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Trang Oul's Bard... take a break from cookie cutter builds

I was just muling some stuff around and had a pretty crazy idea for a singer Barb build. It definitely wouldn't be the strongest character you've ever seen, but it could be fun if you want to try something different.

Basically, what we're doing here is taking advantage of the Fire skills you get from the Trang Oul set, and using Warcry to hold monsters in place while you roast them with Fire Walls and rain Meteors down on their heads.

With 4 pieces from the Trang Oul set (since you can't use the shield), you get +18 To Fire Ball, +13 To Fire Wall, and +10 To Meteor. Not skills that you typically see a Barbarian using. The synergies don't work, though, and you can't complete the set (which doubles all of these bonuses and gives +3 to Fire Mastery), so your damage isn't going to be huge, and you'll need something to compensate. Hence Warcry. You don't need to do a ton of damage per second if nothing can even move.

By the way, I've never built a Singer before, so I'm not sure about this, but does Warcry stun Champions, SuperUniques, and Bosses? If not, then does Stun? If that's the case, you might want to max Stun as well.

If I do get around to trying this out, and cost weren't an issue, I'd probably go with:
Trang's set (4 pieces)
2x Hoto (Wizardspike could also work, but you would need all the +skills you can get to hope to do damage with your fire skills)
2x SOJ
Metalgrid (so I could make an Insight Iron Golem, and put an Infinity on my merc)
Aldur's boots (for frw and fire resist)
Torch
Anni
assorted charms to cover your other needs

So there you go. Don't expect to be able to do Ubers with this build, or even get terribly far into Hell difficulty. (Or even finish Nightmare, for that matter.) But it could be kind of funny to run around with a skull-faced Barbarian, singing lullabies and then slow roasting your enemies as they sleep.
 
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Nice crazy idea :). I love crazy builds. One thing i would say is i'm not sure an iron golem from metalgrid follows u from game to game. Meaning u would need a new insight everygame (not 100% on this but something in my head seems to remember this fact)
 
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Hmm. Good point. I guess I'll have to try it out with something cheap from Charsi before wasting an Insight.
 
Re: Trang Oul's Bard... take a break from cookie cutter builds

IG goes away. too bad about not having mastery, it'd make it worth playing really. let us know how much damage you wind up doing.
 
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Well, with +11 to all skills (going with Mara's instead of Metalgrid, then +9 from dual Hotos, dual Soj's, and an anni) I'd have--according to the first D2 skill planner that Google popped up--

Fireball (level 29): 345-381
Firewall (level 24): 1678-1702 damage per second
Meteor (level 21): 948-1008, then 264-288 per second

Seeing as how monsters would be paralyzed inside the Fire Wall, that's actually pretty decent damage for not having Fire Mastery.

Add on a B Torch, and I'd be doing 1288-1334 damage with a level 34, fully synergized Warcry. But without an Inisight IG, mana would be an issue if you managed to get an Infinity merc.

Another thought on gear, for trying to break immunities, would be to put a Hand of Justice sword and Phoenix shield (or weapon) on switch. HoJ gives -20% and Phoenix gives -28% to enemy fire resistance. Put fire facets into Trang's helm and armor, and you could get up to -66% to fire resistance altogether (that's with dual Phoenix and perfect -resists on the facets).
 
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Warcry stuns everything except Act Bosses, I think thats the only exception. Haven't played Singer in a while though ;)

I think even with all that -fire res your damage will still be insufficient, but I like the idea haha. Its new.

KT
 
Re: Trang Oul's Bard... take a break from cookie cutter builds

Warcry stuns everything except Act Bosses, I think thats the only exception. Haven't played Singer in a while though ;)

Do you know if Stun works on Act Bosses?

I think even with all that -fire res your damage will still be insufficient, but I like the idea haha. Its new.

KT

Yeah, this build is basically just to have some fun doing something outside of the box. I'd be extremely satisfied if he could even beat Nightmare difficulty.

But then again, the build revolves entirely around the gear, so even if he doesn't do well in Hell, I could always convert him to a traditional Singer, which I've never tried anyway.


 
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no skill or item can stun act bosses. i think nithwack is also stun proof.
 
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yup. just tried it. Stun does not work on act bosses

Never tried the Stun skill, Warcry is far better ^^ I might try it with my Beast though on single enemies as an alternative to zerk.

Anyway I have a Singer, recently built and for bosses he just switches to a beast BA and zerks it to death.

Interesting fact: Warcry works even on hell ancients ^^

Anyway I like the idea, I just don't think it'd work past nightmare and I have a feeling you'd be hard pushed in nightmare as well.



 
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Well it looks like this guy was able to beat Hell difficulty with his Trang singer. Of course, that was back in 2003, so I wonder if it would still be possible to do that in 1.12.

I'm gonna give this a shot. I've been pretty busy lately, so it'll be a few days before I can try it out, but I have all the gear, and I should be able to get a new Barb rushed to hell and then Uber-levelled to 80 or so within a week. If it does work at high levels, then I'll try to figure out a way to make it work starting from scratch.

I'll keep you guys posted.
 
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I think you should go for it. 1.09 is when things were easy. 1.10, and on, are about the same difficulty-wise.
 
Re: Trang Oul's Bard... take a break from cookie cutter builds

If you can afford dropping insight, you might as well go super-slow on the merc, that'd be just as good as stunning ;) Grab a black horns/kelpie and suck them foos down to the ground.

Best of luck.

KT
 
Re: Trang Oul's Bard... take a break from cookie cutter builds

Just an update -

My new singer, LEEROYYYJENKINS, has been rushed to nightmare difficulty, so in a couple more days I should have him in Hell and levelled up to 80. I'll let you all know how he's doing.
 
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Hows it going so far, any news?
 
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Sorry, I've been really busy lately and haven't even been able to finish building the Barb yet. But I hate to disappoint, so I'll try to get back on track soon!

I have managed to socket Trang's helm and armor with perfect Fire Facets though (one level, one die)...

I should have him up and running in a few days... wait; looks like I already said that a week ago. But this time I mean it.


EDIT: LeeroyyyJenkins has been rushed to Hell Act 5. Just need to level him up and I'll hopefully have good things to report in a couple days. (I've put together a decent set of backup gear in case the Trang idea doesn't work, but let's hope that it does!)
 
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Another thought on gear, for trying to break immunities, would be to put a Hand of Justice sword and Phoenix shield (or weapon) on switch. HoJ gives -20% and Phoenix gives -28% to enemy fire resistance. Put fire facets into Trang's helm and armor, and you could get up to -66% to fire resistance altogether (that's with dual Phoenix and perfect -resists on the facets).

Just to clarify. -% enemy resist will not help you break immunes, it will only help you do more damage vs non-immunes (or already broken immunes).

The only things that can break immunity are Conviction and Lower Resist, which function at 1/5 effectiveness when doing so. You may want a Lower Resist wand (up to lvl3 charges are possible) on switch for that.


 
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The only things that can break immunity are Conviction and Lower Resist, which function at 1/5 effectiveness when doing so. You may want a Lower Resist wand (up to lvl3 charges are possible) on switch for that.

:doh: I knew that. Must have slipped my mind when I posted.


 
Re: Trang Oul's Bard... take a break from cookie cutter builds

Well, my Trang Barb is now up to level 80 and has finished all the quests in all difficulties. (I should mention that I had him rushed and powerleveled, so I can't say that he's been able to do all of the quests on his own.) He's not exactly a powerhouse, but he's a lot of fun to play in NM Cows.

I haven't really tried playing him in a ton of areas yet, so I haven't thoroughly evaluated his strengths and weaknesses. His warcries are certainly much more powerful than the fire spells, mainly due to the casting delay. In NM, it's really handy to be able to use Firewall, Meteor, and Fireball since Warcry has such a small radius. But other than the benefit of increased range, you don't gain a huge advantage from the fire skills, since at close range Battlecry + Warcry are much more effective.

On the plus side, Trang's set gives good FCR bonuses, good resists, CBF from the belt, increased mana regeneration, a ton of FRW, and it just looks extremely cool.

From the picture, you'll notice that I'm using an Infinity Scythe on my weapon switch (I have 2 Spirit swords on my main, for huge bonuses to FCR, FHR, mana, and skills). The Conviction aura doesn't give enough of a help to my fire skills in Hell difficulty--they just don't do enough damage--but it helps out my merc's attack rating, and I'm finding that the Crushing Blow is extremely useful for Boss fights. I have 1 point in Berserk, 1 point in Polearm Mastery, and maxed Battlecry, so that gives me enough AR, and especially enough -enemy defense that I can consistently hit the bosses and get in a lot of Crushing Blows. Then I switch to Warcry when their health gets low.


SO, the final verdict for a Trang Barb:

Lots of fun to play in easier areas and NM difficulty, as well as picking up tons of style points (especially when wielding a scythe), but the fire skills aren't strong enough to be very useful in Hell, even with an Infinity scythe and two perfect Fire facets.

Playing around with one of these guys can be fun, but for serious play you're much better off with a regular Singer. The good news is, building a Trang Barb is exactly the same as building a Singer; the only difference is the gear you're wearing. So even though the Trang barb isn't that powerful, I'm still left with a pretty good Warcry Barb at the end of the day.
 
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