


 
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Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

precisely what meph said. i doubt i can put it any better way anyway :p
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

mephiztophelez said:
i already told you: Stormlash.



except for the total lack of IAS and the fact it doesn't have a CtC Static mod........


srsly, gogo Stormlash.
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Alright, did some calculations. I now use:

  • 2/20 circlet with 2*15 IAS jewels.
  • phase blade Last Wish
  • 2 martial / 20 IAS crushing blow gloves
  • fcr ring
  • raven ring
  • enigma
  • arach
  • stormshield
  • 2 assassin/15+ fcr amulet
  • shadowdancers or upped gores
  • Anni, torch, trap skillers

Basically, the point is to reach the 7/2 breakpoint. EIAS = (120*ias)/(120+ias) + WS + SIAS according to various sites.

With my setup:

  • Last wish: (120*50)/(120+50) + 30 ~= 65, so a 7/3 dragon talon. A ias jewel in my stormshield will even get a 7/2 kicking speed.
  • stormlash: -assuming shael'ed and draculs- (120*80)/(120+80) + 10 ~= 58 (8/3) and even with the ias jewel in stormshield it gets to 65 (7/3).

Bottom line, last wish's missing ias is basically a myth. Thus the main point is:

  • ctc static + ~33-48 crushing blow or
  • ~71-95 crushing blow

Thanks for the help btw!

:D


 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

The break point is 7/3.

Last wish IS missing IAS. What helps it is that it can be made in a PB (46 IAS for 7/3).

the static works in concert with CB, and in a radius. It drops them faster, and in a AoE style. Add DS, you've just killed the entire screen in no time.
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

Sass said:
The break point is 7/3.

Last wish IS missing IAS. What helps it is that it can be made in a PB (46 IAS for 7/3).

the static works in concert with CB, and in a radius. It drops them faster, and in a AoE style. Add DS, you've just killed the entire screen in no time.
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Where did i say that last wish has IAS :S It's just easier to reach the breakpoints. Moreover the last breakpoint is 7/2, easily attainable with last wish, despite having no IAS.

I'm still torn. I did baal runs at players 5 with both setups. Baal was tough and required around 2 minutes with both setups. The only problem i faced was lister spawning lightning immune and using stormlash, that wasn't easy.

If i had to do this on ladder, i'd probably choose stormlash + draculs, as they are much cheaper to acquire than crafted martial gloves and last wish.

However, i had another idea - what about using claws? IAS would surely help hitting the breakpoints and i could make chaos in one and benefit from whirlwind.


 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

Bottom line, last wish's missing ias is basically a myth
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I pointed out that this "myth" is true. Never heard that it was a myth.

You didn't, nor did I say LW has IAS.


7/3 is the fastest dragon talon goes.



If c/c, the main should be a "strength" runeword. WW is highly not recommended for pvm. Repairs alone are bad, and damage stinks. :(
 
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Sass said:
I pointed out that this "myth" is true. Never heard that it was a myth.

You didn't, nor did I say LW has IAS.
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Oh, i understood now, let me rephrase: last wish's lack of IAS doesn't matter, because phase blade's WSM makes up for it.

Sass said:
7/3 is the fastest dragon talon goes.
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Are you sure? Because here says otherwise. I'm not sure myself.

Sass said:
If c/c, the main should be a "strength" runeword. WW is highly not recommended for pvm. Repairs alone are bad, and damage stinks. :(
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Aha, then i'll stick to one of those two setups, thanks.


 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

;) Trust this site over any other, even arreat summit.
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

Theio Vrefos said:
Bottom line, last wish's missing ias is basically a myth.
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no, it isn't a myth. it's right there on the runewords description: nowhere does it say +xXx% IAS.

now, yes, by making it in a phase blade, you "only" need another 46% IAS to hit the 7/3 d-talon speed (7/2 doesn't exist regardless of what you might think).

now, here's something for you to ponder: why is it that all the acknowledged assassin masters (ilkori, w1zAd3pt and, not to put too fine a point on it, me, among others) on these forums reccomend a Stormlash over a LW?

Stormlash has decent speed, nice CB and most importantly: CtC static.

CtC static is the single most useful mod you can get on a kick'sin. it knocks the tops off all non-lit-immune monsters lifebars and let's the old death sentry howitzer get cracking that much faster.

it's even more noticeable in larger games where static scales while CE doesn't.

CtC static is only available from two places: Stormlash and the Crescent Moon runeword.



 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

I think that you skipped some posts there mephiztophelez. We got past both "7/2" and "myth" issues.

Now, despite what "assassin masters" suggest, i tested both setups myself and i found them to be pretty equal. I'm not saying that stormlash is worse, it just doesn't kill quickly when bad guys have low life, when last wish has more damage. For baal runs, my time was pretty equal.

I'm leaning towards stormlash, because of the cost. Last wish requires too many high runes.
 
Re: Trapper/Kicker Assassin Help

Low life would be the same anyway =/

SL gets them lower, faster, and works on more things.
 
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